So Matta is back as Butler head coach….
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Nothing to see here. IU has always had problems in the AD. When you don’t hire from the outside and keep it all in-house, you’re going to continue to get the same buffoonery you’ve always had. IU is lucky to actually be in the Big Ten when it runs its organization like a 3rd rate JUCO program.
We’ve had two good Athletic Directors in the last 50 years, and none in the last 25. Poor hires, poor stewardship of major programs, poor leadership. Those shortcomings have consequences. There is a reason Glass left a lucrative job he absolutely loved.
As for coaches, Matta passed on the job a year ago (he didn’t fail a physical because he never took one) after the fruitless “pursuit” of Stevens. Fife was shabbily treated, and the mechanism that enabled that has been used previously. That was a Machiavellian hire that was destined for failure. DF should’ve known better, but he was at a career crossroads and couldn’t pass. Again, not a shock. Loved Woody as a player and will keep cheering for his success, but college basketball is different in about every way imaginable than the game he left 42 years ago. He loves X, by the way, but he’s (X) putting MW in a horrible spot by using terrible judgment, and MW doesn’t need that right now.
What a disaster. IU and its mouth breathing fanbase and athletics department just can't get out of its own way. Put together a "dream team" of assistant coaches and assistant ADs, and after one year they all "nope" the F out. I wonder why.
Never mind sports recruits, all the smart graduates GTFO Indiana after graduation. Not only is the athletics dept inept, but the fan base and people are absolutely quixotic and insufferable.
Give it another 20 years and 3 more bball coaching hires. Maybe then some of the idiot fan base will start to realize...
Hyperbolic.
The assistants who have actually brought in recruits are all still here.
The only idiot is you. Fife was fired and Matta was hired for coaching transition purposes. Why wouldn't he leave to take a head coaching job at his alma mater. How dare Butler hire one of their own. Please explain your "smart graduate" comment, if possible.
They call it the "brain drain." Below is a Congressional report about it. Indiana is one of the top 10 worst states for brain drain.
lol @ "if possible." Do you really think a smart graduate wouldn't know exactly what he was talking about?
Matta was hired to make the Woodson hire look better.
Matta being involved and Fife coming on board were some of the very few reasons to be excited about the new hire.
Do you think Matta might have gotten a pay increase when he took the Butler job?
What somehow gets lost in all of this is that coaching hires are often "mutual benefit" situations, as opposed to bringing in someone to be a long-term part of the program. Matta was here to help Woodson transition, but was also here to help himself transition to athletic management. He wasn't here (nor was he needed) to help Woodson recruit or coach. He might have stayed another year or so at most, but he was looking to prepare himself for a job as an AD - likely at Butler. At the time of his hire, nobody was thinking that the Butler coaching job was going to open. My guess is that Matta will try to restore the basketball program there, as well as groom his replacement while he prepares to assume the AD job when Collier retires. His leaving has much more to do with what is happening at Butler than anything that is happening at IU. If I had to guess, I would say that taking the basketball HC position at Butler is something Matta is doing out of a sense of obligation and love for Butler more than out of a burning desire to be a college head coach again.
Unforeseen circumstances occur in college sports just as they do in any career. As for Fife, it was a bad fit and a bad idea to bring him here. An athletic director should never hire an assistant coach. That should be at the sole discretion of the head coach. Their personalities did not fit, their coaching philosophies did not mesh, and when that happens, the assistant has to go. End of story. Fife and Woodson were not friends or contemporaries. By all accounts they had no prior personal or professional relationship. Woodson did not need Fife's help, and Fife probably was unhappy early on that he didn't have greater influence and input. Best for both to move on.
We will have to agree to disagree on what help Woodson needs.
I'm not debating the brain drain in general, as this has been known for decades. I assumed you were referencing the most recent grad transfers from IU.They call it the "brain drain." Below is a Congressional report about it. Indiana is one of the top 10 worst states for brain drain.
lol @ "if possible." Do you really think a smart graduate wouldn't know exactly what he was talking about?
Correct and that is how Dolson sold it and alot of people came around and sound wow this is genius. Woodson is going to be surronded by some great minds. One year later they are both gone. This was all Dolson not Woodson it is as if Dolson and Woodson were likely never on the same page with any of this.
