The GOP is trading soccer moms for Walmart dads.

[Aloha Hoosier]

The demographics of the two parties are definitely shifting. This article explains much of what we've been seeing.

The great realignment

Even small inroads with Hispanic voters could tip a number of Democratic-held swing seats to the GOP.

www.axios.com

 

[larsIU]

This might be controversial but, if the Republican party wants to become the champion of the poor and the lower middle class they're going to run into the same problems the Dems did. They're going to need policy solutions which will benefit those groups. The disaffected and disillusioned from our current economy, etc.

That hasn't typically been the bailiwick of the Chamber of Commerce type Republicans.

That being said, I think this realignment is real and will be one of the great shifts in the parties when we look back 20-30 years from now.

 

[outside shooter]

A bigger problem for the GOP than courting ethnic and gender demographics is dealing with generational drift.

Younger people seem to be adamantly for the social issues pushed by the left and opposed by the right, such as equity for LGBTQ, child care support, health care, climate change reforms, etc.

I look at my children's circle of friends and I don't see anywhere near the 50-50 divide I see in my generation. It is more like 90-10 DEM. Of course, they tend not to vote. But that will change as they get older, or as they become more motivated. That could make a difference as the dinosaurs die off.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

A bigger problem for the GOP than courting ethnic and gender demographics is dealing with generational drift.

Younger people seem to be adamantly for the social issues pushed by the left and opposed by the right, such as equity for LGBTQ, child care support, health care, climate change reforms, etc.

I look at my children's circle of friends and I don't see anywhere near the 50-50 divide I see in my generation. It is more like 90-10 DEM. Of course, they tend not to vote. But that will change as they get older, or as they become more motivated. That could make a difference as the dinosaurs die off.

I was a liberal Democrat when I was young too. I don't think they'll stay Democrat or Republican in the same ratio as they grow older. Many will move in the opposite direction. Also, the parties' positions on some of those social issue will likely evolve to something else.

 

[larsIU]

I was a liberal Democrat when I was young too. I don't think they'll stay Democrat or Republican in the same ratio as they grow older. Many will move in the opposite direction. Also, the parties' positions on some of those social issue will likely evolve to something else.

Apparently I've moved so far right my daughter (15) says I'm a Trumper.

Mostly b/c I dare to disagree with her from time to time.

I probably vote Dem 70-80% of the time.

 

[outside shooter]

My daughter (26) considers Biden to be Trump-lite.

 

[Harry Hondo]

My daughter (26) considers Biden to be Trump-lite.

I was going to say, in Aloha's day democrats and republicans were much similar and it wasn't a radical jump from one party to the other. Young people today place diversity and inclusion at the top of their agenda as a human, hence we have them using their "pronouns they like to be referred to as." I work in a environment where a lot of older liberals play along and you see in their email signature they have their pronoun preferences. I'm liberal, but it's not me nor my wife's inclination to play along. It doesn't bother us, we just think it's a silly and not necessary.

 

[zeke4ahs]

A bigger problem for the GOP than courting ethnic and gender demographics is dealing with generational drift.

Younger people seem to be adamantly for the social issues pushed by the left and opposed by the right, such as equity for LGBTQ, child care support, health care, climate change reforms, etc.

I look at my children's circle of friends and I don't see anywhere near the 50-50 divide I see in my generation. It is more like 90-10 DEM. Of course, they tend not to vote. But that will change as they get older, or as they become more motivated. That could make a difference as the dinosaurs die off.

We’ll see but I think the social issues are going to continue to play against Republicans, particularly with the new Supreme Court. Most of my girls were not very political. Now their social media is chock full of politics . We’ll see if it lasts.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

This might be controversial but, if the Republican party wants to become the champion of the poor and the lower middle class they're going to run into the same problems the Dems did. They're going to need policy solutions which will benefit those groups. The disaffected and disillusioned from our current economy, etc.

That hasn't typically been the bailiwick of the Chamber of Commerce type Republicans.

That being said, I think this realignment is real and will be one of the great shifts in the parties when we look back 20-30 years from now.

Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street republicans are far more likely to be able to offer meaningful employment (and therefore societal gain) to citizens than can their academic, don’t-hold-a-real-job counterparts on the Left.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Younger people seem to be adamantly for the social issues pushed by the left and opposed by the right, such as equity for LGBTQ, child care support, health care, climate change reforms, etc.

