Transfer names we're actually looking at.......

[mushroomgod_1]

Watching here and on the other forums, the names I've actually seen mentioned with IU are Tamar Bates, Josh Nickleberry, Miller Kopp, and Kyle Mangas. And, possibly, Adam Miller. Frankly, not a very exciting list to this point. I've also seen Jabari Smith's name thrown about, but that seems very doubtful.

Anybody else hearing or seeing about others we are actually communicating with (v. those we 'should/could' look at)?

 

[CC Mac]

Watching here and on the other forums, the names I've actually seen mentioned with IU are Tamar Bates, Josh Nickleberry, Miller Kopp, and Kyle Mangas. And, possibly, Adam Miller. Frankly, not a very exciting list to this point. I've also seen Jabari Smith's name thrown about, but that seems very doubtful.

Anybody else hearing or seeing about others we are actually communicating with (v. those we 'should/could' look at)?

You would imagine these kids are gonna have to make a choice soon,hopefully the staff has a surprise or two in the works.

 

[Battimi]

Watching here and on the other forums, the names I've actually seen mentioned with IU are Tamar Bates, Josh Nickleberry, Miller Kopp, and Kyle Mangas. And, possibly, Adam Miller. Frankly, not a very exciting list to this point. I've also seen Jabari Smith's name thrown about, but that seems very doubtful.

Anybody else hearing or seeing about others we are actually communicating with (v. those we 'should/could' look at)?

Hoping our focus shifts a bit to finding a big man or two in the wake of losing Brunk. We are going to need some minutes from a big who can rebound and defend the rim. We have injury risk with TJD and Race and they will have some foul trouble - there is no avoiding that entirely.

I know we need shooters but if player development is going to be a strength of this staff then let's get to work on Lander, Galloway, Phinese, Leal, Geronimo and improve their shooting from distance.

 

[hoosier48]

Did the transfer portal take the place of JR college transfers or is it the same portal?

 

[IUNorth]

Mangas is unquestionably the best all around player in that group. It’d be fascinating to see how he’d adjust to high major D1 ball. As he is one of the better NAIA players ever.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Mangas is unquestionably the best all around player in that group. It’d be fascinating to see how he’d adjust to high major D1 ball. As he is one of the better NAIA players ever.

I agree he's got skills, but he looks a little slow to me.

From you, as someone who likes him, how would you compare him to a Randy Whittman?

 

[MTBRider]

I agree he's got skills, but he looks a little slow to me.

From you, as someone who likes him, how would you compare him to a Randy Whittman?

I would love to take a flyer on this kid. He can really light it up from outside and is definitely sneaky athletic. He's not ultra quick, but does have a good first step and hops. I've read and heard that he's actually got good length too, which isn't the type of thing you normally see at the NAIA level.

I honestly don't know why you wouldn't take him unless you really just don't feel he can guard the position. But hell, even with that, how many more games would we have won over the past couple of years if we just had a great shooter?

 

[IUNorth]

I agree he's got skills, but he looks a little slow to me.

From you, as someone who likes him, how would you compare him to a Randy Whittman?

Kyle Guy maybe. He’s not as quick as Guy, but stronger and more explosive near the basket. Guys probably a better shooter overall. Impossible to know how his game would translate to high major versus a Kyle Guy. It’d be fascinating to see it play out though.

To use current IU kids...maybe a cross between Trey Galloway and Armaan Franklin?

I THINK he’d be an upgrade over either of those guys. But again, no way to tell how he’d fare against B10 level guys.

Weiskamp from Iowa might be a decent comp too.

 

[Coach Geez]

Watching here and on the other forums, the names I've actually seen mentioned with IU are Tamar Bates, Josh Nickleberry, Miller Kopp, and Kyle Mangas. And, possibly, Adam Miller. Frankly, not a very exciting list to this point. I've also seen Jabari Smith's name thrown about, but that seems very doubtful.

Anybody else hearing or seeing about others we are actually communicating with (v. those we 'should/could' look at)?

Bates and Smith are high school seniors (not in the portal). I would take either of those in a heartbeat. Smith is a top 5 recruit and a future lottery pick though not sure how he gets out of his NLOI from Auburn. If we're going strictly off that list, give me Kopp and Smith. Smith adds rim protecting capabilities and has extended range, would pair well with TJD. Kopp is a versatile player who can play in a variety of lineups.

 

[TR32]

Remember that Duncan Robinson went from DIII to U of M to starring in the NBA playoffs. If you can shoot you can shoot. The taller the better.

