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Thanks, doctor!How dumb. Everyone is overreacting over this COVID. I’m over it.
Wow, Stanford chopped 11 sports. I think we will see a lot of this happening. Poor kids and coaches
I understand your point, but doubt the kids that play those sports would agree.Maybe it's a good time to get rid of some things and focus on what's really important. Many of these things are great hobbies for life but not necessarily worth spending thousands of dollars on with no return. Students could have just as much fun playing club tennis or softball or going kayaking at the state park every weekend. And the parents would get to spend some weekends with their kids instead of driving hundreds of miles to watch their kids.
I understand there will be some initial disappointment. Most of the students would play intramural or club sports and have just as much or more fun while greatly improving the level of intramural competition. If they have to take a loan to go to school, join the masses. College education isn't cheap and many students every year find ways to make it happen if they really want to. By cutting those sports, I would hope more money is available for great college education. Somewhere along the way college, started to become more like a country club instead of 4 years of educational rigor to prepare you for a career and in doing so the costs became ridiculous. Many are now moving off campus and working full time while taking classes. If students are still looking for a scholarship, try the ROTC. It's an honorable way to serve and get an education!!I understand your point, but doubt the kids that play those sports would agree.
I wonder how much partial scholarship money they would lose.
What would the cut coaches do?
How dumb. Everyone is overreacting over this COVID. I’m over it.
Totally disagree! Most are under-reacting, which is why we are spiking.How dumb. Everyone is overreacting over this COVID. I’m over it.
We only sponsor 22 in total..........the most high profile sport dropped by Stanford is wrestling.
I think we'll drop a few sports.......I would think we could end up dropping some combination of Women's FH, Women's Rowing, Women's and/or Men's Tennis, & Women's and/or Men's Golf. Title 9 will impact, so Men's Tennis & Golf could go bye bye, esp. as neither IU nor the BT as a whole are nationally competitive in either (ok, maybe Illinois in Golf, OSU in Tennis).
Given the lack of HS participation, I think Rowing & FH could go....if so, maybe Men's Golf & Tennis to balance things out for Title 9.
I doubt they'd cut Women or Men's CC, as the Big Ten has always been pretty good in that sport and all or nearly all of the BT teams have both sports (as I recall).
On the Women's side, I'd think Softball, Volleyball. Basketball, Soccer, S & D would be safe.
For the Men, Football, Basketball, Soccer, S & D, Baseball.
The honest truth is less than ten thousand people in US could tell you when Stanford last won a VB championship. The world is changing again and like many years ago sports are fun but not life or death. People out of work and worried about their families aren't going to pay $100 to watch a game. And maybe that's a good thing.they dropped men’s volleyball which has a National Title and a Runner Up in the last 10 years
Maybe it's a good time to get rid of some things and focus on what's really important. Many of these things are great hobbies for life but not necessarily worth spending thousands of dollars on with no return. Students could have just as much fun playing club tennis or softball or going kayaking at the state park every weekend. And the parents would get to spend some weekends with their kids instead of driving hundreds of miles to watch their kids.
RubeHow dumb. Everyone is overreacting over this COVID. I’m over it.
Totally disagree! Most are under-reacting, which is why we are spiking.
This thing is real and so are its impacts.
Go Hoosiers!
If Football and Basketball the money sports don't get into swing then other sports that depend on that money will have to be cut.Wow, Stanford chopped 11 sports. I think we will see a lot of this happening. Poor kids and coaches
Well said and I agree with your statement that it's relative to the individual. I have no problem with sports, but the excessive amounts of money we pour into it isn't what makes the camaraderie and memories. My memories cannot compare to yours but I still treasure those memories playing with the kids in the neighborhood making up our own tournaments just as much as you treasure yours.what's important is relative. i played a division 1 sport. to this day it means more to me than everything but my family. i went on to get three degrees, none of which would have been possible but for the sport. my certificate from playing in the ncaa tournament is the most prominent thing in my office. it's been many, many years and i talk to my teammates daily on a group chat. to some people sports are very important.
if reform is to take place i would hope some of these universities look at the restrictions and how monies within the endowment are earmarked going forward. maybe some changes in that regard would be prudent to accommodate the vagaries of pandemics/riots/international student bans, etc. stanford's endowment is almost 30 billion dollars.
maybe the pool at the rec center doesn't need to look like the pool at the breakers. maybe the arms race for campus improvements needs to be revisited. who knows. i hate seeing sports cut. i know how hard kids work to get to that level.
Agreed on all frontsWell said and I agree with your statement that it's relative to the individual. I have no problem with sports, but the excessive amounts of money we pour into it isn't what makes the camaraderie and memories. My memories cannot compare to yours but I still treasure those memories playing with the kids in the neighborhood making up our own tournaments just as much as you treasure yours.