And why do you think that is? I’ll give you a hint: here’s how you spell INDOCTRINATION.

 

[GuyDatHoo]

Great Ben Shapiro episode today on this very topic. Everyone give it a listen.

 

[outside shooter]

And why do you think that is? I’ll give you a hint: here’s how you spell INDOCTRINATION.

I was certainly indoctrinated from a young age, 60s/70s, to believe things like
-being gay is shameful and a bad choice
-we've fixed racial disparities, now, and minorities need to just shut up and work harder
-ditto for women
-this country is a Christian nation

It seems like there was always indoctrination, but now there is evidence-based guidance toward actual truths.

 

[larsIU]

Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street republicans are far more likely to be able to offer meaningful employment (and therefore societal gain) to citizens than can their academic, don’t-hold-a-real-job counterparts on the Left.

Um, then why did the jobs go to Mexico/Central America, China, and Vietnam in the 80's, 90's, 00's, etc.

 

[TDHoosier]

A bigger problem for the GOP than courting ethnic and gender demographics is dealing with generational drift.

Younger people seem to be adamantly for the social issues pushed by the left and opposed by the right, such as equity for LGBTQ, child care support, health care, climate change reforms, etc.

I look at my children's circle of friends and I don't see anywhere near the 50-50 divide I see in my generation. It is more like 90-10 DEM. Of course, they tend not to vote. But that will change as they get older, or as they become more motivated. That could make a difference as the dinosaurs die off.

I have two daughters (now 23 and 22) early on they were asked in school who they would vote for Obama and I believe Bush and they both proudly said Obama. I just laughed at the time and my wife said it will change.

Fast forward to my oldest daughters first job, she comes home and says "Dad I worked 25 hours this week at $10 so I can't wait to get my $250" I just laughed. A week later she comes walking in mad as hell. She then says "Dad why is it I only got $190.00 (not exact but close)?" We then discussed taxes and wages and she was still not a happy camper. I just laughed and my wife then said that change we discussed back when it is beginning and we both laughed.

 

[zeke4ahs]

And why do you think that is? I’ll give you a hint: here’s how you spell INDOCTRINATION.

Lol. Why do you think that? The young people I work with are pretty damn smart and aren’t being indoctrinated by anyone. They are actually pretty strong in their beliefs and many of them do not align with what’s going on in the extreme wings of the GOP these days…. The wing that has control of the party.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I have two daughters (now 23 and 22) early on they were asked in school who they would vote for Obama and I believe Bush and they both proudly said Obama. I just laughed at the time and my wife said it will change.

Fast forward to my oldest daughters first job, she comes home and says "Dad I worked 25 hours this week at $10 so I can't wait to get my $250" I just laughed. A week later she comes walking in mad as hell. She then says "Dad why is it I only got $190.00 (not exact but close)?" We then discussed taxes and wages and she was still not a happy camper. I just laughed and my wife then said that change we discussed back when it is beginning and we both laughed.

You surely don’t think Republicans will lower her taxes or try to get her higher wages? Or try to lower gas gouging ?

 

[IUCrazy2]

I was going to say, in Aloha's day democrats and republicans were much similar and it wasn't a radical jump from one party to the other. Young people today place diversity and inclusion at the top of their agenda as a human, hence we have them using their "pronouns they like to be referred to as." I work in a environment where a lot of older liberals play along and you see in their email signature they have their pronoun preferences. I'm liberal, but it's not me nor my wife's inclination to play along. It doesn't bother us, we just think it's a silly and not necessary.

The young are good consumers of "The Message". Most young people know what you have to do to go along to get along and they fall in line. The people who enforce "The Message" and are true believers are authoritarian assholes who are zealots. They take "The Message" and spread it before them, with a sledge hammer. They come into organizations and lead them to gridlock and disarray.

Lefty scholar flees progressives' "real chilling effect" -- and joins free-market think tank instead

hotair.com

Who knew that breaking people down intersectionally would lead to antagonistic camps of people bound around their immutable characteristics?
Quite a few people actually. Quite a few. But most of them are dinosaurs who need to get out of the way so that these great folks can take over and spread their bright shining light to the world. Snort.

 

[larsIU]

I have two daughters (now 23 and 22) early on they were asked in school who they would vote for Obama and I believe Bush and they both proudly said Obama. I just laughed at the time and my wife said it will change.

