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T.J. Leaf back on the board?

Not sure what the answer is for coaching IU - I just know Crean isn't it
As well as Sampson was not the right kind of guy. I just have a feeling if we make a change a lot of people will end up disappointed with the names that will be interested and we will have to go with an up and coming coach from a mid major, like Archie Miller. I am not sold on Miller yet but he would probably be the best bet on the up and coming coaches.
 
after the Celtics win 33 games this year, gas up the jet and head to Boston with a blank check.
They will make the Playoffs again and what makes you think Stevens would be interested in going back to the college game. It appears to me coaching in the NBA is a lot easier because you don't have to baby sit the players 24/7/365 like you do in college and you don't have to be out recruiting all year. After the NBA season or the draft the NBA coaches have a lot of off time where they can spend with their families and take vacations so why would Stevens want to go back to college.
 
They will make the Playoffs again and what makes you think Stevens would be interested in going back to the college game. It appears to me coaching in the NBA is a lot easier because you don't have to baby sit the players 24/7/365 like you do in college and you don't have to be out recruiting all year. After the NBA season or the draft the NBA coaches have a lot of off time where they can spend with their families and take vacations so why would Stevens want to go back to college.

82 regular season games is a traveling grind. Season goes from late September- May/June. Hell of a lot longer. If its so much easier, why are they paid so much more?

Stevens loves IU and would be his dream college job. IU basically recruits itself - lot easier job than having to re-build BX.
 
82 regular season games is a traveling grind. Season goes from late September- May/June. Hell of a lot longer. If its so much easier, why are they paid so much more?

Stevens loves IU and would be his dream college job. IU basically recruits itself - lot easier job than having to re-build BX.
Just reading this summer how Frank Vogel had taken two trips to the Caribean and was wondering when the last time Crean or any other college coach were able to take long vacations like that. To me coaching in the NBA would be a lot easier because all you have to worry about is basketball and nothing away from the court like recruiting, academics and making sure you kids are doing the right things. also I have heard that Stevens does not like recruiting and would especially not like recruiting the big time prospects.
 
That is objectively true. Not sure how anyone can argue with you.

Do people honestly think that IU is on the same level as UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas? When I hear IU fans talking about how we belong in that company and should have the same expectations, it makes me think of Arkansas fans who used to say the same thing 15 years ago.

We used to be one of the elites. Then we fired our boorish but brilliant head coach, retained his incompetent replacement, and fired a coach who could have gotten us back there for making too many phone calls. Then we hired Crean instead of Calipari, Pitino, or Stevens.

Look at every single decision the AD has made over the last 20 years. You can't do that and think that we are (or even want to be) a truly elite basketball program.


I think we CAN be elite again if we have the right AD and coach.

And without cheating like you want us to do.
 
Making the sweet 16 is not mediocre by the way because that means you are one of the final 16 teams left playing college basketball with over 370 division one teams. I guess that is one of the problems because people have very different definitions of what mediocre is.


If Kentucky only made the Sweet 16 every 3 years or so, they couldn't fire their coach fast enough.

If the Yankees only made the wild-card game every 4 years or so, they'd fire their manager pronto.
 
Sampson was a great coach and would almost certainly have had us back to contending regularly for national titles, so yes, I would have kept him.

The fact that he made too many phone calls is completely irrelevant to me, especially in light of the fact that the phone call restrictions got lifted the very next year. Other coaches and programs were doing the same thing and didn't have to suffer a virtual death penalty for it.

I still can't believe there is an IU fan out there that thought keeping Sampson would be a good idea because that would have been a travesty. Most IU fans never wanted the scumbag as coach in the first place an then he defies the rules again and being arrogant doing so.
 
I still can't believe there is an IU fan out there that thought keeping Sampson would be a good idea because that would have been a travesty. Most IU fans never wanted the scumbag as coach in the first place an then he defies the rules again and being arrogant doing so.


He thinks we should cheat to win.

Thank god most fans reject that.
 
They will make the Playoffs again and what makes you think Stevens would be interested in going back to the college game. It appears to me coaching in the NBA is a lot easier because you don't have to baby sit the players 24/7/365 like you do in college and you don't have to be out recruiting all year. After the NBA season or the draft the NBA coaches have a lot of off time where they can spend with their families and take vacations so why would Stevens want to go back to college.


NBA players don't need to be baby-sat?

