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Not only did "loony tunes" AZ GOP Congressman Paul Gosar deliberately tweet out a photoshopped pic of Obama meeting with Iranian leader Hassan Rouhani, but he actually attacked people who called him out. If you need a primer on Gosar, he's the moron who is so bizarre that 6 of his own siblings actively campaigned against his reelection...

Not sure if Gosar was just intent on inflaming his uneducated base, or if he actually thought he could pull a fast one and no one would call out his phony pic? To call it amateurish is putting it mildly- no one with any semblance of a brain could possibly be fooled.

But the sad reality is that Gosar likely knows his base and has determined that facts and reality are alien concepts to many of them. In fact, I'm sure that's what he is counting on. The goal is to get them to circulate the phony pic, similar to the widely circulated photo of an SS Guard which some people to this day still believe is George Soros. Herr Goebbels would be so proud...



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With today's technology you can show people doing and saying anything.

Think of the depths negative political advertising can go.

On top of this, with millions getting most of their information from social media and with the technology being available to the average guy, we all can manipulate the news. We all are now part of the major media.
 
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cosmickid said:
Not only did "loony tunes" AZ GOP Congressman Paul Gosar deliberately tweet out a photoshopped pic of Obama meeting with Iranian leader Hassan Rouhani, but he actually attacked people who called him out. If you need a primer on Gosar, he's the moron who is so bizarre that 6 of his own siblings actively campaigned against his reelection...

Not sure if Gosar was just intent on inflaming his uneducated base, or if he actually thought he could pull a fast one and no one would call out his phony pic? To call it amateurish is putting it mildly- no one with any semblance of a brain could possibly be fooled.

But the sad reality is that Gosar likely knows his base and has determined that facts and reality are alien concepts to many of them. In fact, I'm sure that's what he is counting on. The goal is to get them to circulate the phony pic, similar to the widely circulated photo of an SS Guard which some people to this day still believe is George Soros. Herr Goebbels would be so proud...

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Isn’t that the guy whose siblings ran an ad to dissuade the electorate from voting for him?

edit: @CO. Hoosier you asked before about the #NewGOP hashtag. This is it. These are the assholes that push reasonable people out of the party.
 
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INRanger27 said:
Isn’t that the guy whose siblings ran an ad to dissuade the electorate from voting for him?

edit: @CO. Hoosier you asked before about the #NewGOP hashtag. This is it. These are the assholes that push reasonable people out of the party.
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Why should reasonable people leave the party because of assholes like this? That perpetuates and makes worse the problem you mention. Like any group, the beliefs of those who make up the GOP will form bell curves in a number of measurable metrics. Leaving because of bell-curve outliers is stupid and weak to me. You claim to be one of those. All I can say, if the shoe fits, wear it. But don't piss on those who stay behind with meaningless phrases like "Trumpism" or "the new GOP."

A German friend of mine recently sent me this link to read. This is a rather long read. Nevertheless, the message in this 30 year-old piece has timeless application. I chose to take inspiration from this message instead of the plethora of those who paint with the broad "Trumpism" brush.
 
CO. Hoosier said:
Why should reasonable people leave the party because of assholes like this? That perpetuates and makes worse the problem you mention. Like any group, the beliefs of those who make up the GOP will form bell curves in a number of measurable metrics. Leaving because of bell-curve outliers is stupid and weak to me.
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Except that these guys aren't "bell curve outliers" -- they're the ones in control, the legislators and executives and more and more the judges, the ones that control the party apparatus, and who are in power at the state and local level as well. People like Ranger and Aloha have been pushed to the ends of the curve. They are the outliers, while people like you have made sure to stay in the middle of the curve no matter how skewed it might be.

But you know all that. It just doesn't suite your narrative at the moment.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
Why should reasonable people leave the party because of assholes like this? That perpetuates and makes worse the problem you mention. Like any group, the beliefs of those who make up the GOP will form bell curves in a number of measurable metrics. Leaving because of bell-curve outliers is stupid and weak to me. You claim to be one of those. All I can say, if the shoe fits, wear it. But don't piss on those who stay behind with meaningless phrases like "Trumpism" or "the new GOP."