 

[IUNorth]

I would love to take a flyer on this kid. He can really light it up from outside and is definitely sneaky athletic. He's not ultra quick, but does have a good first step and hops. I've read and heard that he's actually got good length too, which isn't the type of thing you normally see at the NAIA level.

I honestly don't know why you wouldn't take him unless you really just don't feel he can guard the position. But hell, even with that, how many more games would we have won over the past couple of years if we just had a great shooter?

He is long. Defense and ability to finish in Big10 traffic would be my biggest question marks. As you’d bring him in to shoot and score.

I don’t even know if he’d have eligibility? He already played his 4 years in NAIA? Don’t know if they got a free year too? Or if NCAA is allowing them to come in and play an extra year? I just commented on him because the OP brought him up.

I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t start for us. And push to score double figures. But could he guard B10 wings?

 

[MTBRider]

He is long. Defense and ability to finish in Big10 traffic would be my biggest question marks. As you’d bring him in to shoot and score.

I don’t even know if he’d have eligibility? He already played his 4 years in NAIA? Don’t know if they got a free year too? Or if NCAA is allowing them to come in and play an extra year? I just commented on him because the OP brought him up.

I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t start for us. And push to score double figures. But could he guard B10 wings?

I can't remember where I read it (but everything you read on the web is true!), but from what I've seen he would be eligible.

 

[IUser]

Watching here and on the other forums, the names I've actually seen mentioned with IU are Tamar Bates, Josh Nickleberry, Miller Kopp, and Kyle Mangas. And, possibly, Adam Miller. Frankly, not a very exciting list to this point. I've also seen Jabari Smith's name thrown about, but that seems very doubtful.

Anybody else hearing or seeing about others we are actually communicating with (v. those we 'should/could' look at)?

Kyle Mangus would be an awesome addition.
Tbe guy is tough as nails and can shoot the rock.

 

[IULouie]

Kyle Mangus would be an awesome addition.
Tbe guy is tough as nails and can shoot the rock.

Kyle Mangas- INDIANA WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY
6’4 G
200 lbs
29.5 PPG
7.4 RBS
5.1 APG
1.8 STL
60.3 FG% (356-590)
84.9 FT% (186-219)
39.0 3P% (76-195)

 

[birdforbogey]

Kyle Mangus would be an awesome addition.
Tbe guy is tough as nails and can shoot the rock.

That is something IU has been missing for years.

 

[whosyourholydaddy]

Hoping our focus shifts a bit to finding a big man or two in the wake of losing Brunk. We are going to need some minutes from a big who can rebound and defend the rim. We have injury risk with TJD and Race and they will have some foul trouble - there is no avoiding that entirely.

I know we need shooters but if player development is going to be a strength of this staff then let's get to work on Lander, Galloway, Phinese, Leal, Geronimo and improve their shooting from distance.

And Hunter

 

[T.M.P.]

That is something IU has been missing for years.

What someone to warm the bench. We have plenty of players for that.

 

[Tru2Irish]

Kyle Mangas- INDIANA WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY
6’4 G
200 lbs
29.5 PPG
7.4 RBS
5.1 APG
1.8 STL
60.3 FG% (356-590)
84.9 FT% (186-219)
39.0 3P% (76-195)

Is he Tom Coverdale tough?

 

[birdforbogey]

What someone to warm the bench. We have plenty of players for that.

tough as nails

 

[Btownboom]

Getting mangas and Kopp would fill a big need! Mangas can score and shoot. Kopp is one of the best pure shooters in the big ten and has good size at 6’6”. We need some shooters with high basketball IQ

 

[ufo33]

 

[ufo33]

If Mangas really wants to chase his NBA Dream. An IU home run season would knock his stock out of the park.

 

[Cavanagh.13]

Kyle Guy maybe. He’s not as quick as Guy, but stronger and more explosive near the basket. Guys probably a better shooter overall. Impossible to know how his game would translate to high major versus a Kyle Guy. It’d be fascinating to see it play out though.

To use current IU kids...maybe a cross between Trey Galloway and Armaan Franklin?

I THINK he’d be an upgrade over either of those guys. But again, no way to tell how he’d fare against B10 level guys.

Weiskamp from Iowa might be a decent comp too.

Weiskamp is duncan robinson 2.0 and will play in the NBA for a a long time shooting threes, is this dude a dead eye shooter?

 

[Frosty83]

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I saw him play a couple times in high school and he was a good ball handler and decent shooter, but nothing like those highlight clips with all the dunks.