Fast forward to my oldest daughters first job, she comes home and says "Dad I worked 25 hours this week at $10 so I can't wait to get my $250" I just laughed. A week later she comes walking in mad as hell. She then says "Dad why is it I only got $190.00 (not exact but close)?" We then discussed taxes and wages and she was still not a happy camper. I just laughed and my wife then said that change we discussed back when it is beginning and we both laughed.

Damn those Democrats and their police departments, fire departments, schools, roads.....

 

[outside shooter]

Fast forward to my oldest daughters first job, she comes home and says "Dad I worked 25 hours this week at $10 so I can't wait to get my $250" I just laughed. A week later she comes walking in mad as hell.

Wait until she spends a huge amount of her takehome pay on health care, and she spends enough time on it to learn that her country is unique in its inefficiency. Pay more to live less.

6 year old article, but other analyses suggest that it has only gotten way way worse

U.S. Healthcare is a Global Outlier, and Not in a Good Way

Americans spent more than $3 trillion, or 17.5% of GDP, on healthcare in 2015. Are they getting any bang for their buck?

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[zeke4ahs]

The young are good consumers of "The Message". Most young people know what you have to do to go along to get along and they fall in line. The people who enforce "The Message" and are true believers are authoritarian assholes who are zealots. They take "The Message" and spread it before them, with a sledge hammer. They come into organizations and lead them to gridlock and disarray.

Lefty scholar flees progressives' "real chilling effect" -- and joins free-market think tank instead

hotair.com

Who knew that breaking people down intersectionally would lead to antagonistic camps of people bound around their immutable characteristics?
Quite a few people actually. Quite a few. But most of them are dinosaurs who need to get out of the way so that these great folks can take over and spread their bright shining light to the world. Snort.

You guys need to be around more young people.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Lol. Why do you think that? The young people I work with are pretty damn smart and aren’t being indoctrinated by anyone. They are actually pretty strong in their beliefs and many of them do not align with what’s going on in the extreme wings of the GOP these days…. The wing that has control of the party.

Conservative here who was once young, when I got around people I knew who were liberal and they were spouting off stuff that I did not agree with, I tended to just go along to get along.

We knew our opinion wasn't always the most popular and the freak out when you would be in these groups when you would share a contra opinion tended to lead you to just not say anything at all.

If we got into a political talk in the real world and you did not know me, I wouldn't let you know where I stand. I have found that left leaning people take that political pushback poorly. The "unfriend me if you think X" stuff I see come across my social media and among acquaintances is almost 100 to 0 a left politically leaning person sharing those sentiments. Conservatives learn young to just keep it to ourselves in certain environments and a college campus like IU is one of those places.

 

[GuyDatHoo]

Wait until she spends a huge amount of her takehome pay on health care, and she spends enough time on it to learn that her country is unique in its inefficiency. Pay more to live less.

6 year old article, but other analyses suggest that it has only gotten way way worse

U.S. Healthcare is a Global Outlier, and Not in a Good Way

Americans spent more than $3 trillion, or 17.5% of GDP, on healthcare in 2015. Are they getting any bang for their buck?

www.visualcapitalist.com

This graph tells me that we need to do something about the fatties and black youths need to stop killing each other.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Lol. Why do you think that? The young people I work with are pretty damn smart and aren’t being indoctrinated by anyone. They are actually pretty strong in their beliefs and many of them do not align with what’s going on in the extreme wings of the GOP these days…. The wing that has control of the party.

Well for a few reasons:

• They have a Mob mentality about issues
• They don’t seek debate they seek silence
• They have zero real world experience yet they think that what their professors and social media tell them is gospel

The extreme left is every bit as crazy as the extreme right.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

You guys need to be around more young people.

Not sure we need them indoctrinating young people lol Stick them in a padded room with fox news running and label it a lost cause at this point.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Um, then why did the jobs go to Mexico/Central America, China, and Vietnam in the 80's, 90's, 00's, etc.

Gee I don’t know, NAFTA?

 

[outside shooter]

This graph tells me that we need to do something about the fatties and black youths need to stop killing each other.