LOL!!

Oh, and please show us where NBA people have allllllllllll this "time off."
 
Sampson was a great coach and would almost certainly have had us back to contending regularly for national titles, so yes, I would have kept him.

The fact that he made too many phone calls is completely irrelevant to me, especially in light of the fact that the phone call restrictions got lifted the very next year. Other coaches and programs were doing the same thing and didn't have to suffer a virtual death penalty for it.
that does not matter because it was against the rules at that time and he broke the rules anyways and we did the right thing in firing him. He should have never been hired in the first place and if it wasn't for the stupid president at the time he would have never been hired. The AD wanted to hire Belien at the time but was over ruled by the president. I just can't believe that a true IU fan could ever tolerate a known cheater and would want them representing Indiana University.
 
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Just reading this summer how Frank Vogel had taken two trips to the Caribean and was wondering when the last time Crean or any other college coach were able to take long vacations like that. To me coaching in the NBA would be a lot easier because all you have to worry about is basketball and nothing away from the court like recruiting, academics and making sure you kids are doing the right things. also I have heard that Stevens does not like recruiting and would especially not like recruiting the big time prospects.


You are clueless.

They have to watch tape so they know who to draft. They have to watch tape to know who to trade. They have to "recruit" when it comes to free agency.

And they most certainly do have to worry about players getting into trouble.

Why wouldn't Stevens want to recruit the "big time prospects"? Is it because he'd have to cheat to get them or because of egos? You mean the same egos he has to deal with in the NBA?

I'm not saying he's coming here....I'm saying your reasons are ridiculous.
 
By your (insane) standards, we have a "known cheater" representing us now. Tom Crean clearly violated the no-contact period with Gary Harris.

Is that any better than making too many phone calls? I would argue it is worse, since the no-contact periods are still in effect while even the NCAA realized the folly of the phone call restrictions.

It's about perspective and proportionality.

that does not matter because it was against the rules at that time and he broke the rules anyways and we did the right thing in firing him. He should have never been hired in the first place and if it wasn't for the stupid president at the time he would have never been hired. The AD wanted to hire Belien at the time but was over ruled by the president. I just can't believe that a true IU fan could ever tolerate a known cheater and would want them representing Indiana University.
 
NBA players don't need to be baby-sat?

LOL!!

Oh, and please show us where NBA people have allllllllllll this "time off."
From around July first or after summer league they are pretty much off until September so that is at least 3 months that NBA coaches have off where during the off season college caches spend most of that time on the road recruiting or having summer camps. No, NBA players don't have to be baby sit 24/7 because they are adults and if they get in trouble it is on them and not the coach.

Again if you are expecting Stevens to be our coach in the next year or two you will be totally disappointing because he is not coming anytime soon.
 
Crean's record says it. It's easy to see if you have even a passing knowledge of the game.

Crean has it going at IU. He will be at IU as long as he wants to. Great recruiter and one of the best bench coaches in the business. He is loved by the school President.
 
Sampson was a great coach and would almost certainly have had us back to contending regularly for national titles, so yes, I would have kept him.

The fact that he made too many phone calls is completely irrelevant to me, especially in light of the fact that the phone call restrictions got lifted the very next year. Other coaches and programs were doing the same thing and didn't have to suffer a virtual death penalty for it.


We didn't get the "death penalty" for "phone calls", we got it because he got busted for it, was told not to do it anymore, and kept doing it anyway and lied about it.

Big difference.
 
You are clueless.

They have to watch tape so they know who to draft. They have to watch tape to know who to trade. They have to "recruit" when it comes to free agency.

And they most certainly do have to worry about players getting into trouble.

Why wouldn't Stevens want to recruit the "big time prospects"? Is it because he'd have to cheat to get them or because of egos? You mean the same egos he has to deal with in the NBA?

I'm not saying he's coming here....I'm saying your reasons are ridiculous.
all of those things are done before July and after that they have pretty much until September off. also the nBA players are adults and don't need supervised 24/7 and when they get into trouble it is on them and not the coach.
 
LOL.

You can repeat this lie a thousand times, and it still won't be true.

No more true than if I accused you of killing hookers or being part of a child porn ring.


Says the clown who just said we should have taken Sampson even though he was a cheater....
 
And the very next year, the NCAA--in its infinite moral wisdom--concluded that the restrictions on phone calls were really not appropriate to begin with.

