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The 2 Separate Stimulus/Infrastructure Bills, And Progressives Tying Them Together.

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since i don't see this being discussed anywhere here, i'll bring it up.

a Cliff Notes synopsis on why they are being tied by Dem "progressives", and not by Dem "moderates"

but first a quick definition of terms. (and a note on how horribly inept and incompetent Dems, especially progressives, are at labeling/messaging/branding).

"Dem Progressives", Dems that are pro working class more so than Wall St/investor class puppets.

"Dem Moderates", Dems that while usually liberal on social policy, are literally owned by Wall St on everything economic.
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Pubs do not have 60, or even 50, votes in the senate.

Dems do not have 60 votes in the senate, and pro working class Dems, (progressives), don't even have 50.

but you know who does have 60 votes in the senate, and a clear majority in the house?

Wall St, that's who.

and they got those votes the old fashion way.. they bought them.

Wall St wants the smaller infrastructure bill that's already passed, because so much of that money will go directly to Wall St. (why that bill passed. DUH).

Wall St doesn't support the bigger bill that deals with expanded medicare benefits, child care, global warming, child subsidies for families, etc, but includes tax hikes on Wall St and the wealthy. (why it hasn't passed).

all that money in the larger bill will quickly trickle "up" to Wall St anyway, (money always trickles up), but much of it doesn't go straight there first, and there is that tax hike on corps and the investor class thing.

the pro working class Dems who rarely if ever get anything for the working class, have figured out that the only chance the working class and poor have to get anything from our now oligarchy, is to inextricably tie it to the bill Wall St does want.

in other words, if none for the working class and poor, then none for Wall St either.

since there are no pro working class Pubs, (at least none that vote that way), and Wall St puppet Dems, (moderates), always vote as Wall St tells them just as all Pubs do, it will come down to does Wall St want all the trillions in goodies for them in both bills more than they don't want the tax hikes on them, if the pro working class Dems actually do stick to their guns and hold out for both or nothing.

since Wall St literally controls the senate on everything economic, in the end, it will come down to does Wall St think the pluses for them with both bills outweighs the minuses of tax hikes on them and the investor class, if they can't just get the trillions in Wall St stimulus without the tax hikes on them.

Wall St has become used to getting only what they want, without any of the downsides like helping pay for it.

will be interesting to see if Wall St is willing to take even a little downside, to get a ridiculously huge upside.

would seem a no brainer, but not when Wall St and the investor class is now so used to getting only what it wants, on everything, all the time, without giving up anything ever.


and on a side note, the idiot progressives need to quit calling themselves "progressives" and their Dem counterparts "moderates", and just go with labeling themselves pro working class Dems, and everyone else, (including all Pubs), as pro Wall St/investor class puppets, since that's the real breakdown anyway.
 
since i don't see this being discussed anywhere here, i'll bring it up.

a Cliff Notes synopsis on why they are being tied by Dem "progressives", and not by Dem "moderates"

but first a quick definition of terms. (and a note on how horribly inept and incompetent Dems, especially progressives, are at labeling/messaging/branding).

"Dem Progressives", Dems that are pro working class more so than Wall St/investor class puppets.

"Dem Moderates", Dems that while usually liberal on social policy, are literally owned by Wall St on everything economic.
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Pubs do not have 60, or even 50, votes in the senate.

Dems do not have 60 votes in the senate, and pro working class Dems, (progressives), don't even have 50.

but you know who does have 60 votes in the senate, and a clear majority in the house?

Wall St, that's who.

and they got those votes the old fashion way.. they bought them.

Wall St wants the smaller infrastructure bill that's already passed, because so much of that money will go directly to Wall St. (why that bill passed. DUH).