And do something about the cheap 40 year old generic drug that I take and that my insurance stopped covering, a drug that from Canadian pharmacies is 30 pills for $7, while for me in the good old USA is 30 pills for $78.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Wait until she spends a huge amount of her takehome pay on health care, and she spends enough time on it to learn that her country is unique in its inefficiency. Pay more to live less.

6 year old article, but other analyses suggest that it has only gotten way way worse

U.S. Healthcare is a Global Outlier, and Not in a Good Way

Americans spent more than $3 trillion, or 17.5% of GDP, on healthcare in 2015. Are they getting any bang for their buck?

www.visualcapitalist.com

Is there a normalization of that graph to account for infant mortality?

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

And do something about the cheap 40 year old generic drug that I take and that my insurance stopped covering, a drug that from Canadian pharmacies is 30 pills for $7, while for me in the good old USA is 30 pills for $78.

Which drug is that? Is it rare?

 

[GuyDatHoo]

And do something about the cheap 40 year old generic drug that I take and that my insurance stopped covering, a drug that from Canadian pharmacies is 30 pills for $7, while for me in the good old USA is 30 pills for $78.

You are not allowed to criticize pharma companies, so stop.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Well for a few reasons:

• They have a Mob mentality about issues
• They don’t seek debate they seek silence
• They have zero real world experience yet they think that what their professors and social media tell them is gospel

The extreme left is every bit as crazy as the extreme right.

And they have way more power and a bigger bullhorn than the extreme right.

 

[larsIU]

Gee I don’t know, NAFTA?

And where were the CoC Republicans on that one?

That's right. Lined up behind Big Bill C

Edit to add: Both parties were happy to sell poor/lower/middle income Americans down the river for profit.

 

[outside shooter]

Is there a normalization of that graph to account for infant mortality?

I don't think it is adjusted in any way to precisely figure out for which stage of life the USA's health care system is most inefficient. Just that it is, overall, INCREDIBLY inefficient in lengthening lifespan and in using money productively.

 

[GuyDatHoo]

Which drug is that? Is it rare?

Abacavir I believe.

 

[outside shooter]

Another for the ignore list. Don't need to hear from the bigots and homophobes.

It's a minor not widely-used mediciation to correct a slight abnormality that was creeping up in my blood work a few years back, something that an endocrinologist suggested. When I was a fatty I took about 6 things: for BP, for cholesterol, for pre-diabetes... I ditched all of those when I dropped some pounds. Now just two meds.

 

[snarlcakes]

Damn those Democrats and their police departments, fire departments, schools, roads.....

Throw in a military(smaller then the one we have), school choice, and we have a deal😁 Then we can cut the rest 🫣

 

[cosmickid]

I have two daughters (now 23 and 22) early on they were asked in school who they would vote for Obama and I believe Bush and they both proudly said Obama. I just laughed at the time and my wife said it will change.

Fast forward to my oldest daughters first job, she comes home and says "Dad I worked 25 hours this week at $10 so I can't wait to get my $250" I just laughed. A week later she comes walking in mad as hell. She then says "Dad why is it I only got $190.00 (not exact but close)?" We then discussed taxes and wages and she was still not a happy camper. I just laughed and my wife then said that change we discussed back when it is beginning and we both laughed.

That doesn't even make sense, since it is people on the left who advocate for workers to make more money. I don't know of anyone on the Left who feel that $10/hr is a fair wage for either of your daughters to make...

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I don't think it is adjusted in any way to precisely figure out for which stage of life the USA's health care system is most inefficient. Just that it is, overall, INCREDIBLY inefficient in lengthening lifespan and in using money productively.

No argument. We’d argue over the leading causes.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

And where were the CoC Republicans on that one?

That's right. Lined up behind Big Bill C

Edit to add: Both parties were happy to sell poor/lower/middle income Americans down the river for profit.

It’s more about who learns from and corrects the mistakes. Democratic policy has pushed deeper and deeper into globalization and academic economics. While I think trickle-down is bullshit, the average Main Street Republican is going to be far more likely to provide successful employment for the long term than the Main Street Democrat cause-head.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Abacavir I believe.

Stop it

 

[larsIU]

It’s more about who learns from and corrects the mistakes. Democratic policy has pushed deeper and deeper into globalization and academic economics. While I think trickle-down is bullshit, the average Main Street Republican is going to be far more likely to provide successful employment for the long term than the Main Street Democrat cause-head.

Be interesting to see where unions end up at the end of the realignment.