Sampson is like some guy who got arrested for "miscegenation" during the Jim Crow era and is still sitting in jail for it. There is absolutely zero moral weight to the NCAA's case against him.

We didn't get the "death penalty" for "phone calls", we got it because he got busted for it, was told not to do it anymore, and kept doing it anyway and lied about it.

Big difference.
 
By your (insane) standards, we have a "known cheater" representing us now. Tom Crean clearly violated the no-contact period with Gary Harris.

Is that any better than making too many phone calls? I would argue it is worse, since the no-contact periods are still in effect while even the NCAA realized the folly of the phone call restrictions.

It's about perspective and proportionality.
We never got any NCAA penalties for that and again I have high standards for the people representing the university where all you care about is winning at any cost and we don't need fans like that.
 
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From around July first or after summer league they are pretty much off until September so that is at least 3 months that NBA coaches have off where during the off season college caches spend most of that time on the road recruiting or having summer camps. No, NBA players don't have to be baby sit 24/7 because they are adults and if they get in trouble it is on them and not the coach.

Again if you are expecting Stevens to be our coach in the next year or two you will be totally disappointing because he is not coming anytime soon.


All our players are "adults" too.

And if an NBA coach has too many thugs on the team, it most certainly can cost him his job. Bad PR. Bad team chemistry.
 
I've got news for you, Scotty: you don't get to decide who is a fan and who is not.

And I bet that just steams you, doesn't it?

Guys like you would probably like to have a "purity test" to determine who gets to root for IU, let alone play for them...

We never got any NCAA penalties for that and again I have high standards for the people representing the university where all you care about is winning at any cost and we don't need fans like that.
 
And the very next year, the NCAA--in its infinite moral wisdom--concluded that the restrictions on phone calls were really not appropriate to begin with.

Sampson is like some guy who got arrested for "miscegenation" during the Jim Crow era and is still sitting in jail for it. There is absolutely zero moral weight to the NCAA's case against him.


So what? He still did it.

He got busted for it once, gave them the middle finger, and did it against anyway.
 
First of all, anyone who gives the NCAA the middle finger gets credit in my book. That organization is corrupt to the core and has absolutely no moral standing.

Second, the "it" that he did was such a vanishingly unimportant thing that the NCAA made "it" perfectly legal the following year.

I'm not going to cast stones and hold a lifelong grudge against someone for the NCAA equivalent of jaywalking.

So what? He still did it.

He got busted for it once, gave them the middle finger, and did it against anyway.
 
All our players are "adults" too.

And if an NBA coach has too many thugs on the team, it most certainly can cost him his job. Bad PR. Bad team chemistry.
the difference is that the GM is the ones who picks the players and it would be on him more than the coach if they bring in to many thugs. If the college coach brings to many bad kids in it is on him since he is the one bringing them in.
 
I've got news for you, Scotty: you don't get to decide who is a fan and who is not.

And I bet that just steams you, doesn't it?

Guys like you would probably like to have a "purity test" to determine who gets to root for IU, let alone play for them...
I just don't think fans like you who turn a blind eye to cheating as long as they win is what a true fan would do and to me if you want us to cheat then you are not a true IU fan.
 
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Seems to me that YOU'RE the one turning a blind eye to cheating. I've already proven to you that Crean has "cheated" more at IU than Calipari has at UK, yet you seem fine with it.

Could it be that you are exercising some judgment and proportionality around Crean's transgressions---much the same as I am doing with Sampson's?

If you're going to play the high-and-mighty moral zealot, you at least need to be consistent with your own insane standards.


I just don't think fans like you who turn a blind eye to cheating as long as they win is what a true fan would do and to me if you want us to cheat then you are not a true IU fan.
 
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Seems to me that YOU'RE the one turning a blind eye to cheating. I've already proven to you that Crean has "cheated" more at IU than Calipari has at UK, yet you seem fine with it.

Could it be that you are exercising some judgment and proportionality around Crean's transgressions---much the same as I am doing with Sampson's?

Sorry, but if you're going to play the high-and-mighty moral zealot, you at least need to be consistent with your own insane standards.
He was off one day off on the date for recruiting and was self reported and we never received a penalty for that violation. Your thinking just lumps us in with UK fans which IU fans use to look down upon because they condoned cheating as long as they won. UK has been penalized more than any program in the country and you want us to be just like them. If you like UK so much then why not be a fan of theirs and let IU fans stand for something that we are proud of.

