Here's what he would have done. As Taliban retook Kabul, all American personnel would have been immediately evacuated. To hell with the SIVs. I don't know that this was the right/wrong path, but that's what Trump would have done based on his track record. He abandoned the Kurds and the Iraqi SIVs. I'm not sure what specific promises were made to the SIV folks. Also unclear how you can possibly vet 10s of thousands over night. Given what I know, you have to imagine there are terrorists amongst the evacuees. Lots of young guys without documentation from the pics I saw.
There wouldn't have been any casualties under Trump
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Trump did complain about that early photo of 600 Afghans on the flight, saying Americans should have been first. So that opens up your possibility.
But we do not know and arguing Trump would have left perfectly or in a shambles is a fruitless endeavor.
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But we do not know and arguing Trump would have left perfectly or in a shambles is a fruitless endeavor.
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There was no perfect end to this. Afghanistan is the worst possible place to fight a war and this deal was sealed in 2001.
Trump would have rode in on his baby trump hot air balloon and air lifted every American out of there in a matter of seconds.
Unless you know the inner workings of Isis K or whatever those incel religious nutballs call themselves, what they knew. what their intel was, what their plan would have been, you have no clue what the response would have been if that would have been the plan..
Unless of course, you're a wizard with the requisite spell or a cleric gifted with divination from your deity and can unerringly predict what would have happened in an alternate timeline..
Your topic header reeks of click-bait sensationlism only equaled by the media you complain about.
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About as believable as the earth being flat so yup, makes sense that you thought so
Since you say the world isn’t flat, do get better gas mileage going North or South?
Surprised to see you giving trump credit for being a humanitarian. I believe his stance would have been **** em
Nice try. In your haste to yabutt...did you misunderstand the OP? It was critical of trump and I agreed.
I don't think he would have been a humanitarian but i also don't think he could have prevented casualties.
OP said he wasn't taking a side on whether abandoning sivs was right or wrong. Hardly the critical post. But made a definitive statement that no one would have died.
Learn to read.
OP said he wasn't taking a side on whether abandoning sivs was right or wrong. Hardly the critical post. But made a definitive statement that no one would have died.
Learn to read.
I am quite aware of what the OP posted and I responded with my opinion that I agree that trump would have given the finger to everyone but the Americans on site. You then attcked my post as "flat earth"
You either misunderstood the post or in your haste to yabutt you stepped on your own pee pee or you have turned into a trumper.
I have no idea if that would have been the case or not, but the current situation is gut wrenchingly awful.
Oh trump would have F'd something up but the big difference would be the blowback about leaving non-Americans behind. The trumpers here would be singing a completely different tune..." America first...we can't save all these Afghans"
I am solely basing this on Trump's long track record of disloyalty. A multi decade track record. There is no doubt in my mind that there would have been an imminent and hasty withdrawal of all personnel following the Taliban take over. I don't see any differences in the time line other than Trump abandoning ship immediately. When he has no use for someone they are as good as gone to him.
There wouldn't have been any American casualties. Everyone would have been out in a split second. Trump tosses those he has no use for. If it boils down to it, he will throw Ivanka under the bus. I've tried to do some rudimentary research on what was promised to the SIVs and by whom. I haven't found anything substantial. If they were promised something by the US govt in writing then I do have a problem with abandoning them. The US govt makes a lot of promises it doesn't keep. I'm more disappointed by the complete abdication of standing for human rights. The American facade. What awaits women in Afg is horrific.
I didn't say it would have been perfect. I'm making the statement that Trump would have hightailed it at the first sign of trouble. He has lived this way his entire life.
Yea, I get ya... and agree with most of it. Except that topic header.
No one here knows enough to make any claim like that. Plus, Trump's one glaring quality, is he's dumb as fk and incompetent beyond compare. There's not one thing that imbecile could not possibly fk up... He has the poopy finger, it's like the midas touch but instead of gold everything he touches turns to shit. so to say he wouldn'thave fk'd this up and lost lives is complete bull ..
fwiw - this will not be well received but 13 losses in a full retreat is not that bad. Taliban could have chosen to fight us on our way out where it could have turned into a rout and been much much worse.
We'll never know .. well everyone except Nostradumbass he knows everything, he's like the Watcher in Marvel comics, only dumber and not anything like him at all.
It may be a political disaster (what isn't?) but strategically and logistically... maybe not as bad as everyone with an agenda is making it out to be.
It's just another ongoing failure of our geo-political doctrine and that includes multiple presidents of both parties. but if we don't destabilize nations and steal their commodities, someone else will.
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Hard to know what casualties would have happened in an alternate universe. You are probably right that he would have left the afghans out to pasture but it still would have taken time
In the latest faux right-wing outrage, it's claimed we left the Taliban 33 US Blackhawks which are being called Hi-tech weapon systems.
This is a lie and it's being spread by right-wing Trumpian nutjobs that actually know better.
The helicopters left behind were stripped-down versions given to or sold to the Afghani air force in 2016/2017 by the Trump administration. They did not include the high-tech electronics like the ones used by our SOF and the copter itself has been in operation since 1979.
Another day, more bullshit outrage porn for clueless hillbillies.
This is a lie and it's being spread by right-wing Trumpian nutjobs that actually know better.
The helicopters left behind were stripped-down versions given to or sold to the Afghani air force in 2016/2017 by the Trump administration. They did not include the high-tech electronics like the ones used by our SOF and the copter itself has been in operation since 1979.
Another day, more bullshit outrage porn for clueless hillbillies.
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