So the Indiana fanbase is scaring away potential coaches?

Tony Warwick

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If any coach would shy away from the opportunity to rebuild Indiana Basketball because there is "too much passion in the fanbase," then I don't want that person as our head coach.

There are plenty of smaller jobs with less pressure in easier conferences whose fans rarely show up to games and are less demanding. Does anyone really feel sorry for Tom Crean or Archie Miller because they got a raw deal? Those guys won the lottery by accepting the IU job and are set for life as the result. Yes, we will get upset if you don't recruit good kids, run a clean program, represent the University well and WIN, but is that a bad thing?

Not everyone is cut out to be the President/CEO/Head Coach of Indiana Basketball and that's ok. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

That being said, if you are a confident individual who is driven to succeed and willing to bust your ass to do so, then you could end up retiring from coaching one day achieving legendary status.

Is that so bad?
 

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The biggest bs out there, can you imagine Kentucky fans if they had to deal with the ineptitude we've had to deal with the past 20 years? North Carolina? They'd burn the place down.

It's the administration's and the local media's way of deflecting blame on people that literally have no control over what happens.

Is it the fan's fault that Bob Kravitz wrote an article bashing Romeo right after he committed? Is it the fan's fault Jim Croyle wrote an article about Matta's health as fact based on a hunch? Is it the fan's fault Greg Doyle is on local radio calling Marquette a better job than Indiana? Is it that fan's fault the administration has made one bad hire after another since 2002.

Gtfooh with that bs.
 

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I can’t imagine many men’s basketball head coaching candidates, ones that IU would consider, being scared away by high fan base expectations. Or to look at it another way, I can’t see anyone worth looking at that would think Archies performance for 4 years at IU was good enough for pretty much anywhere, let alone IU. Or that the up a down nature of Creans time at IU was good enough.

Whoever the candidates are, will nearly all have had much better successes than Crean or Archie had...at schools with less tradition and resources to what IU offers. They’ll come in with pretty high expectations of what they’ll likely be able to do.
 
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The biggest bs out there, can you imagine Kentucky fans if they had to deal with the ineptitude we've had to deal with the past 20 years? North Carolina? They'd burn the place down.

It's the administration's and the local media's way of deflecting blame on people that literally have no control over what happens.

Is it the fan's fault that Bob Kravitz wrote an article bashing Romeo right after he committed? Is it the fan's fault Jim Croyle wrote an article about Matta's health as fact based on a hunch? Is it the fan's fault Greg Doyle is on local radio calling Marquette a better job than Indiana? Is it that fan's fault the administration has made one bad hire after another since 2002.

Gtfooh with that bs.
The local and national media have provided nothing of substance since Archie was let go: pretty par for the course, only expect it to get worse. Wild theories on coaching candidates, telling IU fans how they should react and behave, and remarking on how good or bad the IU job is equates to less than two cents.
 
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The task at hand will require a lot of conviction and a well planned strategy. Wishy washy folks need not apply. After all......"It's Indiana".

Screw the national media. Most of them never 'got' it to begin with; most of them suffer from east coast bias. Who cares what they think about basketball in flyover country.
 
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The biggest bs out there, can you imagine Kentucky fans if they had to deal with the ineptitude we've had to deal with the past 20 years? North Carolina? They'd burn the place down.

It's the administration's and the local media's way of deflecting blame on people that literally have no control over what happens.

Is it the fan's fault that Bob Kravitz wrote an article bashing Romeo right after he committed? Is it the fan's fault Jim Croyle wrote an article about Matta's health as fact based on a hunch? Is it the fan's fault Greg Doyle is on local radio calling Marquette a better job than Indiana? Is it that fan's fault the administration has made one bad hire after another since 2002.

Gtfooh with that bs.

that’s 100% correct, a large portion of the fan base already wants Calipari to move out after this year.
 

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If any coach would shy away from the opportunity to rebuild Indiana Basketball because there is "too much passion in the fanbase," then I don't want that person as our head coach.