Another difference between Sampson and Crean is that Sampson was a known cheater before he got here and snubbed his nose to the rules where Crean has never been in trouble at all.
 
LOL! Do you think it was an accident? A mistake? Please. Crean is a lot of things, but "stupid" is not one of them. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Yet you are willing to excuse this known and self-admitted cheater? Interesting. Maybe even a little, dare I say it, hypocritical.

Seems that you're the one who is more like a UK fan, Scotty. Maybe you should switch sides and let true IU fans build a winning basketball program instead of a vacation bible school?

He was off one day off on the date for recruiting and was self reported and we never received a penalty for that violation. Your thinking just lumps us in with UK fans which IU fans use to look down upon because they condoned cheating as long as they won. UK has been penalized more than any program in the country and you want us to be just like them. If you like UK so much then why not be a fan of theirs and let IU fans stand for something that we are proud of.

Another difference between Sampson and Crean is that Sampson was a known cheater before he got here and snubbed his nose to the rules where Crean has never been in trouble at all.
 
LOL! Do you think it was an accident? A mistake? Please. Crean is a lot of things, but "stupid" is not one of them. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Yet you are willing to excuse this known and self-admitted cheater? Interesting. Maybe even a little, dare I say it, hypocritical.

Seems that you're the one who is more like a UK fan, Scotty. Maybe you should switch sides and let true IU fans build a winning basketball program instead of a vacation bible school?
Put it this way if I was only given two choices
1) hire Cal and win more championships or
2) never win another championship if you don't hire Cal

I would always pick #2 because I would not Cal ever to coach my team and winning championships are not that important for me to have someone like him representing IU.
 
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You forgot option #3, the one that our administration actually chose:

3) Hire someone other than Cal who has more NCAA violations than he does and still doesn't win championships.

Are you ok with that one?


Put it this way if I was only given two choices
1) hire Cal and win more championships or
2) never win another championship if you don't hire Cal

I would always pick #2 because I would not Cal ever to coach my team and winning championships are not that important for me to have someone like him representing IU.
 
You forgot option #3, the one that our administration actually chose:

3) Hire someone other than Cal who has more NCAA violations than he does and still doesn't win championships.

Are you ok with that one?
Again Crean has no NCAA violations and also do you realizer that there are minor violations and major violations. Every program in the country has had some sort of minor violations but Sampson had major violations which he repeated again. Also UK has been penalized more than any program in the history of the NCAA but you want us to duplicate their success even if it means cheating.

Of course I would want #3 but I was just making a point I would rather lose than hire someone like Cal and to think he was not involved with the problems at UMASS and Memphis you are very naïve.
 
I'm quite aware of the distinctions between "major" and "minor" violations. It is mainly a matter of what the NCAA finds politically expedient at the time. That is why one year after IU blew up its program over Sampson's "major" phone call violations, the NCAA determined that limiting phone calls wasn't even worth enforcing.

Interestingly, IU is the program with more recent major violations. Kentucky hasn't had any in well over a generation.

And Calipari? Well, Calipari hasn't had any violations--major or minor--at UK, something his "good friend" Tom Crean can't say about his time at IU.

So tell me again, why are you willing to excuse Crean's cheating ways while casting blame at other programs that have a cleaner recent record than we do?

Again Crean has no NCAA violations and also do you realizer that there are minor violations and major violations. Every program in the country has had some sort of minor violations but Sampson had major violations which he repeated again. Also UK has been penalized more than any program in the history of the NCAA but you want us to duplicate their success even if it means cheating.
 
the difference is that the GM is the ones who picks the players and it would be on him more than the coach if they bring in to many thugs. If the college coach brings to many bad kids in it is on him since he is the one bringing them in.

Coaches have input on the players coming in for the pros.
 
Seems to me that YOU'RE the one turning a blind eye to cheating. I've already proven to you that Crean has "cheated" more at IU than Calipari has at UK, yet you seem fine with it.

Could it be that you are exercising some judgment and proportionality around Crean's transgressions---much the same as I am doing with Sampson's?

If you're going to play the high-and-mighty moral zealot, you at least need to be consistent with your own insane standards.


Apples to lawn mowers.

Sampson made HUNDREDS of calls after he was told not to do it anymore.
 
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