Otherwise, you go into College Park at 4-6, having to win your last 2 to go bowling. The UM and Iowa games that once looked doable now look undoable. Hoosiers better be all healthy by next weekend.
So the Rutgers game is a must-win, right?
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Rutgers blows. If you contain Caroo you will win. They just paid off his baby mama and got her to drop the chargers for beating her up after a game.
Rutgers showed against MSU that they'll be a formidable test. If IU can't beat them at home, it's likely that they won't receive a bowl berth this year. Not sure what that means for Wilson in year five, but I would think his best hope will be to enter next season without a contract extension, which won't make the slow recruiting start end well.
Truth is those two (UM & UI) were never "doable", just possible, and they still are but those are good teams. Doubt we beat either one. All that crazy talk about 8 wins now looks...well, crazy. I said from day one didn't think this was our breakout season, another year or two maybe. But we are taking steps. A couple of yrs ago this game would have been 52-7. Small steps...one at a time.
You blow.
Michigan St. was very lucky to escape Rutgers Stadium last night with a win.
This will never happen.
He either gets an extension after this season or is fired
If Wilson enters year 6 without an extension, you have grounds for firing Fred Glass
Right about coach, but Glass? Geeesh, I get the feeling some people think he's sandbagging on hiring coaches! Good Lord folks, who was a better choice for Glass than Wilson? My complaint was no HC experience, but that's debatable at least. Every coach he's hired seemed the best choice at the time. Our first choices for coach didn't want the job...period. Glass has done a great job as AD. Don't pin Crean on him....everyone in B-town knows who was behind that hire, and paid for it. Wilson nor Glass, imo, isn't going anywhere.
CKW showed early on that he did not have any head coaching experience. And, in the short run IU paid a price. But now he has experience and he will continue to gain more. I think the way he handled the rotating quarterback situation was terrible but that is in the past. And yes not having a stable of competent quarterbacks is a problem - a big problem. But hiring a new coach is not a quick fix for that. The Rutgers game is huge. Especially since they played the Spartans so tough.
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I have no disagreement with that at all. But when you referred to Glass, one sport can't get a guy fired. Right? Don't get so worked up. No one is attacking you.
Glass isn't getting fired regardless of what he does with Wilson. It's simply not going to happen.
As for an extension, what if one isn't offered? Would Wilson resign? Would recruiting decline any more than it already seems to be doing? The answer to both questions is likely "no", so there's really less downside than some seem to believe.
I'm not saying Glass shouldn't do one or the other, but the IU football world won't go into a tailspin if he does nothing. The real issue will be whether a fifth straight losing season costs Wilson his job, not whether it merits a contract extension.
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Same here! These posts are so easy to misinterpret. Please forgive any dribble from me. My brains not fully awake yet.
MSU does just enough to win a second weekend in a row.
Remember, Purdue also barely lost to MSU @ MSU and so
far Purdue hasn't established itself as an elite team this
season.
Remember, Purdue also barely lost to MSU @ MSU and so
far Purdue hasn't established itself as an elite team this
season.
Purdue is a long way from elite. They might be looking at 1-11 again-with the 1 coming against Indiana State.
This is a key game for Rutgers as well. At 2-3 if we don't beat Indiana we'll have to kiss our bowl aspirations goodbye. Right now we're hoping to beat Maryland, Indiana, Army and Nebraska to get to a bowl game. I think both teams will come out on fire to try and get the win to get one step closer to securing a postseason.
Also, RU's coach is in trouble. He had the problem of the arrested players and contact with a professor over a grade. Some people think he has "lost" the team and want him fired now. The combination of losing to IU (and probably losing bowl eligibility) and these other problems can definitely put him over the edge. I get the feeling the administration may want to clean house at the end of the season. I don't know how RU's players feel about Flood, but they may be playing for his job. RU definitely sees this as a "must win".
This is a must win for IU. Lose this one and Maryland and the pukes are the best shots at winning. As bad as MD has been, there is no telling how they will respond to their new coach. If the respond like Illinois did, they can play a decent game, and everybody knows how bad IU's road record is. The pukes have shown they can play half decent like against MSU, and who knows what IU's injury situation will be by then. These ankle injuries can be chronic. And the game is in pukeland.
I think both teams will be playing hard in this one as they both have a lot to lose.
This is stupid. They have some speedy backs and IU has the penchant for giving up the big play. No B1G team is out of it when playing IU. We beat PSU by 20 in 2013, but you have to go back to 2005 when IU beat Illinois by 23 to find a game when we beat a B1G team by more than a few points. It will be a close game.
Agree....but didn't we basically run Purdue out of the house a couple years ago....the Roberson curtain-call game?
You are correct. In 2013 we beat a horrible puke team 56-36. I missed that one.
Remember Purdue almost beat MSU as well and Purdue is terrible so just because you stayed close to MSU does not make you a good team
The Illinois game that year seemed kinda "in hand" IIRC, as well.
Man, looking back, with that offense, we should've won at least 6.....Navy loss at home, drawing Mizzou, the clustereff against Minnesota....
I remember putting together a Bucket Game iten on Expedia during the last drive against Minny, thinking a win there would be for a bowl.
Man, looking back, with that offense, we should've won at least 6.....Navy loss at home, drawing Mizzou, the clustereff against Minnesota....
