Texas Lt Governor thinks senior citizens

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  1. IUJIM

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    Not this one. That being said, I understand that I am male, and have very little input in the choice of abortion or not. Maybe that is how it should be.
    I for one, though, would go through great pains to avoid an abortion, if it were up to me. IMO, it is one of the most vile acts ever created by man, or woman.
     
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  2. hoot1

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    Rationing has to exist in a publicly funded system. This is why there will always be private insurance for those who can afford it just as in France and other countries.
     
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    Or those who can afford to come to the US for care. Lots of anecdotes about Canadians coming to US. Mexico is also becoming a medical tourism destination. But then US has a black market for prescription drugs from Canada so there is that.
     
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    Have a friend who traveled to Thailand for bariatric surgery. Came home thinner along with a girlfriend from Bangkok.
     
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    Sooo . . . it's not clear how he lost the weight?
     
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    OK . . . but in IUJIMworld, who gets to decide whether a woman can have an abortion legally? Is that something that the government can deny the woman, if it's her decision that having an abortion is the right thing to do in her circumstances? Or is there freedom for the woman to make a decision - good or bad - without governmental interference?

    That's the real choice that government officials have to decide on . . . are they in a position to decide for all women what the decision must be, or do they determine that they're not the person(s) to make that call for every woman?

    What's the call in IUJIMworld?
     
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    Is viagra cheaper in Thailand?
     
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    I believe we are long past the govt denying abortions. That being said, I do hold out hope that something is done about late term abortions. Once again, I understand that my role in this, as a male, means nothing. So what happens in my little IUJIMworld is really irrelevant.
     
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    His wallet is probably lighter. "Hey, GI, you take me land of big PX"
     
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    You’re being too kind. This view that America needs to just throw up their hands is a refusal to acknowledge facts. They want to ignore science. Some do these folks are the same people who believe the earth is 5000 years old. I don’t mind their stupidity when it comes to things like that but I am really pissed off when they are espousing this view that could kill millions and millions of people. It’s too difficult for them to extrapolate anything beyond what they can see in their neighborhood.

    25% of the US population say thinks the earth sun revolves around the earth. And a similar percentage believe that humans and dinosaurs cohabitated the earth. The man in charge of the coronavirus team does not acknowledge the theory of evolution. The President said he would bring in the best people gets most of his advice from his son-in-law. And now Trump wants to pack the churches on Easter Sunday.

    There are people on this board preaching that we should just go back to normal next week. And one of the moderators told me I’m the one that needs to calm down. I don’t get it! And the Gallup poll says it’s 60% of the population supports Trump’s handling of the pandemic. Hong Kong flu killed about 100,000 Americans in 1968. I’m afraid there may not be a seachange in the perception of this difficulty until they are a quarter of 1 million deaths.
     
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    The most powerful force in the world is "it won't happen to me".
     
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    This is an outstanding post. Thank you very much for sharing.
     
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    I don't think you are loony or lack empathy, but until I get a feel for the timeline you are looking at, it's hard to comment.

    Based on the experience of other countries and the comments of experts the US is approximately 3 weeks from the peak with current lockdown measures. And even in Italy they are still seeing days of record infections and deaths to this day.

    If you are saying that the US must reopen (to some degree) in 3-4 weeks, then that is insane. To reopen at the peak of infection IMO will double down of the effect on the medical system and economy.

    There is undoubtedly going to be an incredible impact on the economy and Americans are going to have to make sacrifices for sure. And that's something many Americans don't seem willing to make. I get that the economy can't take this indefinitely, but opening too soon will not only resolve it, but will likely exacerbate the situation.
     
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    They just don't call them death panels but essentially that's what they are and it is by necessity because resources are limited even in the best of times.
     
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    I’m not saying that the US must open in two or three weeks. I’m saying that this is unsustainable in the mid to long term. If the virus does not die off as the weather dries up, and vaccine is a ways away, hard decisions will need to be made. Otherwise we’ll be at an unemployment percentage that can lead to the downfall of the republic.
     
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    Here is a sobering response to the rosy WH outlook. Feel free to look this guy up. He’s the real deal.

