Spike Albrecht to Purdue
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Both front courts will be good. Edwards and Hartman will both be solid. Swanigan will be a good rebounder as he was last year but he's not especially strong on offense and defense. Bryant will be good on both ends, especially offense, but foul trouble will continue to be a worry. Although I expect Davis will be more than a capable backup. OG is the wildcard. If he can replicate his production at the end of the year in expanded minutes that will be a huge boost for IU. Same for Haas. If he can stay on the court for 30 minutes per game and produce the same per minute numbers as last year he may be 1st team all B1G. The difference between the two teams will be the backcourt, where IU has an advantage.
Not that IUs backcourt will be perfect right off the bat. Rojo needs to cut down on his turnovers and JBJ needs to learn to play at least passable defense. Cujo also has to be able to take care of the ball when he's in the game. I don't want to lean on Newkirk too much if we can avoid it. He wasn't that polished at Pitt. Although he has had a year already with Crean and has practiced against yogi so maybe we'll see an improved Newkirk.
IMO we SHOULD be talking about Wisconsin and MSU. They're who IU will be battling for the B1G title. I'm not as sold on MSU because they'll be depending so much on freshmen. Although there is the Izzo factor that you can't ignore. By the middle of B1G season there's a high likelihood he'll have their team firing on all cylinders.
I think there are 4 top teams IU, UW, MSU and PU and I think all 4 has a good chance of winning the conference. I never said who i thought would be better and actually I think we will win the big ten with UW 2nd and PU 3rd
Ok, so I have the same top four but I specified where I thought everyone would fall. How is that not being objective? You said you don't see me being objective toward Purdue.
Just by reading your post the last couple of years when it comes to Purdue and all the arguments you start about them.
I have disagreed with shirts a lot but he is not a Purdue fan
Crean is absolutely a better coach than Painter. Painter massively underachieved last year. Senior Hammons and Davis plus Haas, Edwards, and Swanigan and he couldn't even get out of the first round against lowly Little Rock. Best Purdue team since the baby boilers and he "achieved" a first round exit and 4th in the B1G. How long do you give a coach before it becomes inexcusable that his teams consistently can't break a press?
Then you have Crean who lost his second leading scorer at the beginning of B1G play and still managed to win the B1G outright by 2 games and make the second weekend of the tournament despite only having 2 healthy scholarship guards. Plus he won B1G coach of the year in case you forgot.
I've been as critical of Crean as anyone but I don't have many gripes about last year. His rotations have been tighter and they make sense. He's been finding diamonds in the rough like OG and Morgan. My only real complaint is he isn't recruiting at as high a level as he probably could. He should be landing a couple top 25 kids per year at least and hasn't done that. But I expect it may take a final four before the recruiting floodgates really open.
So what I've posted in the past means that posts in this thread AREN'T objective. Got it. SMH.
You don't post since your banned. At least, not under the username snu(ironmanx2).
Lol. Wut? My viewpoint on this coming season is my viewpoint on this coming season. Nothing what I've posted in the past has anything to do with my viewpoints on Purdue for next year.
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Also I keep hearing even after we lost our 2nd leading scorer...yet he hurt you guys until he got injured. UNLV, Wake dismantled by a Duke team. Also if TB was such an offense stud wouldn't he avg. more points in the paint? OG is a toss up because he has never played long starter minutes, Rojo same, Newkirk backup at Pitt same...seems like alot of question marks with nothing proven....But CS is avg compared to TB?
No. It is easier to recruit to IU due to the package of high profile, campus, exposure, fan base, facilities, strong academics etc.
It is a more difficult place to coach in part because of those things mentioned above. A huge fan base with large numbers of very knowledgeable fans, through the roof expectations, highly influential aggressive and monied alumni, less flexible academic standards (like PU), fishbowl.
@boiler1987 - Care to confirm for me the below? You know I brought it up constantly.
I mentioned the IU schedule as a big reason for my belief they would finish higher than Purdue. You don't think I mentioned it because you weren't paying attention and it doesn't fit your argument. I 100% acknowledged our weak schedule.
Nice try old man, you're wrong again.
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I'm 100% convinced you don't watch basketball. If you can't understand that with the way IU spread the ball around that some not everyone was going to put up big numbers. We didn't have to pound it in the paint. But then again, to figure that out takes a little bit of thought which I know escapes you.
Same can be said for Purdue. Swanigan isn't a go to guy on offense and his defense is suspect. Haas isn't the same defensive impact as Hammons and will have trouble staying on the floor with fouls. Edwards should be better but can he handle having the target on his back? Who is your PG? A gimpy Spike? I think he'll be a help, in fact I think he should start. He's better than anything you have but he's a defensive liability. No depth on the bench at all. Who's coming off your bench? Another man? A kid who wasn't even good enough to get minutes last year? Taylor? Don't make me laugh. Can Cline and Marhias be more than just spot up shooters? Don't think Marhias is quick enough. Cline should be improved next year though. Seems like a ton of question marks with nothing proven. Lulz, God your posts are just terrible.