Wall St doesn't support the bigger bill that deals with expanded medicare benefits, child care, global warming, child subsidies for families, etc, but includes tax hikes on Wall St and the wealthy. (why it hasn't passed).

all that money in the larger bill will quickly trickle "up" to Wall St anyway, (money always trickles up), but much of it doesn't go straight there first, and there is that tax hike on corps and the investor class thing.

the pro working class Dems who rarely if ever get anything for the working class, have figured out that the only chance the working class and poor have to get anything from our now oligarchy, is to inextricably tie it to the bill Wall St does want.

in other words, if none for the working class and poor, then none for Wall St either.

since there are no pro working class Pubs, (at least none that vote that way), and Wall St puppet Dems, (moderates), always vote as Wall St tells them just as all Pubs do, it will come down to does Wall St want all the trillions in goodies for them in both bills more than they don't want the tax hikes on them, if the pro working class Dems actually do stick to their guns and hold out for both or nothing.

since Wall St literally controls the senate on everything economic, in the end, it will come down to does Wall St think the pluses for them with both bills outweighs the minuses of tax hikes on them and the investor class, if they can't just get the trillions in Wall St stimulus without the tax hikes on them.

Wall St has become used to getting only what they want, without any of the downsides like helping pay for it.

will be interesting to see if Wall St is willing to take even a little downside, to get a ridiculously huge upside.

would seem a no brainer, but not when Wall St and the investor class is now so used to getting only what it wants, on everything, all the time, without giving up anything ever.


and on a side note, the idiot progressives need to quit calling themselves "progressives" and their Dem counterparts "moderates", and just go with labeling themselves pro working class Dems, and everyone else, (including all Pubs), as pro Wall St/investor class puppets, since that's the real breakdown anyway.
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A lot of research went into bio-warfare in earlier yrs, but it fell into disfavor when, among other things, it became obvious that even if it could be carried out, it couldn't be controlled very well, so your own people would be harmed eventually by it too,,,

..But the Chinese figured out a solution...They don't care... If a bug wipes out 350M Americans and 350M Chinese, there will still be 900M Chinese left to take things over;)
 
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since i don't see this being discussed anywhere here, i'll bring it up.

a Cliff Notes synopsis on why they are being tied by Dem "progressives", and not by Dem "moderates"

but first a quick definition of terms. (and a note on how horribly inept and incompetent Dems, especially progressives, are at labeling/messaging/branding).

"Dem Progressives", Dems that are pro working class more so than Wall St/investor class puppets.

"Dem Moderates", Dems that while usually liberal on social policy, are literally owned by Wall St on everything economic.
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Pubs do not have 60, or even 50, votes in the senate.

Dems do not have 60 votes in the senate, and pro working class Dems, (progressives), don't even have 50.

but you know who does have 60 votes in the senate, and a clear majority in the house?

Wall St, that's who.

and they got those votes the old fashion way.. they bought them.

Wall St wants the smaller infrastructure bill that's already passed, because so much of that money will go directly to Wall St. (why that bill passed. DUH).

Wall St doesn't support the bigger bill that deals with expanded medicare benefits, child care, global warming, child subsidies for families, etc, but includes tax hikes on Wall St and the wealthy. (why it hasn't passed).

all that money in the larger bill will quickly trickle "up" to Wall St anyway, (money always trickles up), but much of it doesn't go straight there first, and there is that tax hike on corps and the investor class thing.

the pro working class Dems who rarely if ever get anything for the working class, have figured out that the only chance the working class and poor have to get anything from our now oligarchy, is to inextricably tie it to the bill Wall St does want.

in other words, if none for the working class and poor, then none for Wall St either.

since there are no pro working class Pubs, (at least none that vote that way), and Wall St puppet Dems, (moderates), always vote as Wall St tells them just as all Pubs do, it will come down to does Wall St want all the trillions in goodies for them in both bills more than they don't want the tax hikes on them, if the pro working class Dems actually do stick to their guns and hold out for both or nothing.

since Wall St literally controls the senate on everything economic, in the end, it will come down to does Wall St think the pluses for them with both bills outweighs the minuses of tax hikes on them and the investor class, if they can't just get the trillions in Wall St stimulus without the tax hikes on them.

Wall St has become used to getting only what they want, without any of the downsides like helping pay for it.

will be interesting to see if Wall St is willing to take even a little downside, to get a ridiculously huge upside.

would seem a no brainer, but not when Wall St and the investor class is now so used to getting only what it wants, on everything, all the time, without giving up anything ever.


and on a side note, the idiot progressives need to quit calling themselves "progressives" and their Dem counterparts "moderates", and just go with labeling themselves pro working class Dems, and everyone else, (including all Pubs), as pro Wall St/investor class puppets, since that's the real breakdown anyway.
Is there no space in your worldview for citizens who don't want to see unfunded government expansions, and therefore vote for like-minded representatives?
 
