So, Hart got passed over, again

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  1. IUCX9

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    Not even CO-OC/Running game coordinator (at least not yet).

    Will he stay or will he go?
     
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    I’d rather him be OC than Sheridan.
     
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    Why?
     
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    shorter name so wouldn't have to type as much :)
     
  5. IndyIUFan66

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    His title promotion was Associate Head Coach I believe. I presume he may want to be a coordinator, but he also may be okay trying to be the best RB coach and recruiter out there and getting a pay raise bump to keep him. He was a teammate of Sheridan I believe at Michigan, so it appears he is happy for his friend and not leaving. But last year he was apparently up for ND RB coach, so nothing would surprise me of people considering other offers.

    But seemingly by most fan views of him, he is universally considered a great coach and recruiter and we want him to say...so pay the man Shirley!
     
  6. fkfootball

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    If Hart leaves, does Allen have anymore friends kids that he needs to hire?
     
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    That would require thought and reasoning, not just bitter snark..,,
     
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    Hart to be Associate HC.
     
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    It could be that Hart also doesn't see himself as a coordinator and that trying to turn himself into one could be a career setback, and that his best path for career advancement is one that bypasses a coordinator position.

    PJ Fleck was only ever WR coach before getting the WMU job. Ferentz has either been an OL coach or HC. Fitzgerald was only a LB coach.

    Bypassing a Coordinator position certainly reduces options for HC jobs, but it is still a viable path forward
     
  10. Charlesroast

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    Coach Hart is on a path to a Head Coach position sooner rather than later, possibly MAC, maybe midwest FCS. He will be successful wherever he goes. Hope can we keep him for another year or so.
     
  11. IUCX9

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    Good point. Very good point.
     
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    I'm fairly certain he's had that title for the past year, possibly twice that long...
     
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    I dont think so. Per Twitter he was elevated to Associate HC.
     
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    Hart was named "Assistant" HC (not Associate), in 2018.

    DeBoer had the Associate title in 2019, and Hart retained the Assistant title
     
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    Deboer had it.
     
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    Interesting and viable points. He may not be as much of an Xs and Os guy like others, but knows the position and knows how to motivate and, perhaps most importantly, seems to be a very good recruiter.

    I didn't know Fleck and Ferentz had never been coordinators. And Fitz bleeds purple, so I can see where he would have been picked.

    Good post!
     
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    And Hart's good with Sheridan & his own promotion.
     
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    Fleck and Ferentz spent some time in the NFL as position coaches, which probably helped and I could see that has part of Hart’s trajectory as well.
     
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    I was thinking NFL, too. He's going to have a lot of options, I'm sure.

    Hopefully he really REALLY likes Bloormington.
     
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    Hart did get a title promotion and I surely a pay raise. I have no inside info, but from the outside looking in; if he recruits and develops our stable of RBs I would make his pay raise significant
     
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    We have a lot of $$$ available! I expect Sheridan, Heard & Hart to get really nice pay raises! Plus we will hire 1 or more analysts.
     
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    You misspelled “promoted”
     
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    Phoney promotion
     
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    What’s phones about it? It is definitely a step up the hierarchy of the coaching tree, a increase in responsibility and a nice pay raise!
     
  25. Pigalow

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    Sheridan was being groomed to be an OC, Hart really wasn't. This move isn't the slap in the face to Hart that a lot of people seem to think it is. Sheridan was heavily involved in play calling, the overall offensive scheming & game planning. Hart was involved primarily with RB's. I STRONGLY suspect that coach Hart would tell you the same basic thing, & that he has no problem with Sheridan being named OC.
     
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    If you read the interview with Deboer, & watch CTA's press conference announcing Sheridan's appointment as OC, I suspect you'll feel much better about this situation...I certainly do. Sheridan has been preparing to be an OC his entire adult life(moreso than I realized)& was heavily involved with the offense last season, including scheming & play calling(MUCH moreso than I realized...).
     
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    I don’t question the hire of Sheridan over Hart. I believe he was brought with the thought that he would possibly be the offensive coordinator here. Tom Allen brought Deboard an experienced play caller who has been at all levels and actually called and won a National championship and who Tom Allen knew and trusted. He convinced Tom Allen to bring Sheridan and Mike Hart on board. I believe Allen was just ready to over the reigns to Sheridan last year so he brought in an up and comer in Kalen Deboer hoping to give Sheridan a little more seasoning and I believe DeBoer gave Allen his blessing . That is just my belief. I would still love to see them an analyst with experience as a play caller to continue to oversee and continue to assist Sheridan.
     
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