Starting 5

[kkott]

Always find it amusing when people say Galloway could develop a shot....he grew up with full access to a gym his whole life and father as a coach. If he still can't shoot by now, I don't think it is happening.

Yeah, I'm not going to say it's impossible, because maybe a new Coach unlocks something that's been missing, or corrects a flaw that was overlooked or ignored, but I agree, he's unlikely to develop much as a 3 pt threat.

I do think Geronimo improved his shooting, Leal, hopefully 1 of the new guys and I said I think TJD's shot doesn't look horrible, so that's where I could see improvement coming from. Of that entire group, I think Galloway's form looks the worst, although I've not seen Schifino or Gunn's shot.

 

[Lucy01]

Yeah, I'm not going to say it's impossible, because maybe a new Coach unlocks something that's been missing, or corrects a flaw that was overlooked or ignored, but I agree, he's unlikely to develop much as a 3 pt threat.

I do think Geronimo improved his shooting, Leal, hopefully 1 of the new guys and I said I think TJD's shot doesn't look horrible, so that's where I could see improvement coming from. Of that entire group, I think Galloway's form looks the worst, although I've not seen Schifino or Gunn's shot.

Maybe Hulls can help with their shooting form.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

Galloway can be a good scorer for us, even without developing an outside shot*. He gets to the hole and puts pressure on the defense by movement, driving, scoring off the dribble, and facilitating others.

*which he could develop, making him a very lethal scoring option.

Indeed TG is the player with the most potential to create havoc for the opponent by being disruptive with the ball in his hands and that makes the other 4 better. Add an outside shot, doesn't need to be a 3, and he becomes lethal player every opponents fans hate because he's tough as a rhino horn, does things people don't think he can do because his BB IQ is so high and he's scrappy tenacious on O and D. He's a player that makes good things happen.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

Ehhh idk about that. Not over the course of an entire season. Maybe in a single game it can squeak you out a win but if your going to be really good, you need to be very good offensively. This is why we were 9-11’inc conference play. We were 3rd best defense but went 9-11

As I recall IU plays single games 1 at a time adding up to a season.

 

[bsmitty08]

As I recall IU plays single games 1 at a time adding up to a season.

Ok?

 

[B1G_Fan]

XJ
Bates
JHS
Race
TJD

 

[turney333]

JG most likely isn't starting over Race. For all the talk about JG's potential and improvement, you need to take a step back see that Race not only outperformed JG in most areas and but also improved more between 2021 to 2022 than JG did, and that was improvement from 4th to 5th year for Race. And several things actually got worse for JG from 21 to 22 - assist rate, TO rate, and steals. In particular, JG has had the lowest assist rate on the team the last 2 years.

About the only area JG was better and showed more improvement than Race was offensive rebounding.

I also have a hard time seeing JG getting substantial time at the 3. He has by far the weakest ball handling and passing skills on the team (not of just potential 3's, but of any player on the team), and his greatest skill (offensive rebounding) will be somewhat negated by moving him away from the basket.

I would love for JG to improve a ton and find his way to a starting spot, but he has a lot longer way to go to get there than a lot of people want to admit

 

[Victorbmyboy]

JG most likely isn't starting over Race. For all the talk about JG's potential and improvement, you need to take a step back see that Race not only outperformed JG in most areas and but also improved more between 2021 to 2022 than JG did, and that was improvement from 4th to 5th year for Race. And several things actually got worse for JG from 21 to 22 - assist rate, TO rate, and steals. In particular, JG has had the lowest assist rate on the team the last 2 years.

About the only area JG was better and showed more improvement than Race was offensive rebounding.

I also have a hard time seeing JG getting substantial time at the 3. He has by far the weakest ball handling and passing skills on the team, and his greatest skill (offensive rebounding) will be somewhat negated by moving him away from the basket.

The 3 spot will again have fans screaming. It’s easily the question mark. That’s why I see Kopp starting.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

XJ
Bates
JHS
Race
TJD

JHS at the 3? Bates is more likely at the 3 as JHS will play point. Imho.

 

[B1G_Fan]

JHS at the 3? Bates is more likely at the 3 as JHS will play point. Imho.

I don't think there is much of a difference between the 2 and 3 in Woodson's system. I have JHS at the 3, because I believe he is better equipped to guard that position than Bates is.

I think it could be better to break it down like:

PG: XJ
Wing: Bates/JHS
Forwards: Race/TJD

 

[hoosier48]

If there is one thing we learned about CMW is he picks a starting lineup and STAYS with it! I will not second guess him, but hope he is more flexible this year to find the outside shooting.

 

[turney333]

If there is one thing we learned about CMW is he picks a starting lineup and STAYS with it! I will not second guess him, but hope he is more flexible this year to find the outside shooting.

But what other options were there for starters. Phin missed 3-4 games early, and then by the time he was 100%, IU was playing well and winning, then the team took a downturn when he got injured again and was never 100% when he got back. Galloway went down in game 4, and the team was playing well when got back, and when the downturn happened that coincided with Phin's injury, Woodson put Galloway in the starting lineup.

