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So why Ukraine?

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One of the puzzling questions about this whole Ukraine business has been why Trump and esp Rudy G have been focused on Ukraine as ground zero. Why choose Ukraine as the area to attack Biden- why try so hard to push the false narrative that Shokin was working diligently to investigate Burisma,when history shows us that is just not true...

The answer may lie in the Russian emigre community of Brighton Beach, specifically in the area known as "Little Odessa" where what used to be the Russian Mob is now the Ukranian Mob.We've addressed Trump's mob connections before,and two names you need to know are "Sam" Kislin and Pavel Fuks...

Here's a little bit of the History between Trump, Giuliani, and Kislin...

"Real estate was a favorite safe haven for fugitive Russian monies since they could convert mountains of cash into opulent residential addresses with few reporting requirements.

Nobody understood that better than Donald Trump, who had been cultivating Russian and other ex-Soviet clients from the beginning. But in 1998 he was struggling to survive. His casino and resort operations in Atlantic City were in deep trouble, and to recover he had to launch an enormous construction project—what would be at the time the world’s tallest all-residential building: Trump World Tower opposite the United Nations in New York. It was a huge gamble. Trump was under a mountain of debt to German banks. But the apartments were especially attractive to oligarchs who had just seen the ruble collapse and were rushing to get even more of their money out of Russia.

That’s where Kislin stepped in. As Bloomberg Businessweek reported, he offered his former Soviet compatriots personal mortgages, which presumably allowed them the time to move their money and, if they chose actually to be in New York, to live in over-the-top Trumpian luxury.

The 1990s also saw the flowering of Kislin’s relationship with Rudy Giuliani. As a matter of public record, when Giuliani ran for mayor in 1993 and then for re-election in 1997, Kislin, his family and companies contributed $46,250 to Giuliani’s campaign and organized fundraisers that garnered much more. Giuliani then appointed Kislin to the mayor’s Council of Economic Advisors, a position that Kislin still brags about.

MOB ALLEGATIONS

In 1999, as Giuliani was about to launch his campaign against Hillary Clinton for the U.S. Senate in the 2000 election, Kislin reportedly co-chaired a fundraiser for him that racked up $2.1 million in contributions. But just then an investigation by the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity made headlines: “Rudy Donor Linked To Russian Mob,” bannered the New York Post. Even The Moscow Times ran the Associated Press version of the story.

The Center for Public Integrity report noted that Kislin acknowledged “a business history with a reputed Soviet Bloc crime figure and a notorious arms dealer.” It cited a 1996 Interpol report that claimed Kislin’s Trans Commodities was “used by two reputed mobsters from Uzbekistan, Lev and Mikhail Chernoy, for fraud and embezzlement.” It stated that “a confidential 1994 FBI intelligence report on the Brooklyn, N.Y., mob organization headed by Vyacheslav Ivankov, the imprisoned godfather of Russian organized crime in the United States, lists Kislin as a ‘member/associate’ of Ivankov’s gang. It claims that his company co-sponsored a Russian crime boss and contract killer for a U.S. visa and asserts that he was a ‘close associate’ of the late notorious arms smuggler Babeck Seroush, who later settled in Russia.”

Under the previous Ukranian Govt, Kislin was banned from the Ukraine in 2017. Anti-corruption forces in the country viewed him as a gangster, with ties to the Russian (now Ukranian) mob. But after Zelensky took over,that decision was reversed,and now Kislin is involved in a contentious legal battle to recover money he claims the previous administration "stole" from him.

Anti-corruption forces in the Ukraine are not happy with someone like Kislin being admitted back into the country...

"The head of Transparency International in Kyiv, Andrii Borovyk, told The Daily Beast he is concerned about businessmen previously returning to Ukraine who previously were banned by law. “Kislin and his friends with dubious backgrounds helped Giuliani to get elected,” Borovyk said, adding, “Their activities should be a concern for any state.“

One of Kislin's "friends" is Pavel Fuks,a Ukranian billionaire who just happens to be another Giuliani
supporter. besides having ties to the deposed Yanukovich regime (that Manafort worked for) Fuks is also generally recognized as one of the "fine Ukranian people" that has been promoting the Biden conspiracy theory to Giuliani...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-giuliani-connections-ukraine-corruption-040159634.html
 
One of the puzzling questions about this whole Ukraine business has been why Trump and esp Rudy G have been focused on Ukraine as ground zero. Why choose Ukraine as the area to attack Biden- why try so hard to push the false narrative that Shokin was working diligently to investigate Burisma,when history shows us that is just not true...