IU started to turn around as a team at halftime of the Notre Dame game. The narrative of "IU got so much better after JBJ went down," is inaccurate. IU's offensive efficiency went down by exactly as much as the defensive efficiency went up. So at absolute worst JBJ's absence was a wash. And I'd argue his absence hurt quite a bit in the NCAAs when IU was so woefully short on guards.
Bryant shot 68% and has a ORtg of 130. He's an offensive stud. You can complain that he didn't take enough shots and I wouldn't argue with you too much but IU had the 4th best offense in the country so I can't be all that mad about how it operated.
OG played 24 minutes or more in 3 games at the end of last season and played incredibly well in all 3. Small sample size, obviously, but there's reason to think he'll thrive in a larger role this year. Rojo played starters minutes last year so I don't know what you're talking about. Newkirk has question marks for sure. CS was absolutely average when compared to TB. In everything but rebounding, where CS is one of the best in the conference.
I amended the post later, I meant easier to win at IU
Though I still believe you guys put too much stock in the pressure. The fact that TC has made it this long, not to mention he's received two raises/extensions proves you don't have that much pressure from where it matters
IU has less flexible academic standards than PU?
A lot of people were angered by JBJ's lack of effort on defense. I'll admit I was too. But losing a guard who shoots 45%+ from 3 point land is never good. And again, the stats show that the loss of JBJ was at worst a wash.
The academic standards are essentially identical. PU has slightly higher standards in math. IU has slightly higher standards in English. Anyone player who meets the standards at one meets the standards for the other.
That's what I figured, if we were talking IU versus Memphis or UC, that I would buy
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Just curious, do you think if Painter had the same success TC has had at IU the past 5 years, there would be so many critical PU fans calling for his job saying the program needs to move on? I could be wrong but I haven't heard that his position as head coach could be in jeopardy.
The pressure comes from the expectations that if the coach doesn't meet the elevated expectations of the school/fans then they will be out of a job. TC has accomplished enough that his position would be secure for many years to come at most schools, including PU. At most schools he could continue doing the same thing and not worry about his job. The pressure at IU is if he doesn't elevate to the next level he'll eventually be out of a job.
Agreed. I can't get on the "IU has higher academic standards" boat. It's not like IU is some academic haven for intellectuals to seek out. We're not Stanford. We're not even Notre Dame. Heck, PU is 'Purdue'cing astronauts for cripes sake. How's that for intellectuals attending the university.
IU will always be a more stressful job due to the higher expectations. Although pretty much any D1 coach can be fired due to performance at any given time so I doubt Painter is living an entirely carefree life.
Fans don't matter, unless they are big time boosters. Internet message boards are meaningless. Remember FG said he doesn't concern himself with the $100.00 donors
I think MP likely would've been fired already if they were certain to have an upgrade. His being an alum probably plays into it as well.
Most schools wouldn't have given out two extensions before a coach finished above fifth in the conference. I think you are overselling IUs desire to be elite.
I agree that there is more pressure to win at IU, but I think the amount of pressure is overstated by many posters. The recent past says you can have multiple off court incidents, some serious, some not, mass transfers, and as long as you balance out a 9th with a 1st you don't even have to win in the post season...your job is safe. Pressure yes, but the pressure cooker that many make it out to be? not even close
IU has Iowa type standards....and it's trickling down to the fans.
That could've been the same for RMK because some irrational IU fans think they are living in the past. What coach at IU since and including RMK didn't most fans want fired. Also most likely yourself at the beginning of this year after the Maui classic..I know many trustees and former people associated with the program who felt the same.
Championship or bust? You
Might want to reconsider that statement or say iu has been a bust since 1987. You have to go back to the mike Davis days to get to the FF. The new standard might be the sweet sixteen since that's as far as iu has been since crean took over. Even his number one ranked team got killed in Thr sweet sixteen. His team this past season got good after Blackmon went down. Do you think crean figured that out or just addition by subtraction ? Keep hoping for Brad. Now he could get iu back to the promised land. Not sold on either crean or painter who also has gotten to the sweet sixteen.
Might want to reconsider that statement or say iu has been a bust since 1987. You have to go back to the mike Davis days to get to the FF. The new standard might be the sweet sixteen since that's as far as iu has been since crean took over. Even his number one ranked team got killed in Thr sweet sixteen. His team this past season got good after Blackmon went down. Do you think crean figured that out or just addition by subtraction ? Keep hoping for Brad. Now he could get iu back to the promised land. Not sold on either crean or painter who also has gotten to the sweet sixteen.
Championship or bust is often the wrong way to look at it. You want a coach who brings a team to the tournament with the talent and leadership to win it all. Ideally every season although 50% of the time is a more reasonable expectation for a program like IU. Crean is putting together more and more squads capable of winning it all IMO, which is what I look for. Painter's inability to recruit championship quality guards has kept Purdue from reaching that level since the baby boilers. Which is why I'd much rather have Crean.
No, I made the point that IU has less flexible standards as PU does. I try to be generally objective particularly when it comes to academics. The state of Indiana is blessed to have the number of top notch academic institutions we do.
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