A German friend of mine recently sent me this link to read. This is a rather long read. Nevertheless, the message in this 30 year-old piece has timeless application. I chose to take inspiration from this message instead of the plethora of those who paint with the broad "Trumpism" brush.
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Because these people are no longer outliers. They are the mainstream and the loudest voices. Unfortunately. Sometimes you have to cut bait.
 
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UncleMark said:
Except that these guys aren't "bell curve outliers" -- they're the ones in control, the legislators and executives and more and more the judges, the ones that control the party apparatus, and who are in power at the state and local level as well. People like Ranger and Aloha have been pushed to the ends of the curve. They are the outliers, while people like you have made sure to stay in the middle of the curve no matter how skewed it might be.

But you know all that. It just doesn't suite your narrative at the moment.
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I think when we sit down and write the history of the Republican party, we will find that conservatives who care about things like facts, logic, reason, institutional stability, etc., have been the outliers for quite a while now; they just didn't realize it because their guys were the ones holding the power in the party, and keeping the more ignorant trouble-makers in line. That all changed after Obama was elected, and the old guard GOP suddenly started finding themselves getting primaried.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
Why should reasonable people leave the party because of assholes like this? That perpetuates and makes worse the problem you mention. Like any group, the beliefs of those who make up the GOP will form bell curves in a number of measurable metrics. Leaving because of bell-curve outliers is stupid and weak to me. You claim to be one of those. All I can say, if the shoe fits, wear it. But don't piss on those who stay behind with meaningless phrases like "Trumpism" or "the new GOP."

A German friend of mine recently sent me this link to read. This is a rather long read. Nevertheless, the message in this 30 year-old piece has timeless application. I chose to take inspiration from this message instead of the plethora of those who paint with the broad "Trumpism" brush.
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So you would have stayed in the Nazi party trying to reform it from within?? When a group of people go as far off the rails as it appears the Republican Party has it probably can’t be saved, although the Dems came back from its Klan years -a better parallel than what happened in Germany.
 
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I think when we sit down and write the history of the Republican party, we will find that conservatives who care about things like facts, logic, reason, institutional stability, etc., have been the outliers for quite a while now; they just didn't realize it because their guys were the ones holding the power in the party, and keeping the more ignorant trouble-makers in line. That all changed after Obama was elected, and the old guard GOP suddenly started finding themselves getting primaried.
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The recession and the TARP bailouts and auto bailouts that followed gave rise to the Tea Party anarchists, who overran the old guard GOP. They booted Richard Lugar, for fxcks sake. That's who we're dealing with today -- the people who booted Dick Fxcking Lugar.
 
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UncleMark said:
The recession and the TARP bailouts and auto bailouts that followed gave rise to the Tea Party anarchists, who overran the old guard GOP. They booted Richard Lugar, for fxcks sake. That's who we're dealing with today -- the people who booted Dick Fxcking Lugar.
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Dick was a Rhino..and that’s all we needed to know.
 
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Exactly. I don't think there's really a solution to this. I try really hard to check and double check if a story is true before I bounce it off of friends. For instance, there was a story that Eric Trump knew about the attack on Soleimani before the attack because last week he tweeted something about "opening up a can of whoop ass". What was forwarded around was half the tweet. The other half had the story and video of US Marines arriving at the US Embassy in Baghdad.

I can't stand any of the Trumps, but it's just plain irresponsible to spread nonsense to people who are eager to lap things up that fits their political leanings (think VPM and Hillz). I really am glad there is a Snopes out there and some great news sources for which you can kinda triangulate information.

Sadly, most people aren't going to do that and I've been plenty guilty of doing so, but I'm really striving to be more careful.

hoot1 said:
With today's technology you can show people doing and saying anything.

Think of the depths negative political advertising can go.

