The Constitution
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When stopping to think about it, it really is amazing how almost everybody has voluntarily accepted the lockdown?
Rightly or wrongly, I think that time has run out.
Is it that incredible? What was the home front like during WWII? Food was rationed, clothes were just about illegal to sell, fuel was strictly rationed. Along coasts people were required to follow blackout rules.
"Patriotism" has a whole different meaning nowadays. Now it's all about the individual, not the country as a whole.
I always liked McCain's "Country First" slogan. Too bad so few people find it worthwhile.
You seem like a smart guy, certainly I don’t need to explain the difference.
I obviously did not live thru that time but I have this eerie feeling that people were more self reliant.
So you agree that we can restrict the Constitution in an emergency?
We now see a president's valet has tested positive. When we discuss opening up but locking high risk people down, this shows how very tough that would be.
Then why does that difference matter between ww2 and corona? Also a large number of cities did what we are doing today in the Spanish Flu.
Yes sir but I'm not sure there is a viable alternative.
Oops...I didn't type that right. My bad. Let me try again...
Unfortunately, I think there's a different word with "self" in it that is more applicable today.
I somewhat agree. But I think distancing and masks help. I was just hearing that only one person in the West Wing wears a mask.
If we do not want the government to shut down business, should we not voluntarily social distance, wear masks, wash our hands? If people will not do that, and there are people on this board saying they refuse those precautions, the alternatives are very bad.
He is "a president".. Just mistyped in a hurry.
Haha if you want to call him that
Distancing and hygiene help with lowering transmission of most infections.
Personally, I would attend an outside sporting event (baseball, football,golf) tomorrow.
I also understand why some wouldn't.
I don't want to, but alas it is technically correct. I am very much looking forward to calling him "ex president".
And before anyone goes there with the post on the virus, I hope he does not have it and, if he does, it is mild.
For me, it would depend on the crowd. I wouldn't attend a packed baseball game any more than a movie. But IF Bloomington has their outdoor musical concerts and I can sit 5 feet away from others, I think I would do it (and wear a mask).
Dang it! Either I missed it or saw it and subconsciously took credit for the find!
You're a better man than me, Marvin. Of course, everyone already knows that.
Looks like you've learned that if you set your standards low, they're easier to live up to.
I do not know about you, I have always said one cannot be me and have self-respect.
That shows you need to adjust your standard for self respect.
Does the Constitution protect us against freedom loving asymptomatic carriers of the virus who can infect us?
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There is no specific exception in the Constitution for viruses, pandemics, plagues, none of that. So no, their freedoms can't be abridged.
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No and it doesn't protect you from burglars either or any criminals. That's not what the Constitution does. It protects you and all citizens as well as non-citizens lawfully in the country from the federal government (and by the 14th Amendment from state government) - in brief. It sets out the limits on the powers of the federal government.
You have the right to stay home.
Once again, my constitutional rights do not end the moment your fear begins.
Why should I stay home?,
I feel fine.
Heck, why should I be afraid.? I must be immune as others in my household have been really sick. .
Fortunately, those who define patriotism this way are a much smaller group. You look at the poll numbers and the vast majority think we're opening up too soon.
Try yelling fire in a crowded theater and see what happens. Your Constitutional rights end once you put others in danger. I can't understand the argument that your rights are more important than your neighbor's life.
I think it's easy to say it's an overreaction, because the death toll isn't near the projected worst case scenarios, but what if we didn't have the shutdown, what would the death toll be? What if we had 200,000 deaths in 8 weeks and a million+ in 6 months? I think those saying it's overreaction is because the shutdown and social distancing has worked and the death toll has not ballooned to huge numbers.
Give it time. If you look at the national graph, it looks like it's leveling off. If you look at the graph of NYC, you'll see it's on a downward slope. But if you look at the national graph without NYC, it's still climbing at a relatively linear rate.\
Correction: The graphs referred to above reflect new cases, not deaths.
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