I've said this in other posts, but I will reiterate here: Carey inherited two highly functional programs. One (NIU) was excellent, the other (Temple) functional. They were both demolished when he left them. Players don't like playing for him. Media types don't like interacting with him and recruits sure as hell aren't interested in committing to him. You don't have to look very hard to see any of this.
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Well this is a tough pill to swallow. Hopefully he has improved in those areas.I've said this in other posts, but I will reiterate here: Carey inherited two highly functional programs. One (NIU) was excellent, the other (Temple) functional. They were both demolished when he left them. Players don't like playing for him. Media types don't like interacting with him and recruits sure as hell aren't interested in committing to him. You don't have to look very hard to see any of this.
Rod Carey out after three tumultuous seasons at Temple
The Owls had just four wins the last two seasons amid turmoil in the program.
The only reason people here keep saying positive things about this dude is because he played here 30 years ago. If his alma mater was....whoever...San Diego St, for example...everyone would be saying, "why in the world are we bringing this guy in with that track record?"
This guy is toxic and is NOT the answer to any of our problems at IU.
He just needs to improve the play calling and help IU win more games this year and maybe next year.
I think that describes Temple where the wheels fell off the bus, but that doesn't describe Northern Illinois. He pretty much dominated the MAC the entire time was at NIU. He won 82% of his in conference games. That's unheard of. Even in his last years most of his losses were against Power 5 out of conference teams including good ones like Utah, Ohio State, and Iowa. If you look at the offensive numbers against in conference teams, he put up big offensive numbers in conference. His recruiting was also strong during his tenure and much better than it had been traditionally. I don't see the picture you are painting at NIU.I've said this in other posts, but I will reiterate here: Carey inherited two highly functional programs. One (NIU) was excellent, the other (Temple) functional. They were both demolished when he left them. Players don't like playing for him. Media types don't like interacting with him and recruits sure as hell aren't interested in committing to him. You don't have to look very hard to see any of this.
Rod Carey out after three tumultuous seasons at Temple
The Owls had just four wins the last two seasons amid turmoil in the program.
The only reason people here keep saying positive things about this dude is because he played here 30 years ago. If his alma mater was....whoever...San Diego St, for example...everyone would be saying, "why in the world are we bringing this guy in with that track record?"
This guy is toxic and is NOT the answer to any of our problems at IU.
I think the point was he took over an already built program at NIU, and it was starting to plateau and even slip ever so slightly when he left.
His success longevity at NIU is just too positive to discount.
Doren's first and last year recruiting was the 2012 class. They were ranked 8th in the MAC. 2011 was Jerry Kill's class I believe and they were ranked 5th. Carey's first class was 2013 and was ranked 3rd. His 2014 class was also 3rd. And 2015 was 3rd. So he recruited better than his predecessors and he won with their lower level talent and then recruited better talent. He did not have as much success but was still close to the top of the MAC. People seem to trying to create a negative narrative when there wasn't one. His record was not as good because he played a tougher schedule after having early success. He won 82% of his in conference games. That's a good narrative. His most relevant experience may be that last year the offensive line play and the offense improved once he got involved with it. There is a fine line between pointing 30 pts a game up and scoring 10. Hopefully he can push us over that line.
I appreciate your opinion, and I hope you're right about Carey. If he gets the offense moving in the right direction...then great. I want the best for the Hoosiers.
I think there is enough to warrant the negative narrative because you need to look at his Temple stint too. Not fitting into Philly culture doesn't wipe away losing a locker room and causing key contributors to transfer.
Yup and the negative narrative on Saban was the Cleveland Browns.
I think Rod will improve our offense and eliminate the bad things while emphasizing the good things. I hope he mixes up the pass and run and listens to the QBs about run the plays a little be faster as both are used to it.
Many things put him several steps ahead of WB. An intangible to Carey vs. Bell is recruiting. I believe he's a better evaluator of a HS player's talent, skills and potential for the benefit of IUFB.
Like we saw with Bob Bostad, many expect immediate results, and the real world rarely turns out that way. We’ve had trouble executing a fairly basic offense, and I’m not sure how much impact RC will have until we can block things much better than we have to date.
Yes, those won’t be paper mache 500 lb weights on the carnival strongman’s barbell.
I don't remember seeing a single person excited about the Bell hire. Nothing in his background showed sustained success. Carey has had some success.
Agree. Let’s see how it plays out. Unit can’t be worse.