On top of this, with millions getting most of their information from social media and with the technology being available to the average guy, we all can manipulate the news. We all are now part of the major media.
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I can't stand any of the Trumps, but it's just plain irresponsible to spread nonsense to people who are eager to lap things up that fits their political leanings (think VPM and Hillz). I really am glad there is a Snopes out there and some great news sources for which you can kinda triangulate information.
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Snopes? Snopes??? VPM and Hilz will tell you they are no more credible than MSNBC and Mother Jones.
 
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UncleMark said:
Except that these guys aren't "bell curve outliers" -- they're the ones in control, the legislators and executives and more and more the judges, the ones that control the party apparatus, and who are in power at the state and local level as well. People like Ranger and Aloha have been pushed to the ends of the curve. They are the outliers, while people like you have made sure to stay in the middle of the curve no matter how skewed it might be.

But you know all that. It just doesn't suite your narrative at the moment.
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You are wrong with all of that. As I pointed out, there is no single metric for measuring what it means to be a Republican. In terms of ideas and proposals, I think I’m pretty much in the middle, and in terms of guns, abortion and some other issues, I’m on the left side of the curve.

For you, and many others the only relevant metric seems to be Trump’s style and conduct. That stuff is less important than ideas to me. But I will say I think Trump is the outlier with that measure.

I’d also say that for the average Democrat, Trump hasn’t changed the GOP very much. Romney was an elite racist, Bush was an ignoramus and racist, and G. H. W. Bush was a racist and saddled with Reaganomics meaning screw the minorities and poor. Trump is a different verse of the same old Democrat song; but he stands out because he has been more effective than the others.
 
CO. Hoosier said:
Why should reasonable people leave the party because of assholes like this? That perpetuates and makes worse the problem you mention. Like any group, the beliefs of those who make up the GOP will form bell curves in a number of measurable metrics. Leaving because of bell-curve outliers is stupid and weak to me. You claim to be one of those. All I can say, if the shoe fits, wear it. But don't piss on those who stay behind with meaningless phrases like "Trumpism" or "the new GOP."

A German friend of mine recently sent me this link to read. This is a rather long read. Nevertheless, the message in this 30 year-old piece has timeless application. I chose to take inspiration from this message instead of the plethora of those who paint with the broad "Trumpism" brush.
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I’ll read when I have the time to do so.

While I may be a bit guilty of being Chicken Little when it comes to how bad the GOP is, you’re also burying your head in the sand. The good doctor here isn’t alone nor is he being chastised by GOP leadership. Gaetz, Duncan Hunter, Inhofe with his goddamned snowball, etc are just the tip of the iceberg. The idiots have declared open season in the GOP and that’s not the way it used to be. It’s a disaster folks (using language Trump supporters understand).
 
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INRanger27 said:
I’ll read when I have the time to do so.

While I may be a bit guilty of being Chicken Little when it comes to how bad the GOP is, you’re also burying your head in the sand. The good doctor here isn’t alone nor is he being chastised by GOP leadership. Gaetz, Duncan Hunter, Inhofe with his goddamned snowball, etc are just the tip of the iceberg. The idiots have declared open season in the GOP and that’s not the way it used to be. It’s a disaster folks (using language Trump supporters understand).
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Do you really think all the idiots are in the GOP? I’ll see your Gaetz, Duncan Hunter, and Inhofe and raise you The Squad, Schiff, Sanders, and Maxine Waters.

Politics is becoming crazier because reasonable people think they are pushed out.
 
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Do you really think all the idiots are in the GOP? I’ll see your Gaetz, Duncan Hunter, and Inhofe and raise you The Squad, Schiff, Sanders, and Maxine Waters.

Politics is becoming crazier because reasonable people think they are pushed out.
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I never said that they weren’t on the Left too. I’m specifically talking about the GOP and why I no longer vote that way by default. When the party grows a pair and starts to push out the aforementioned nitwits (how did I forget Gohmert?) - perhaps I’ll be back - especially as the Dems push even further left (which I believe is a direct result of the nitwittery of the current #NewGOP).
 