 

[IUNorth]

Weiskamp is duncan robinson 2.0 and will play in the NBA for a a long time shooting threes, is this dude a dead eye shooter?

Similar shooter to Weiskamp. Not as tall as him. But a better ball handler and passer.

 

[5morebanners]

Weiskamp is duncan robinson 2.0 and will play in the NBA for a a long time shooting threes, is this dude a dead eye shooter?

Lol

 

[IUNorth]

I saw him play a couple times in high school and he was a good ball handler and decent shooter, but nothing like those highlight clips with all the dunks.

I remember he hit a buzzer beater game winning three against my high school team in sectionals. The school I played for over 20 years ago that is...And I remember the first time I saw him play...I was thinking he was a stud guard with good size and length. He had multiple dunks in that game.

I didn’t pay much attention to where he went for college until I realized he was playing in the conference I played in. Surprised me he wasn’t D1. It took me seeing one of his college games to think he didn’t belong down at that level.

 

[ufo33]

Kyle Mangas is more skilled than Jon Kochar, and Konchar is in the NBA. IU needs shooting.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

This Mangas kid would run circles around last year’s IU guard play.

 

[IULouie]

Kyle Mangas is more skilled than Jon Kochar, and Konchar is in the NBA. IU needs shooting.

Kyle Mangas 3P% at INDIANA WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY
77-204 37.7% (2017-18)
82-193 42.5% (2018-19)
72-189 38.1% (2019-20)
76-195 39.0% (2020-21)

 

[IULouie]

Indiana 3P% 2020-21
Indiana 32.4% (ranked 237th)
Armaan Franklin 36-80 45.0% Virginia
Aljami Durham 37-96 38.5% Providence
Rob Phinisee 25-94 26.6%
Jerome Hunter 24-70 34.3%
Khristian Lander 12-44 27.3%
Anthony Leal 9-30 30.0%
Trey Galloway 6-31 19.4%
Jordan Geronimo 4-10 40.0%
Race Thompson 3-15 20.0%

Trayce Jackson Davis 0%

 

[76-1]

Can't be certain that we're actually looking at these guys but here are a few bios of guys that still appear to be available who might be able to help us:

Elite Prep Guard Tamar Bates a Hot Commodity After Decommitment from Texas

Bates decommitted after Shaka Smart took the head coaching job at Marquette.

www.si.com

Mangas Hopes To Continue Stellar Career

Warsaw boys’ basketball standout guard Kyle Mangas committed early to Indiana Wesleyan University (IWU) in the late fall of 2016, just before his senior s

timesuniononline.com

Darryl Morsell - Men's Basketball - University of Maryland Athletics

Darryl Morsell (11) Guard - NOTE: Morsell graduated in the summer of 2020 with a bachelor's degree in family science. He is currently pursuing a master's ...

umterps.com

D.J. Jeffries - 2020-21 - Men's Basketball - University of Memphis Athletics

D.J. Jeffries (0) F - 2020-21 Season (Sophomore) Appeared in all 28 games for the Tigers and played an average of 25.6 minutes per game… Ranked fourth ...

gotigersgo.com

Tari Eason - Men's Basketball - University of Cincinnati Athletics

Tari Eason (13) Forward - Printable Eason Bio 2020-21 Season (Freshman): Started eight of 23 games, averaging 7.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2

gobearcats.com

Cam'Ron Fletcher - Men's Basketball - University of Kentucky Athletics

Cam'Ron Fletcher (21) Forward - 2020-21 Freshman: Entered the transfer portal after the season … Appeared in nine games and made one start … Scored 15 points,

ukathletics.com

Miller Kopp - 2020-21 - Men's Basketball - Northwestern Athletics

Miller Kopp (10) F - 2020-21: Scored a team-high 18 points, including 4-for-7 shooting from deep, in the season-opening win against Arkansas Pine-Bluff (12...

nusports.com

Thomas Kithier - Men's Basketball - Michigan State University Athletics

Thomas Kithier (15) F - THE WORD A smart, hard-working player with a high basketball IQ ... A solid defender ... Runs the floor well and can be effective in the

msuspartans.com

John Harrar - Men's Basketball - Penn State Athletics

John Harrar (21) Forward - CAREER NOTES & RECORDS Records #1 in Penn State history in career games played - 146 #1 in Penn State history in rebounds for

gopsusports.com

Which 2 should we go with??