From your seat on the couch, I doubt that you have any understanding whatsoever of what help Woodson needs, or the role of any single person on the staff. You are no more qualified to judge those things than you are to give advice on military matters to the secretary of defense. Mike Woodson has forgotten more about coaching basketball in the last 24 hours than you ever knew or will know.
Lol Woodson had zero college coaching experience and proved that throughout the year by doing things you only see in the NBA. Zero excuse to ever have 5 subs on the court at a time. In FEBRUARY, he stated that he was still getting used to having less timeouts than you get in the NBA. Refuses to call timeouts to stop runs.
Any decent experienced coach will tell you he's still learning something new every season. Even the GOAT coaches will tell you they still make decisions during games occasionally that they later regret. None of them would benefit in any way from any advice offered by the likes of you and others like you whose 20/20 hindsight and gross generalizations about strategy make you believe that you have a clue. You're the kind of guy who believes you can operate the control tower or fly the plane because you've been a passenger. Many idiots have this in common - they fail to appreciate the limits of their own insight.
They call it the "brain drain." Below is a Congressional report about it. Indiana is one of the top 10 worst states for brain drain.
lol @ "if possible." Do you really think a smart graduate wouldn't know exactly what he was talking about?
Do you really think assuming everybody from/in Indiana is stupid is a mature/productive way to approach this issue?
Lol I don’t get paid $3+ million dollars to coach. I’m certainly not qualified to coach at the P6 level. It’s my opinion that Woodson isn’t qualified to coach at that level either though.
What I have observed is that non of the elite coaches in college basketball coach the way Woodson does. Woodson (and pretty much every other coach) should be imitating the way they run their programs and the Xs and Os they use. They are proven successful.
I will ask you since you seem reasonable. I have asked it before but I have never received an answer.
Do you really think and do you have any proof that Dolson hired Fife without consulting Woodson?
I would think that would be HIGHLY unlikely.
To paraphrase Oldcouger77, your observations are meaningless, as you don't have a clue. I believe most will agree.
I have no way of knowing that or exactly how it was presented. I suspect that the hiring of Fife was approved by Woodson but that it was also recommended to him rather than his sole decision. Regardless, it didn't work for whatever reason - and unlike some of the knuckleheads here, I'm not going to blindly speculate about the cause of the firing. Like a lot of things, it probably made sense to all involved at the outset but proved to be better in theory than in practice.
I spent a long career as an assistant coach. I always believed that my status should be completely up to the head coach. If I wasn't on board with what he wanted to do, I would resign rather than be a detriment to the program. I did that twice in a career that spanned more than 30 years, and found a better fit both times. I always figured if I really wanted to run the show and set the course then I needed to look for my own head coaching position.
What you don’t understand or appreciate is the conference knowledge and insight Fife brought to the program. As a ten year veteran of the MSU staff, he often broke down offensive and defensive scouting reports and oversaw certain aspects of game planning. Part of his frustration (allegedly) was that he thought Woody should rely on that information to a much greater degree than he did. Allegedly.
Woodson was consulted and agreed to it, but it wasn’t his idea and he never would’ve done it on his own.
Lol then put me on ignore. Pretty simple solution for you and the other sheep.
Fife didn’t “nope” his way out. And neither did Matta. He got the same opportunity as Woodson. As an alumni and former coach. No real surprise there. I don’t get all of this exasperated reaction to this news.
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To be fair, you are an idiot and simply repeat all your negative views. But at least it mixes thing up!
Neither of them got the same opportunity as Woody and, had Woody been in a position to have sole decision-making authority, neither would’ve been initially hired.
To be fair, no one cares what you think. Keep blindly following your shepherd like a good little sheep.To
To be fair, you are an idiot and simply repeat all your negative views. But at least it mixes thing up!
Why not put the good in March, for coach Woodson.. That's doesn't make for a good post.
Thad is leaving because the opportunity arose now...period. I believe he wants the AD job and this was perfect in the interim. I would have liked to see him at IU one more year to help Woody transition but the timing is what it is. I don't know what Thad did at practice or meetings but he and Woody spoke during games many times. Glad he was there as long as he was and good luck at Butler.
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