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especially as the Dems push even further left (which I believe is a direct result of the nitwittery of the current #NewGOP).
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That’s an interesting take which I can’t accept. The socialist/left push I think is a direct result of the Democrats’ insatiable appetite to demonize and protest normalcy. That might have been productive 50-100 years ago as we began to overcome some serious social issues. But it never stops. I thought the Hong Kong protests were illustrative. The protesters there showed the American Flag as a symbol of the freedom they sought. The protesters here protest the same flag. Why?
 
CO. Hoosier said:
That’s an interesting take which I can’t accept. The socialist/left push I think is a direct result of the Democrats’ insatiable appetite to demonize and protest normalcy. That might have been productive 50-100 years ago as we began to overcome some serious social issues. But it never stops. I thought the Hong Kong protests were illustrative. The protesters there showed the American Flag as a symbol of the freedom they sought. The protesters here protest the same flag. Why?
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You serious, Clark?
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Edit: in sincerity, I do strongly believe that the “Dumbening” of the GOP is pushing people left and Trump gave that rocket boosters. I guess we’ll find out come November. If the Dems nominate an Uber liberal and they win the popular vote, the proof will be in the pudding.
 
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If the Dems nominate an Uber liberal and they win the popular vote, the proof will be in the pudding.
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They nominated a mainstream liberal and won the popular vote the last time. Look what it got them.
 
Republicans are the American version of the Baath Party. A minority keeping power over the majority...all because of a ridiculously outdated 18th Century law. Don't get me started on the Senate either. CA gets 2 Senators and so does Rhode Island? What is wrong with this picture?

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We’ve won the popular vote in every presidential election since 1992 except for 2004.
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We’ve won the popular vote in every presidential election since 1992 except for 2004.
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you don’t understand this POTUS election thing, do you? There are 50 Popular votes and Trump won more of those both in absolute terms and population weighted terms.
 
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More Americans voted for Hillary than Trump. Stop playing word games and just accept that fact.
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I've got two people blocked; one because he's just to stupid to be real and the other because he's a bloviating asshat. I assume you are talking to the latter. Filtering them out will lower your blood pressure and make you have a better view of the populace in general
 
UncleMark said:
They nominated a mainstream liberal and won the popular vote the last time. Look what it got them.
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no, they didn't. not even close.

they nominated a bought and paid for Wall St lackey, free trading, neocon, who is right of Nixon.

and it cost them the white blue collar vote in the swing states, which cost them the election.

the big money DNC funders are hoping history repeats itself, and actively working toward that end.

the current definition of "mainstream liberal" is a pro choice economic conservative looking to extend the working class's 40 yr plus losing streak.

that 40 plus yr losing streak didn't just happen by accident.
 
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you don’t understand this POTUS election thing, do you? There are 50 Popular votes and Trump won more of those both in absolute terms and population weighted terms.
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We have an electoral college? When the hell did this happen? Next thing you’re gonna tell me is you need 270 to win or something. I bet you’re the board’s scholar.

I see nuance isn’t your strong suit. I’m talking about the total popular vote, not the electoral college. If you can’t keep up with the conversation, step aside.
 
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You are playing word games. You can’t take Hillary’s California victory margin and spread it around in Ohio, Michigan or anywhere else.
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No, I'm just stating a plain fact. You're the one playing games. I've conversed with you long enough that I find it hard to believe you'd be stupid enough to actually think otherwise.
 
ButHerEmails said:
We have an electoral college? When the hell did this happen? Next thing you’re gonna tell me is you need 270 to win or something. I bet you’re the board’s scholar.

I see nuance isn’t your strong suit. I’m talking about the total popular vote, not the electoral college. If you can’t keep up with the conversation, step aside.
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Total popular vote is a nothingburger. It’s not relevant to anything. It’s like suggesting the total popular vote should decide the senate.
 
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