My votes would be for the true freshman Bates ((he actually reminds me of Woodson back when he was a freshman, very smooth, can score from all over the court)); and... drum roll..., John Harrar (I can hear the collective groans and head slaps across the interwebby)... 😉

I like Harrar because he's the consummate teammate who'll do the dirty work down low and only help you..., never hurt you... I think he's athletic enough to run the floor if that's what he'll be asked to do... He'd fill the void left by Brunk quite well..., in my opinion...

And before anyone gets really worked up about my choices..., just remember this: I won't get a vote...😎

 

[birdforbogey]

It has to be done. Kyle Mangas vs Luke Brown. Lol

 

[parke]

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Pretty impressive.

 

[mobilehoosier]

Is he Tom Coverdale tough?

Not many are.

 

[76-1]

Indiana 3P% 2020-21
Indiana 32.4% (ranked 237th)
Armaan Franklin 36-80 45.0% Virginia
Aljami Durham 37-96 38.5% Providence
Rob Phinisee 25-94 26.6%
Jerome Hunter 24-70 34.3%
Khristian Lander 12-44 27.3%
Anthony Leal 9-30 30.0%
Trey Galloway 6-31 19.4%
Jordan Geronimo 4-10 40.0%
Race Thompson 3-15 20.0%

Trayce Jackson Davis 0%

I see your point... One of the next two guys will have to be consistent from behind the 3pt line... That narrows things down...

 

[Coach Geez]

Can't be certain that we're actually looking at these guys but here are a few bios of guys that still appear to be available who might be able to help us:

Elite Prep Guard Tamar Bates a Hot Commodity After Decommitment from Texas

Bates decommitted after Shaka Smart took the head coaching job at Marquette.

www.si.com

Mangas Hopes To Continue Stellar Career

Warsaw boys’ basketball standout guard Kyle Mangas committed early to Indiana Wesleyan University (IWU) in the late fall of 2016, just before his senior s

timesuniononline.com

Darryl Morsell - Men's Basketball - University of Maryland Athletics

Darryl Morsell (11) Guard - NOTE: Morsell graduated in the summer of 2020 with a bachelor's degree in family science. He is currently pursuing a master's ...

umterps.com

D.J. Jeffries - 2020-21 - Men's Basketball - University of Memphis Athletics

D.J. Jeffries (0) F - 2020-21 Season (Sophomore) Appeared in all 28 games for the Tigers and played an average of 25.6 minutes per game… Ranked fourth ...

gotigersgo.com

Tari Eason - Men's Basketball - University of Cincinnati Athletics

Tari Eason (13) Forward - Printable Eason Bio 2020-21 Season (Freshman): Started eight of 23 games, averaging 7.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2

gobearcats.com

Cam'Ron Fletcher - Men's Basketball - University of Kentucky Athletics

Cam'Ron Fletcher (21) Forward - 2020-21 Freshman: Entered the transfer portal after the season … Appeared in nine games and made one start … Scored 15 points,

ukathletics.com

Miller Kopp - 2020-21 - Men's Basketball - Northwestern Athletics

Miller Kopp (10) F - 2020-21: Scored a team-high 18 points, including 4-for-7 shooting from deep, in the season-opening win against Arkansas Pine-Bluff (12...

nusports.com

Thomas Kithier - Men's Basketball - Michigan State University Athletics

Thomas Kithier (15) F - THE WORD A smart, hard-working player with a high basketball IQ ... A solid defender ... Runs the floor well and can be effective in the

msuspartans.com

John Harrar - Men's Basketball - Penn State Athletics

John Harrar (21) Forward - CAREER NOTES & RECORDS Records #1 in Penn State history in career games played - 146 #1 in Penn State history in rebounds for

gopsusports.com

Which 2 should we go with??

My votes would be for the true freshman Bates ((he actually reminds me of Woodson back when he was a freshman, very smooth, can score from all over the court)); and... drum roll..., John Harrar (I can hear the collective groans and head slaps across the interwebby)... 😉

I like Harrar because he's the consummate teammate who'll do the dirty work down low and only help you..., never hurt you... I think he's athletic enough to run the floor if that's what he'll be asked to do... He'd fill the void left by Brunk quite well..., in my opinion...

And before anyone gets really worked up about my choices..., just remember this: I won't get a vote...😎

At 6'9, Harrar and Race have pretty similar games. Race more athletic, Harrar a little bit stronger (maybe inch taller?) but have pretty much same skillset. Harrar makes sense as a back up if you plan on playing TJD and Race together 30min a game, but I don't think that's the route Woodson is going to go. Need at least 4 guys on the court who can spread the floor at any given time and that diminishes the more you play TJD and Race together.