I remember putting together a Bucket Game iten on Expedia during the last drive against Minny, thinking a win there would be for a bowl.
Uh... okay.
Rutgers has been one of the two worst teams in the league all year. You can say "I know what you are, but what am I?" all you want, dude. But Rutgers has been very bad.
You've got a good wide receiver and a good enough quarterback, but that defense is just terrible.
Is it true we open as 7 point favorites? I'm assuming Vegas is assuming we have both our guys back? That seems fat even with both of them playing...does it not?
Vegas still valuing us based on the OSU close call, and writing off last week as a fluke outlier because we didn't have our studs?
Vegas still valuing us based on the OSU close call, and writing off last week as a fluke outlier because we didn't have our studs?
From what I can find, there are no odds on this game yet, likely because of the uncertainty of Sud/Howard
What are you talking about? Outside of the Penn State game (28-3), Rutgers has been in both game for their 2 losses. A dropped INT at the end of the game against Washington State and a missed PI against Michigan State could have Rutgers at 4-1. IU games against S. Illinois and W. Kentucky could have easily been in the other column. IU could be 2-4. Instead of calling out teams saying they suck, let's wait to the end of the season before we judge the entire body of work.
RUs defense is ranked higher than their offense 66 total defense/ 79 total offense
As an FYI
IU is 19/123 out of 128
I think it's safe to say the "improvement" we have seen defensively is wishful thinking
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Pretty much agree. This game looks 50/50 to me even with Sud and Howard. We've been on the other side of the stick several times, and given Rutgers schedule, could have posted the same results.
Rutgers is not very good. Of course, we aren't very good without Nate and Jordan.
Due to significant variations in opponents, its hard to assess quality of offenses/defenses based on yardages/points, especially this early in the season
The best full strength offense Rutgers has faced this year is Wash St and they gave up 37 points and 560 yards. (MSU is riddled with injuries on offense). IU has played 2 significantly better offenses in WKU and OSU, and had equal or better performances
Efficiency stats which take into account opponents and pace ranks IU's defense 85th (not good, but improving over past years) and Rutgers 109th.
Good points. Well stated
You might be overstating OSUs offense. They were struggling going into the IU game. They certainly have the talent
Where has IU been previously that 85th is an improvement?
Saw it on 24/7 Sports Inside Indiana (powered by CBS Sports)
IU now down to a 6.5 favorite...so it must be live, I would think.
Not saying that OSU's offense is playing great, but I still think that its still much better than Wash St.
IU was in the 100's under Mallory. Also, I think the SIU game is really dragging down the rating, so if IU can maintain the performance that we've seen the last couple of games, I wouldn't be surprised to see IU end up in the mid to low 70's at the end of the season.
Also, for IU's defense, I think the most instrumental player on the team is Howard. The guy is just a clock eating machine, which will keep our defense rested. I think the defense has been wearing out in his absence the last 2 games. So having him healthy will go a long way in making IU's defense look better
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I know you weren't saying it but I hate the take away this game or take away the big plays and it's a different story, bs.
I have been reading that here all season. You can't say take away the big plays and we are a good defense. We are a bad defense partly because we consistently give up big plays
Where do you find efficiency stats for football
Thanks in advance, and sorry about all the questions
Our team looks much better from the start off the year. You need to take into consideration that from game 1 most of our starting 2 deep in the secondary was kicked off the team (iirc 12 players in total most were DBs, some put in jail) so we are playing with a lot of green freshmen in the secondary. That is not the situation you want when you face a Mike Leech offense with WSU...
Fast forward to the MSU game and the secondary has significantly improved (they actually stick with their man in man coverage now and much fewer coverage break downs) with a lot of Cook's throws being contested. Not to mention a lot of punishing hits on the ball carrier. In addition our OL and DL have improved a lot since the start off the year. We are replacing starters on the OL and playing without our best DL (out for season) so the adjustment takes time. WR Caroo was also out for the PSU and Kansas games making our offense look lost.
All in all we are a much improved team from what was seen at the start off the season. Our team seems to be gelling now.
Fast forward to the MSU game and the secondary has significantly improved (they actually stick with their man in man coverage now and much fewer coverage break downs) with a lot of Cook's throws being contested. Not to mention a lot of punishing hits on the ball carrier. In addition our OL and DL have improved a lot since the start off the year. We are replacing starters on the OL and playing without our best DL (out for season) so the adjustment takes time. WR Caroo was also out for the PSU and Kansas games making our offense look lost.
All in all we are a much improved team from what was seen at the start off the season. Our team seems to be gelling now.
If the IU offensive line gets back to playing like it did vs Western Ky I like our chances. Only the coaches know the real problem there run blocking. Seem like our center and right tackle have struggled. Is gardiner ready to play? If so play him. We need to shake things up in there because we have some depth that could help. Greg Frey needs to have these guys ready to play Saturday.
When IU plays with much to lose, they generally play very tight. Yeah....don"t like our chances at all here. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Total defense is a joke statistic - it doesn't take into account pace, which is at the heart of IU's gameplan.
Rutgers is ranked 103rd in Team S&P, and are 109th in team defense. Their one FBS win is against Kansas, who is a total tire fire. They're not a good football team. Indiana should not lose this game, and if we do, we have far bigger problems.