The answer may lie in the Russian emigre community of Brighton Beach, specifically in the area known as "Little Odessa" where what used to be the Russian Mob is now the Ukranian Mob.We've addressed Trump's mob connections before,and two names you need to know are "Sam" Kislin and Pavel Fuks...

Here's a little bit of the History between Trump, Giuliani, and Kislin...

"Real estate was a favorite safe haven for fugitive Russian monies since they could convert mountains of cash into opulent residential addresses with few reporting requirements.

Nobody understood that better than Donald Trump, who had been cultivating Russian and other ex-Soviet clients from the beginning. But in 1998 he was struggling to survive. His casino and resort operations in Atlantic City were in deep trouble, and to recover he had to launch an enormous construction project—what would be at the time the world’s tallest all-residential building: Trump World Tower opposite the United Nations in New York. It was a huge gamble. Trump was under a mountain of debt to German banks. But the apartments were especially attractive to oligarchs who had just seen the ruble collapse and were rushing to get even more of their money out of Russia.

That’s where Kislin stepped in. As Bloomberg Businessweek reported, he offered his former Soviet compatriots personal mortgages, which presumably allowed them the time to move their money and, if they chose actually to be in New York, to live in over-the-top Trumpian luxury.

The 1990s also saw the flowering of Kislin’s relationship with Rudy Giuliani. As a matter of public record, when Giuliani ran for mayor in 1993 and then for re-election in 1997, Kislin, his family and companies contributed $46,250 to Giuliani’s campaign and organized fundraisers that garnered much more. Giuliani then appointed Kislin to the mayor’s Council of Economic Advisors, a position that Kislin still brags about.

MOB ALLEGATIONS

In 1999, as Giuliani was about to launch his campaign against Hillary Clinton for the U.S. Senate in the 2000 election, Kislin reportedly co-chaired a fundraiser for him that racked up $2.1 million in contributions. But just then an investigation by the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity made headlines: “Rudy Donor Linked To Russian Mob,” bannered the New York Post. Even The Moscow Times ran the Associated Press version of the story.

The Center for Public Integrity report noted that Kislin acknowledged “a business history with a reputed Soviet Bloc crime figure and a notorious arms dealer.” It cited a 1996 Interpol report that claimed Kislin’s Trans Commodities was “used by two reputed mobsters from Uzbekistan, Lev and Mikhail Chernoy, for fraud and embezzlement.” It stated that “a confidential 1994 FBI intelligence report on the Brooklyn, N.Y., mob organization headed by Vyacheslav Ivankov, the imprisoned godfather of Russian organized crime in the United States, lists Kislin as a ‘member/associate’ of Ivankov’s gang. It claims that his company co-sponsored a Russian crime boss and contract killer for a U.S. visa and asserts that he was a ‘close associate’ of the late notorious arms smuggler Babeck Seroush, who later settled in Russia.”

Under the previous Ukranian Govt, Kislin was banned from the Ukraine in 2017. Anti-corruption forces in the country viewed him as a gangster, with ties to the Russian (now Ukranian) mob. But after Zelensky took over,that decision was reversed,and now Kislin is involved in a contentious legal battle to recover money he claims the previous administration "stole" from him.

Anti-corruption forces in the Ukraine are not happy with someone like Kislin being admitted back into the country...

"The head of Transparency International in Kyiv, Andrii Borovyk, told The Daily Beast he is concerned about businessmen previously returning to Ukraine who previously were banned by law. “Kislin and his friends with dubious backgrounds helped Giuliani to get elected,” Borovyk said, adding, “Their activities should be a concern for any state.“

One of Kislin's "friends" is Pavel Fuks,a Ukranian billionaire who just happens to be another Giuliani
supporter. besides having ties to the deposed Yanukovich regime (that Manafort worked for) Fuks is also generally recognized as one of the "fine Ukranian people" that has been promoting the Biden conspiracy theory to Giuliani...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-giuliani-connections-ukraine-corruption-040159634.html


So surprisingly enough the main targets of subpoenas from House investigators appears to be Ukrainians with a connection to Rudy going back at least a decade. Some of them are also coincidentally enough customers of his "security consulting" operation he reverted to following the collapse of his political career

"Giuliani’s contracts, and who paid for them, are now coming under heavy scrutiny by Congress as it tries to trace his shadow diplomatic work for President Donald Trump in Ukraine. House Democrats have demanded documents and communications among Giuliani, TriGlobal and its co-founder and president, Vitaly Pruss, going back to the beginning of the Trump presidency. Pruss has played a pivotal role in connecting Giuliani to the Ukrainians who make up the backbone of the House’s subpoena request."

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/giuliani-ukraine-tied-firm-whose-093837639.html
 
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