The honest truth is less than ten thousand people in US could tell you when Stanford last won a VB championship. The world is changing again and like many years ago sports are fun but not life or death. People out of work and worried about their families aren't going to pay $100 to watch a game. And maybe that's a good thing.
Maybe it's a good time to get rid of some things and focus on what's really important. Many of these things are great hobbies for life but not necessarily worth spending thousands of dollars on with no return. Students could have just as much fun playing club tennis or softball or going kayaking at the state park every weekend. And the parents would get to spend some weekends with their kids instead of driving hundreds of miles to watch their kids.
The honest truth is less than ten thousand people in US could tell you when Stanford last won a VB championship. The world is changing again and like many years ago sports are fun but not life or death. People out of work and worried about their families aren't going to pay $100 to watch a game. And maybe that's a good thing.
Maybe it's a good time to get rid of some things and focus on what's really important. Many of these things are great hobbies for life but not necessarily worth spending thousands of dollars on with no return. Students could have just as much fun playing club tennis or softball or going kayaking at the state park every weekend. And the parents would get to spend some weekends with their kids instead of driving hundreds of miles to watch their kids.
I understand your point, but doubt the kids that play those sports would agree.
I wonder how much partial scholarship money they would lose.
What would the cut coaches do?
There are several reasons why they are diverging right now. A few of the factors are who are getting infected (younger people now) and slightly better treatment methods. And, as you say, it has changed where it is now more infectious but doesn't make people sicker. Is it now less lethal as you propose? Time will tell but the experts haven't said that is the case. It is important to note that there is a large lag between contracting the disease and death, around 4-6 weeks. So this is likely the largest factor. There is a 2 week lag from contraction to showing symptoms. Then another lag from that time to hospitalization (I'm not sure of the time frame, probably 1-2 weeks). After that another lag before death. Hospitalizations in AZ (where I live) and FL are both up. I don't know about other places where spikes are occurring but they're probably going up, too. I bet in those places the deaths will start to increase in a few weeks.But don’t you find it interesting that the case rate and the case fatalities are diverging as they are?
Now, obviously deaths are a lagging indicator. So it’s certainly possible that we’ll see fatalities do a similar u-turn in the near future. But I remember something Larry Brilliant said early on in this — which is that viruses change and they typically lose lethality as they do. He was asked about the film Contagion (which he consulted on) and said that was one aspect of it that wasn’t typical.
It seems at least possible that the transmissibility of the virus has grown (or that the spread has picked up pace as we’ve opened up....or both) while the lethality of it has diminished.
I’m seeing more discussion of the “HIT” (Herd Immunity Threshold) of this virus - we’ve always heard that the target was 50-60% infection. But perhaps it’s a lot lower than that. That’s not a universal number for all viruses.
Hopefully we’ve learned some about treating it which would lower deaths If that has happened, but I don’t see figures on impairment,possibly lifetime impairment.Now, obviously deaths are a lagging indicator. So it’s certainly possible that we’ll see fatalities do a similar u-turn in the near future. But I remember something Larry Brilliant said early on in this — which is that viruses change and they typically lose lethality as they do. He was asked about the film Contagion (which he consulted on) and said that was one aspect of it that wasn’t typical.
The honest truth is less than ten thousand people in US could tell you when Stanford last won a VB championship. The world is changing again and like many years ago sports are fun but not life or death. People out of work and worried about their families aren't going to pay $100 to watch a game. And maybe that's a good thing.
College is supposed to be all about the students so it's sad to see any sport being cut. Maybe these major universities should cut some of the bloated administration that have contributed significantly to the increase of college tuition while adding little to the experience. I don't know the numbers for fact but I've head that IU has twice as many employees as it did 30 years ago and it sure doesn't have twice as many students. (and I'm talking about the university as a whole and not just the athletic department)
Correct. Unfortunately the courts have decreed that the total # of male and female scholarships must be equal with no allowance for football, which has no female counterpart. Consequently, softball gets more scholarships than baseball, womens tennis and golf get more than mens tennis and golf, etc. It's a perverted (in my opinion) system. It's also why sports like field hockey and women's rowing are so prominent, because they are inexpensive to offer. With most women's sports at most places, it's all about manageable loss.Men's volleyball (and Men's gymnastics) is a victim of Title 9. It would probably be a big-time sport these days, but instead we have women's field hockey and rowing. Title 9 is not fair to males as implemented, but nobody cares.
If not for Title IX we’d have a lot fewer Olympic medals, in case that matters to you.