There are plenty of smaller jobs with less pressure in easier conferences whose fans rarely show up to games and are less demanding. Does anyone really feel sorry for Tom Crean or Archie Miller because they got a raw deal? Those guys won the lottery by accepting the IU job and are set for life as the result. Yes, we will get upset if you don't recruit good kids, run a clean program, represent the University well and WIN, but is that a bad thing?

Not everyone is cut out to be the President/CEO/Head Coach of Indiana Basketball and that's ok. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

That being said, if you are a confident individual who is driven to succeed and willing to bust your ass to do so, then you could end up retiring from coaching one day achieving legendary status.

Is that so bad?
Lot more parity in College ball these days. A good coach can take a team far even without the history and rabid fan base. Some would just prefer the less challenging option and good money to the additional stress and risk. I don’t blame them, just not the right fit.
 
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Can we stop with the "fan bases scaring coaches away" theory.

Coaches arent being scared away.

Ppl today are con artists and over confident from arrogance.
Theyll sell you the world at every opportunity they can to further themselves, no matter how much out and out bullshit and deceit they have to conjure up... Esp for tens of millions of dollars.
They'll find any reason, and any excuse, to manipulate you and further themselves with no regard to the system around them, including the "fan base"...
Give any ppl any kind of position today and they feel like they have a badge, theyre top honcho. ...No matter if theyre merely a bar tender, or work as a secretary at some common family practitioners office...Theyll feel like theyre "somebody", they rule the roost and have power to make overalll decisions no matter how much of a mere middle man they actually are...
Theyll feel theyre in a position of power and wont glve 2 shits what the consumer thinks about it.
Now to take it a step further, You ppl genuinely think a ncaa divion 1 coach gives a rats ass about you, the "fans", or what heat you bring?
Do you really think ppl like Crean and Miller would ever pack their bags on their own if given the time while still being offered a job.
Get real
 

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If any coach would shy away from the opportunity to rebuild Indiana Basketball because there is "too much passion in the fanbase," then I don't want that person as our head coach.

There are plenty of smaller jobs with less pressure in easier conferences whose fans rarely show up to games and are less demanding. Does anyone really feel sorry for Tom Crean or Archie Miller because they got a raw deal? Those guys won the lottery by accepting the IU job and are set for life as the result. Yes, we will get upset if you don't recruit good kids, run a clean program, represent the University well and WIN, but is that a bad thing?

Not everyone is cut out to be the President/CEO/Head Coach of Indiana Basketball and that's ok. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

That being said, if you are a confident individual who is driven to succeed and willing to bust your ass to do so, then you could end up retiring from coaching one day achieving legendary status.

Is that so bad?
? That's been happening for a long time now. That's not a new developement. & the crux of the problem is, imo, as you said the Indiana fanbase gets upset if we don't get certain things, most noteable is to WIN. We are no longer in a position in which it is reasonable to expect to win. We can hope to win, & want to win, but that's exactly the problem the rest of the world has with us: we expect too much at this point in our history. I.E. we don't know & accept our place.
 
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Can we stop with the "fan bases scaring coaches away" theory.

Coaches arent being scared away.

Ppl today are con artists and over confident from arrogance.
Theyll sell you the world at every opportunity they can to further themselves, no matter how much out and out bullshit and deceit they have to conjure up... Esp for tens of millions of dollars.
They'll find any reason, and any excuse, to manipulate you and further themselves with no regard to the system around them, including the "fan base"...
Give any ppl any kind of position today and they feel like they have a badge, theyre top honcho. ...No matter if theyre merely a bar tender, or work as a secretary at some common family practitioners office...Theyll feel like theyre "somebody", they rule the roost and have power to make overalll decisions no matter how much of a mere middle man they actually are...
Theyll feel theyre in a position of power and wont glve 2 shits what the consumer thinks about it.
Now to take it a step further, You ppl genuinely think a ncaa divion 1 coach gives a rats ass about you, the "fans", or what heat you bring?
Do you really think ppl like Crean and Miller would ever pack their bags on their own if given the time while still being offered a job.
Get real
I don’t know what all I just read there, but.....man, that was a head trip right there. Still trying to grasp the complexity of the interconnected thoughts.
 
