Tom Crean and Vanderbilt
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No, spinning stories to 8th graders about their parallelisms to DWade or VO has become lame. Used sparingly, it's a tactic that might actually mean something sure, but abused over-and-over it becomes stale and transparent. Kids might not pick up on it right away; however, level-headed adults, i.e. parents and coaches, most certainly will--which was Taz' point in relating the experience, IMO.
I could be wrong, but there are surely more productive and genuine methods to positively reinforce young players while simultaneously marketing the Program.
I'd suggest you re-read again what I posted, because I didn't prove your point at all. The claim was losing to a seed worse than ours was underachieving. Coach Knight did that many times. Coach Knight also overachieved many times. If you're going to hold Crean's underachieving in the tournament (which happened once using yours and other criteria) as the standard, then don't move the goal posts when it comes to other coaches and redefine the criteria.
And yes, not predicted to win the Big Ten title and then actually winning the Big Ten title is overachieving. We all know if IU was picked 1st, and came in only one spot different to 2nd (using your criteria in this thread in a reverse manner), you would complain vociferously. You don't get to have it both ways.
HS and AAU coaches on the forum have already shot this down. Your experience with one coach doesn't get to decide what most coaches in the state thing. Dubious. Hubris.
Why does this matter to you? If kids want to become like DWade, why wouldn't they want to play for the coach that helped DWade become Dwade? By the way, those are DWade's words, as he praises Crean all the time. Do you think kids didn't want to play for Dean Smith somewhat because they might be like Jordan?
Why don't you ask the players on the team, the ones the commended him for keeping the team together, when they were off to such a rough start. The coach that won the Big Ten Coach of the Year, and was one of four finalists for National Coach of the Year. Yes, keep going on that he had not an impact at all, not even for a single game, as you suggest.
You know better than the players, the other Big Ten coaches and the national sports media. We are graced with your knowledge and presence.
"The way he acts is not well received and reflects poorly on the program."
What coach are you talking about?
Ok - please tell us the game where Crean was the difference in us winning because of his shrewd coaching moves.
This ought to be good . . .
Only in your mind.
Forgot about this one, huh?
You all need to take a trip in as couple of weeks and see for yourselves. Don't take my word for it - which obviously you won't. It is what it is.
Of Indiana coaches from which I have to choose, and I admit, I haven't been following this back and forth in its entirety, but I would have to guess:
Bob Knight? I can't think of anyone who has acted in a way perceived more negatively or who has acted in a way that has reflected more poorly on any program in the history of college basketball.
Am I correct Tas?
Glad to see SOMEONE understands without a 3-dimensional diagram being written out for them.
Ok. Sorry. I re-read everything and now realize you are on board with coach Crean. I am glad to hear it because he is the returning Big 10 coach of the year with the #8 nationally ranked team coming in next year. Also, he is going to be here for as long as he wants and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it. We are glad you are on board. Buckle up!!!
I swear you can't make this stuff up . . . but you all do, anyways . . .
I hear you. Right on. Tas' Dev' and the gang say let's go Coach Crean and the Hoosiers!
Tasmanian Devil is finally on board!!! Nothing can stop us now!
Did Bob Knight ever cut down nets after a loss? No. The only 2 times I know of that Knight publically acknowledged a team other than his NCAA title teams was 1975 (had the UPI National Champions banner) and the 1983 Big Ten Champions (and that was to honor the fans, NOT the team).
Did Bob Knight ever allow one of the coaches on his bench to talk trash to players off the other team? No.
RIF . . .
That's not the topic. But nice try.
You said...
"He's perceived as the Big Ten coach of the Year and was a finalist as National Coach of the Year. That is how he is perceived."
And I replied with the fact that the one school Crean took to the final four (Marquette), doesn't think much of him. Go to their board and bring up Crean.
And I bet you know a Marquette fan or two...
And I bet you know a Marquette fan or two...
Sure he does . . . he goes WAAAAAAAAY back on Marquette basketball . . . LMAO!!!!
What points are you trying to make then? is Crean as good as Knight? or was Knight not one of the best coaches in the game? For me, comparing and defending Crean uisng Knight is just completely ridiculous. I love Crean as a person. He is truly a great guy. But as a coach, this year was the first time he showed that he has potentials. I truly hope he succeeds and brings IU back. As of now, he is nowhere close to be in the conversation comparing to Knight.
Knight might under perform occasionally but over achieved many more before 94. He won a national title without any NBA 1st pick on his team. He won 3 national titles with only one NBA all star ever playing for him. No one in the history of the game has ever done so much with so little. For some reason, losing touch with the new generation of kids, bad talent evaluation or whatever, he hit a wall at IU after 94. But if Collier and Recker did not leave, it might not be as bad. With the team he assembled at IU around 2000, who knows what would happen if he were not fired. His first few years in Texas Tech was also nothing but remarkable. No one would have turn Texas tech around that fast and no one would bring that program anywhere further. He was a tyrant, a bully and he is childish, selfish, hypocritical and whatever you could call him. Even these flaws could not change the fact that the guy was one of the best ever, if not the best.
Knight might under perform occasionally but over achieved many more before 94. He won a national title without any NBA 1st pick on his team. He won 3 national titles with only one NBA all star ever playing for him. No one in the history of the game has ever done so much with so little. For some reason, losing touch with the new generation of kids, bad talent evaluation or whatever, he hit a wall at IU after 94. But if Collier and Recker did not leave, it might not be as bad. With the team he assembled at IU around 2000, who knows what would happen if he were not fired. His first few years in Texas Tech was also nothing but remarkable. No one would have turn Texas tech around that fast and no one would bring that program anywhere further. He was a tyrant, a bully and he is childish, selfish, hypocritical and whatever you could call him. Even these flaws could not change the fact that the guy was one of the best ever, if not the best.
Do you really want to do this? (Starter pistol, potted plant, toilet paper, cursing out NCAA lackey, etc).
His first year at TT was one of the best coaching jobs of his career. After that, not so much.
Better go back and re-read the conversation, Sponge Bob
If I could only be you . . . . <I feel myself getting nauseous right now>
Go ahead and throw up...it's what most of your posts consist of anyway.
Just go ahead and post about rubber and glue...you know you want to. It seems to be your go to.
I'd rather talk about the issues at hand.
The issue here is: Tom Crean's competency as a coach and how he is perceived by many HS coaches in this state. Again, go to the IBCA event a week from this Saturday/Sunday and hear it for yourself. And, again, Knight being an A$$HOLE (which has already been acknowledged) doesn't distract for the abilities he had to take less and do more.
Crean has never demonstrated that kind of ability. Stevie Wonder can see that from 5 miles away and you're oblivious to it . . .
There's nothing mythical about Crean's results as a head coach. Nothing. If anything, it is you who has repeatedly attempted to portray those results inaccurately. That you do so with impugnity is why you're so lacking in credibility here, even among those who regard Crean as a good coach.
Let's see... you kept going on and on about a poster stating something over and over doesn't make it true...but you do the very same thing to many posters...so now you know your posts are meaningless trolling at best...that is all you offer... your notion that people want credibility at this site is laughable!
I've done nothing of the sort, though I'm not surprised that you're wholly lacking in a meaningful response. You pointed accused someone of myth-making while offering nothing of substance in support. That's why you aren't credible. And, no, I've never once deluded myself into believing you'd offer anything other than your standard inanities. Again, it's why you have absolutely no credibility here.
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