After that, the options were Bates who was really weak on defense, and JG wasn't suited to play the 3 (whether or not people think he can make the jump to do so this coming year)

 

[.Gerdis]

JG most likely isn't starting over Race. For all the talk about JG's potential and improvement, you need to take a step back see that Race not only outperformed JG in most areas and but also improved more between 2021 to 2022 than JG did, and that was improvement from 4th to 5th year for Race. And several things actually got worse for JG from 21 to 22 - assist rate, TO rate, and steals. In particular, JG has had the lowest assist rate on the team the last 2 years.

About the only area JG was better and showed more improvement than Race was offensive rebounding.

I also have a hard time seeing JG getting substantial time at the 3. He has by far the weakest ball handling and passing skills on the team, and his greatest skill (offensive rebounding) will be somewhat negated by moving him away from the basket.

Did JG have a tendency to foul?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Did JG have a tendency to foul?

No he was always getting benched for being out of position. He gets lost on both ends of the floor. Terrible on close outs too. Looked to me he always used his athleticism to compensate. That works in highschool but will get you burned in the NCAA. He’s not a 3. Yet. Will be interesting. If he can get there look out. It will change this team from sweet 16 to final 4. I’m not banking on it though. Him and Bates both need to make the jump.

 

[IUNorth]

I would say only 2 starting spots are set in stone, at this point.

Xavier will start as one of our guards, and TJD will start as one of our bigs.

They'll both play 30 minutes a game or so.

So we have 3 starting spots, and 140 minutes of playing time yet to be figured out. In order, I'd say the most likely players to get those starting spots, and minutes are as follows:

Race Thompson
Miller Kopp
Trey Galloway
Tamar Bates
Jalen Hood Schofino
Jordan Geronimo
Malik Reneau
Kaleb Banks
CJ Gunn
Anthony Leal
Logan Duncomb

So...if I had to guess...I would say that Woody will start X, Trey, Miller, Race, and TJD.

I HOPE, either through a complete change in philosophy, and/or the other guys just proving they deserve it more, that the starting lineup will end up being more like X, Tamar, JHS, Jordan, TJD. If that lineup happens for all good reasons, we'll be a final four contending team. If a lineup more like the first one happens, for whatever reason, we'll be a solid NCAA team, but not a B10/Final Four contending team by any measurement.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I would say only 2 starting spots are set in stone, at this point.

Xavier will start as one of our guards, and TJD will start as one of our bigs.

They'll both play 30 minutes a game or so.

So we have 3 starting spots, and 140 minutes of playing time yet to be figured out. In order, I'd say the most likely players to get those starting spots, and minutes are as follows:

Race Thompson
Miller Kopp
Trey Galloway
Tamar Bates
Jalen Hood Schofino
Jordan Geronimo
Malik Reneau
Kaleb Banks
CJ Gunn
Anthony Leal
Logan Duncomb

So...if I had to guess...I would say that Woody will start X, Trey, Miller, Race, and TJD.

I HOPE, either through a complete change in philosophy, and/or the other guys just proving they deserve it more, that the starting lineup will end up being more like X, Tamar, JHS, Jordan, TJD. If that lineup happens for all good reasons, we'll be a final four contending team. If a lineup more like the first one happens, for whatever reason, we'll be a solid NCAA team, but not a B10/Final Four contending team by any measurement.

Pretty much agree with this. That lineup with Bates, JHS and JG will only supplant the first group if they do everything Woody says and they don’t get lost on defense. The first lineup is the one that I think he starts with early. This is one of those rosters that has “good” problems. Like who wins the spots.

 

[turney333]

Pretty much agree with this. That lineup with Bates, JHS and JG will only supplant the first group if they do everything Woody says and they don’t get lost on defense. The first lineup is the one that I think he starts with early. This is one of those rosters that has “good” problems. Like who wins the spots.

I could see there being an outside chance of Race loses his starting spot, but feel he's locked in at about 24 minutes minimum even if that were to happen.

X will get about 30 minutes, meaning there are 90 remaining minutes at the 1-3 spots, with a bunch of guys competing for those minutes. JHS/Bates/Kopp/Galloway/JG are the most likely of course, but I'd say there's maybe a 10-20% chance that one of Gunn/Banks/or even Leal jumps into that conversation as well.

 

[bsmitty08]

Pretty much agree with this. That lineup with Bates, JHS and JG will only supplant the first group if they do everything Woody says and they don’t get lost on defense. The first lineup is the one that I think he starts with early. This is one of those rosters that has “good” problems. Like who wins the spots.

Why do you agree with him but when I said start X bates and hood you argue with me and say they are not 3’s?