 

[kkott]

So is there any evidence we're actually looking at Mangas, or that he intends to play another year at the D1 level? The article linked is from March but doesn't mention another year of college, possibly overseas. I don't know how to check, but is he in the transfer portal? Not sure how that works with a D2 player.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Can't be certain that we're actually looking at these guys but here are a few bios of guys that still appear to be available who might be able to help us:

Elite Prep Guard Tamar Bates a Hot Commodity After Decommitment from Texas

Bates decommitted after Shaka Smart took the head coaching job at Marquette.

www.si.com

Mangas Hopes To Continue Stellar Career

Warsaw boys’ basketball standout guard Kyle Mangas committed early to Indiana Wesleyan University (IWU) in the late fall of 2016, just before his senior s

timesuniononline.com

Darryl Morsell - Men's Basketball - University of Maryland Athletics

Darryl Morsell (11) Guard - NOTE: Morsell graduated in the summer of 2020 with a bachelor's degree in family science. He is currently pursuing a master's ...

umterps.com

D.J. Jeffries - 2020-21 - Men's Basketball - University of Memphis Athletics

D.J. Jeffries (0) F - 2020-21 Season (Sophomore) Appeared in all 28 games for the Tigers and played an average of 25.6 minutes per game… Ranked fourth ...

gotigersgo.com

Tari Eason - Men's Basketball - University of Cincinnati Athletics

Tari Eason (13) Forward - Printable Eason Bio 2020-21 Season (Freshman): Started eight of 23 games, averaging 7.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2

gobearcats.com

Cam'Ron Fletcher - Men's Basketball - University of Kentucky Athletics

Cam'Ron Fletcher (21) Forward - 2020-21 Freshman: Entered the transfer portal after the season … Appeared in nine games and made one start … Scored 15 points,

ukathletics.com

Miller Kopp - 2020-21 - Men's Basketball - Northwestern Athletics

Miller Kopp (10) F - 2020-21: Scored a team-high 18 points, including 4-for-7 shooting from deep, in the season-opening win against Arkansas Pine-Bluff (12...

nusports.com

Thomas Kithier - Men's Basketball - Michigan State University Athletics

Thomas Kithier (15) F - THE WORD A smart, hard-working player with a high basketball IQ ... A solid defender ... Runs the floor well and can be effective in the

msuspartans.com

John Harrar - Men's Basketball - Penn State Athletics

John Harrar (21) Forward - CAREER NOTES & RECORDS Records #1 in Penn State history in career games played - 146 #1 in Penn State history in rebounds for

gopsusports.com

Which 2 should we go with??

My votes would be for the true freshman Bates ((he actually reminds me of Woodson back when he was a freshman, very smooth, can score from all over the court)); and... drum roll..., John Harrar (I can hear the collective groans and head slaps across the interwebby)... 😉

I like Harrar because he's the consummate teammate who'll do the dirty work down low and only help you..., never hurt you... I think he's athletic enough to run the floor if that's what he'll be asked to do... He'd fill the void left by Brunk quite well..., in my opinion...

And before anyone gets really worked up about my choices..., just remember this: I won't get a vote...😎

I'm with you on Harrar....built like a Notre Dame tight end. More that suitable replacement for Brunk...actually (no disrespect towards Joey) an upgrade. A guy built for B1G ball. And a lot of experience. I see him as a can't-lose pickup for any team.

Not sure about Mangas...haven't seen any proof he knows how to play defense...but he does have some athletic freak in him and seems to have the cocky chip-on-his shoulder way....I've said many times, IU bball needs an infusion of badassery. Tired of looking like the Karens of the Big Ten.

 

[IUNorth]

At 6'9, Harrar and Race have pretty similar games. Race more athletic, Harrar a little bit stronger (maybe inch taller?) but have pretty much same skillset. Harrar makes sense as a back up if you plan on playing TJD and Race together 30min a game, but I don't think that's the route Woodson is going to go. Need at least 4 guys on the court who can spread the floor at any given time and that diminishes the more you play TJD and Race together.

This is why Woodson and his staff are making the big bucks. They’ll have to balance the immediate needs to just win more ball games and become an NCAA caliber team right away...with building foundational things that leads to us being a perennial B10 contender in a couple/few years.

If you’re focusing solely on the former, you probably just fill your roster this year with transfers that can upgrade your talent level, whatever size or position they are. If it’s the latter, building post depth for the future...finding alpha leaders for the future in the backcourt. Spending a ton of time getting in with 2022-2024 difference makers, etc...

As everything should be, I’m sure it’ll be a balance of both.