I agree completely with the bloated academic payrolls. Everyone want an assistant.College is supposed to be all about the students so it's sad to see any sport being cut. Maybe these major universities should cut some of the bloated administration that have contributed significantly to the increase of college tuition while adding little to the experience. I don't know the numbers for fact but I've head that IU has twice as many employees as it did 30 years ago and it sure doesn't have twice as many students. (and I'm talking about the university as a whole and not just the athletic department)
Please don't misinterpret my position. I'm an unabashed supporter of Title IX. As a high school athlete in the late 1970's I witnessed firsthand the disparities in the things I was provided and the advantages I had compared to my sister, who was a couple of grades behind me. She had to endure the shittiest practice times and facilities, games played and travel exclusively on school nights, inferior and secondhand equipment, etc.If not for Title IX we’d have a lot fewer Olympic medals, in case that matters to you.
I bet it is easier to wear a mask than a ventilator.....BTW the world isn't flat either.How dumb. Everyone is overreacting over this COVID. I’m over it.
it's an interesting topic. most folks don't realize just how few scholarships are out there. men's d1 soccer usually carry 22-24 guys on a roster. they get 9 scholarship. baseball only has 11 scholarships for an even bigger roster.Please don't misinterpret my position. I'm an unabashed supporter of Title IX. As a high school athlete in the late 1970's I witnessed firsthand the disparities in the things I was provided and the advantages I had compared to my sister, who was a couple of grades behind me. She had to endure the shittiest practice times and facilities, games played and travel exclusively on school nights, inferior and secondhand equipment, etc.
I on the other hand had furnished practice gear and shoes, meals provided after weekend road games, optimum practice times in the competition gym. My parents and the parents of other female athletes actually had to retain a lawyer and serve notice to the school board in order to force the sexist AD to pay for physicals for the girls.
So no, I'm not insensitive. I just think that the interpretation of the scholarship limits by the courts is wrong. If I were in charge, the equivalent sports (mens golf, tennis, track, xc, etc vs. womens; baseball vs. softball) would have the same scholly #s, football would have 50 exempt with the remainder offset by womens sports of high interest.
I'm not at all for dropping sports, in fact I wish we would add a few. I would hope any university would look deeply for other ways to cut to preserve opportunities for athletes.
I certainly understand your feeling on this and you probably have been personally involved in some way by the time and commitment that many athletes and their families make. I also agree that cuts will need to be made across the board. No doubt it's a tremendous letdown for the athletes, and I have a nephew and two nieces who missed their college season of baseball or softball this past year. I'm just pointing out that there are many opportunities to still play outside of college at many different levels. While I enjoy playing at the park at my age, my daughter still participates in leagues and tournaments through out the summer. There are plenty of opportunities depending on what level you want to play that do not have to be through a college. My nephew and niece would have many opportunities to play (barring covid 19) if they did not play in play in college.If you spent the time and put in the work and had the love of the sport enough to make the cut in a D1 (or even D2 or D3 school) for the tennis or softball or rowing team, it's more than a hobby and I don't think a pickup game at the rec center or outing at the park is really going to seem like a satisfying alternative.
If the university needs to cut, I'd rather see them cut into the utterly bloated administrative staff and maybe hold off on new monuments to themselves for a few years.
yeah it's a shame but that's the market. football and basketball are really all that matter. just by way of background to your point an entire division 1 soccer team's budget averages about $900,000.Meanwhile...Archie rakes in $3.5M+ per year...
Coaches pay is absurd. Coaches are paid in a way to fund generational wealth. There is no reason they should be paid at these rates. CEO of major companies and national chains aren’t paid at that level...but to manage 13 kids playing a sport (plus 5 assistants etc).
Could a coach really live much differently in Bloomington if they ‘only’ made $300k-$1M per year?
This isnt really a knock on Archie/IU...but more on coaching salaries.
The $2.5M or so each year could fund a hell of a lot of scholarships or athletic teams budgets.
I agree that coaches' salaries are ridiculous. This is a product of all the money coming in to athletic departments of P5 schools. Since most of them are a part of universities, they have to spend that money one way or another to remain non-profit. They can't claim a profit and they can't pay players. So facilities, salaries, and money to the university are the only way they can spend it.Meanwhile...Archie rakes in $3.5M+ per year...
Coaches pay is absurd. Coaches are paid in a way to fund generational wealth. There is no reason they should be paid at these rates. CEO of major companies and national chains aren’t paid at that level...but to manage 13 kids playing a sport (plus 5 assistants etc).
Could a coach really live much differently in Bloomington if they ‘only’ made $300k-$1M per year?
This isnt really a knock on Archie/IU...but more on coaching salaries.
The $2.5M or so each year could fund a hell of a lot of scholarships or athletic teams budgets.