     
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    Scarcity is a man-made construct and a lie.

    In Slovenia, the socially owned system is far better at keeping the equipment operating full time, thus requiring fewer machines. The US by contrast is flooded with hospitals in certain areas. How come the shortage?
     
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    Oh in Slovenia. Well **** they are the same as us we can easily adopt everything ****ing Slovenia does.

    Let’s check on what Vanuatu is doing too.
     
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    Slovenia is about the sizes of New Jersey, geographically, and has the population of about New Mexico - less than a quarter the population of New Jersey.

    I don't know how to do that math . . . I'd have to think about it for a bit to discern whether there's anything there for us to consider favorably, and I don't have the time or inclination right now.

    I guess the point is that in a federal system like we have in the US there may be lessons to learn from the Slovenia experience, and those lessons may have limited or different application in various parts of the US. So you're right in the sense that we ought not to do what Slovenia did just because it's been done before . . . but I'd also argue that rejecting any wisdom that might be drawn from the Slovenia experience might also be a mistake.
     
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    The government owning the entire system including the equipment isn't something I foresee even in a Medicare 4 all system which we might adopt. I see the health care delivery system and employees working in a privately owned system as we currently have.

    The rationing I was referring to would be care not included in a Medicare 4 all plan whereby the cost of some procedures given the patient's prognosis would not be covered. The patient would have to pay for the procedure out of pocket or have private insurance..
     
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    Correct. How does their success in having fewer people in a geographical area overlay with our experience of having much higher expenses and fewer operators in rural areas in the U.S.? What's the scalability of what they've been able to do? How does their system advantages and disadvantages compare to Singapore (more private components)? To Canada (similar geographic area)? There's a lot to learn and I'm skeptical when people (not saying that Ranger is one of them) just throw up their hands and say "that won't work here because we're different".
     
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    I pray for folks like you Hoot1. My Dad is 87 and in the nursing home so he is quarantined just because the nursing home won't let people in to visit. This makes me happy because he is safe.
     
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    Didn't we lose 13k in 2009-10 because of the swine flu? This was just in the U.S. How come we didn't shut down everything back then? I hear people say that this virus is so much more dangerous. I am not sure I buy that because almost everyone who gets this virus continues to live. It's the elderly and those with bad immune systems for a variety of reasons that we have to watch out for. I am in favor of those people being quarantined. But does everyone have to? If you quarantine those in danger and let everyone else get the virus then the virus will die out.
     
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    Stick to being a fake pastor, and let T.rump handle being a fake doctor.
     
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    Those deaths took place over 16-18 months. We may lose that many by mid April.
     
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    Young people do not die, but they are being hospitalized at a high rate.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/coronavirus-young-people-hospitalized-covid-19-chart/

    So if they get infected too fast they too will overwhelm medicine. Also if you Google it, hospitalized people tend to suffer permanent lung damage.

    How do we quasi quarantine. Does the kid go to school and back home to a parent battling cancer? Does the nurse at a nursing home hang out at a party then go to work? Do the elderly church members get a visit by you after you greeted a young adult group? How do 70 year olds get food, shopping next to people who attended a baseball game a week before?

    We may need to start opening
     
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    VPM, being safe is important.

    However, as a friend who owns several high end nursing homes once told me, "We provide luxury, but there is one thing we cannot provide. The one thing being only the love that a family which visits can provide".
     
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    It’s so obvious you don’t think this is an emergency. The fact that you are still preaching in person is unconscionable. This bull headedness is a bit more serious than your stubborn rationalization of all things Trump.
     
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    Here is another problem with heading to normal too soon. 46% of medical people who take off protective gear infect themself. 1) what will the quarantined people going to do for doctors 2) what are the rest of us going to do. I am going to theorize that hurried people or tired people make more mistakes.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/...en-transfer-germs-when-removing-gloves-gowns/
     
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    As of yesterday 150 healthcare workers in Boston had tested positive for coronavirus.
     
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    Most folks get away saying more stupid things than the average Joe when they invoke religion.
     

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