 

[jsig]

I hope JG, TG, Bates, step up their games and JHS and Reneau are the real deals. Having vets in the 2nd unit led by a couple of X, Kopp and Race would be great. Other than TJD, I doubt Woody knows exactly how the rotation will be until they start practicing and play a couple of games in the fall. Woody likes to rotate in an entire 2nd unit NBA style. Will that continue or should he stagger it some?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Why do you agree with him but when I said start X bates and hood you argue with me and say they are not 3’s?

You still didn’t listen. I said I “hope” they become starters. They just aren’t yet. I still think JHS will be part time 2 and point. I’m agreeing with most of it and I never said abates isn’t a 3. He played at the 3 last year.

 

[Harry Hondo]

If there is one thing we learned about CMW is he picks a starting lineup and STAYS with it! I will not second guess him, but hope he is more flexible this year to find the outside shooting.

That may have been because he was in his first year as a college coach and wanted to play it close to the vest and stick with his veterans. He now has more overall talent and a year under his belt, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him tinker a bit with the starting lineup during the course of the season.

 

[MrBing]

I know this has been discussed and debated, but curious what the board sees as the starting 5 next year. We have two five start freshman coming in. We were devoid of shooting a year ago. A true Achilles heal. I have learned to tamper expectations as we have seen each year the early season hype does not match the end result. Regardless, who is starting and will we finally see an offense that features TJD taking 15 footers with consistency and knocking them down?

Xavier
Tamar
Geronimo
Race
TJD

I can go with that one but I bet Kopp starts over Geronimo early in the season. Galloway will get a look at that spot or instead of Tamar too but he might be the first off the bench. This team is deep, deep, deep.

 

[MrBing]

If there is one thing we learned about CMW is he picks a starting lineup and STAYS with it! I will not second guess him, but hope he is more flexible this year to find the outside shooting.

Galloway broke into the starting lineup and then he got hurt.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Galloway broke into the starting lineup and then he got hurt.

Galloway only got to start due to the Northwestern debacle.

 

[MrBing]

Galloway only got to start due to the Northwestern debacle.

He started 3 straight games and then got hurt.

 

[T.M.P.]

He started 3 straight games and then got hurt.

He also finished more games than Kopp did and got as many or more minutes at the end of the year. And if I remember correctly his efficiency went down when starting. He was much better off the bench.

People are too infatuated with who is being introduced at the beginning of the game. Starting doesn't matter that much, it's superficial. What matters is minutes played and finishing the game. Galloway was one of the finishers, Kopp generally wasn't.

 

[B1G_Fan]

He started 3 straight games and then got hurt.

Because Stewart was being punished.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Because Stewart was being punished.

Bing is right. Stewart was only suspended for Galloway’s first start. Galloway started two more and had an injury. Then Stewart started again. IU was better with Galloway playing over Stewart IMO.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Bing is right. Stewart was only suspended for Galloway’s first start. Galloway started two more and had an injury. Then Stewart started again. IU was better with Galloway playing over Stewart IMO.

Galloway was really poor as a starter. Why didn’t Galloway start once he wasn’t injured?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Galloway was really poor as a starter. Why didn’t Galloway start once he wasn’t injured?

You’d have to ask our coach that. I suspect he wasn’t 100% after the injury and that probably limited his playing time. However, Coach usually had him in at crunch time over Stewart.

 

[B1G_Fan]

You’d have to ask our coach that. I suspect he wasn’t 100% after the injury and that probably limited his playing time. However, Coach usually had him in at crunch time over Stewart.

There are many things I would like to ask Woodson. Galloway is an okay bench player, but shouldn’t be starting.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

There are many things I would like to ask Woodson. Galloway is an okay bench player, but shouldn’t be starting.

If he starts it’ll be because the coach thinks he’s one of the five players that should start. No worries there.

 

[B1G_Fan]

If he starts it’ll be because the coach thinks he’s one of the five players that should start. No worries there.

That hasn’t proven to mean much. He won’t start though.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

That hasn’t proven to mean much. He won’t start though.

You know your opinions aren’t facts, right? That a very grating habit that you have.

 

[B1G_Fan]

You know your opinions aren’t facts, right? That a very grating habit that you have.

I’m aware. Galloway won’t start though. That’s a fact.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I’m aware. Galloway won’t start though. That’s a fact.

And if he does, you’ll show no humility nor admit your “fact” was wrong. That’s my opinion, of course.

 

[B1G_Fan]

And if he does, you’ll show no humility nor admit your “fact” was wrong. That’s my opinion, of course.

And if he doesn’t you won’t admit I was right. It’s a message board. Don’t take it so seriously, Karen.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

And if he doesn’t you won’t admit I was right. It’s a message board. Don’t take it so seriously, Karen.

You guaranteed 6 gone. Just like you guarantee Trey won’t start.

 

[B1G_Fan]

You guaranteed 6 gone. Just like you guarantee Trey won’t start.

I did not guarantee 6 gone.

 

[BCCHoosier]

I did not guarantee 6 gone.

You F#!kup every thread you are a part of. Ever notice that? You are the common denominator.