Is there no space in your worldview for citizens who don't want to see unfunded government expansions, and therefore vote for like-minded representatives?

the Dems pushing the social stimulus want it funded.

Wall St and the investor class are the ones who don't..

thus why they are killing it despite it's great popularity with voters, and lots of goodies for Wall St as well.

take out the part where they "fund" it, which is very popular with voters on both sides of the isle, and it instantly passes.

nice try though. (ok, pretty pathetic beyond belief, but i was giving you a participation trophy for trying).
 
the Dems pushing the social stimulus want it funded.

Wall St and the investor class are the ones who don't..

thus why they are killing it despite it's great popularity with voters, and lots of goodies for Wall St as well.

take out the part where they "fund" it, which is very popular with voters on both sides of the isle, and it instantly passes.

nice try though. (ok, pretty pathetic beyond belief, but i was giving you a participation trophy for trying).
And those of us in the middle are left paying the bill. We've seen how this plays out many times before. The programs stay, and the funding gets cut as soon as the GOP gets its chance.

I'm not saying do nothing. But a more frugal approach might be more defensible in 2022.
 
Sinema and Manchin won't vote for the social stimulus, because of the tax increases on Wall St and the investor class.

any other reason is total and complete BS.

that can't come out and say that, because that wouldn't fly with voters even if they switched parties.

this is Sinema delivering Wall St and the rich's answer to anything that would help the working class and cost Wall St and the rich anything.

she is what she is, as is Manchin.

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Sinema and Manchin won't vote for the social stimulus, because of the tax increases on Wall St and the investor class.

any other reason is total and complete BS.

that can't come out and say that, because that wouldn't fly with voters even if they switched parties.

this is Sinema delivering Wall St and the rich's answer to anything that would help the working class and cost Wall St and the rich anything.

she is what she is, as is Manchin.

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Your description of these bills doesn't add up, from what I've been watching. I'll wait for others.
 
it isn't just taxes on Wall St and the investor class, it's also medicare being able to negotiate pharma prices.

will be interesting to see if medicare negotiating drug prices in the bill gets disappeared in any negotiations.
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As Mylan hiked the price of EpiPens from $100 to $600, Manchin’s daughter’s salary rose from $2.4 million to nearly $19 million. “Last year, Mylan CEO Heather Bresch was chided by lawmakers for her compensation, which rose sharply in recent years, largely in step with the price of EpiPens.
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Amy Goodman
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July 29, 2021




More than 1,400 workers in West Virginia are set to lose their jobs this week when the Viatris pharmaceuticals plant in Morgantown shuts down and moves operations overseas to India and Australia. Workers say they've had no response to their urgent requests for help from their Democratic senator, Joe Manchin, who is often called the most powerful man in Washington. Viatris was formed through a merger between two pharmaceutical companies, Mylan and Upjohn. Mylan's chief executive, Manchin's daughter Heather Bresch, got a $31 million payout as a result of the corporate consolidation before the new company set about cutting costs, including the closure of the Morgantown plant.
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Meanwhile, Sinema has echoed lobbyist talking points surrounding the reconciliation bill, digging in on her opposition to the $3.5 trillion price tag. She is reportedly telling colleagues that she will not support any sort of tax hikes on corporations and the wealthy, which lobbyists have been railing against. Her fundraiser comes during a critical week for the reconciliation bill in Congress — and for lobbyists who have spent tens of millions to kill parts of the package.


Sinema’s lobbyist ties have also been made evident by her opposition to a major funding plan that would allow the government to negotiate for lower prescription drug prices. Though she campaigned on lowering prescription drug prices in 2018, she has come out against the plan that is estimated to raise between $540 billion and $700 billion over the next decade.


Reporting has found that Sinema has received over half a million dollars from the pharmaceutical industry in her career, including over $120,000 between 2019 and 2020 — even though she’s not up for re-election until 2024.
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this isn't about the price tag, it's about who Manchin and Sinema represent, and don't represent.

no doubt there is tons of crap in the bill that needs weeded out, but that isn't what's holding back Manchin and Sinema.
 
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