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If any coach would shy away from the opportunity to rebuild Indiana Basketball because there is "too much passion in the fanbase," then I don't want that person as our head coach.

There are plenty of smaller jobs with less pressure in easier conferences whose fans rarely show up to games and are less demanding. Does anyone really feel sorry for Tom Crean or Archie Miller because they got a raw deal? Those guys won the lottery by accepting the IU job and are set for life as the result. Yes, we will get upset if you don't recruit good kids, run a clean program, represent the University well and WIN, but is that a bad thing?

Not everyone is cut out to be the President/CEO/Head Coach of Indiana Basketball and that's ok. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

That being said, if you are a confident individual who is driven to succeed and willing to bust your ass to do so, then you could end up retiring from coaching one day achieving legendary status.

Is that so bad?

Scaring away bad coaches, maybe.
 

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Here's an idea coaches, don't suck at your job and you won't have to be scared of the fanbase.
 

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The local and national media have provided nothing of substance since Archie was let go: pretty par for the course, only expect it to get worse. Wild theories on coaching candidates, telling IU fans how they should react and behave, and remarking on how good or bad the IU job is equates to less than two cents.

Todays media is about nothing more than clicks... actual truth on any subject disappeared long ago. They don't even try anymore.
 

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If any coach would shy away from the opportunity to rebuild Indiana Basketball because there is "too much passion in the fanbase," then I don't want that person as our head coach.

There are plenty of smaller jobs with less pressure in easier conferences whose fans rarely show up to games and are less demanding. Does anyone really feel sorry for Tom Crean or Archie Miller because they got a raw deal? Those guys won the lottery by accepting the IU job and are set for life as the result. Yes, we will get upset if you don't recruit good kids, run a clean program, represent the University well and WIN, but is that a bad thing?

Not everyone is cut out to be the President/CEO/Head Coach of Indiana Basketball and that's ok. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

That being said, if you are a confident individual who is driven to succeed and willing to bust your ass to do so, then you could end up retiring from coaching one day achieving legendary status.

Is that so bad?

What potential coaches have been scared away so far? We know of one discussion so far and that was BS. No reliable info since.

IU fan does look silly here...but only for all this made up rumor hysteria.
 

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When coaches determine the best situations for themselves, they review the type of expectations in comparison to the programs current stature. Obviously pay does help as well but longevity will often pay more in the long run or even open up better opportunities later.

When doing that, you run into the same issue Michigan football has. At first glance you'd think OF COURSE a coach like Tom Allen would jump at that job. Then you realize the pay is relatively close, the expectations don't require beating Ohio State or winning the B1G consistently (or even at all) to maintain your high paying job. Also, being at IU doesn't limit you from being able to do those things either. 7 win seasons at IU gets you a raise while at MI it gets you fired. Longevity pays more so CTA isn't going anywhere soon. Its not because CTA is "scared", its because he's smart.

My point is, its a catch 22. Yes, IU fans should want a team competing at a high level. Yes, we need a coach who has that same expectation and confidence. But those previously established top football coaches weren't jumping to take over IU because IU wasn't very good. We needed to groom one ourselves. For IU bball.....we have this thought process that a ready made coach is just dying to come here. They simply aren't. IU bball has a rich history but so does UCLA and they aren't getting great coaches either. A lot of coaches don't look at IU as this great opportunity in the same way we think it is. Marquette would've built a statue for what Crean did at IU and we couldn't get rid of him fast enough. Our mentality is one that breeds success and we can maintain that but don't take offense to the fact that the rest of the country is mystified at our personal perception......because we truly aren't what we once were. We have to work to make that reality again. How that happens is a mystery to me.
 

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What potential coaches have been scared away so far? We know of one discussion so far and that was BS. No reliable info since.

IU fan does look silly here...but only for all this made up rumor hysteria.
I would argue that "IU Fan" isn't necessarily an IU fan at all, but someone else spreading rumors to stir up controversy, chaos and a few chuckles.
 

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Todays media is about nothing more than clicks... actual truth on any subject disappeared long ago. They don't even try anymore.
I would certainly agree regarding sports media: not much substance left. Attention whoring comes first, maybe content comes second. I can't stand it.
 
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