Cool if so. Shedding some self-respect speculating on an unsubstantiated rumor but some more frontcourt size sure wouldn't hurt...
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: this_feature_currently_requires_accessing_site_using_safari
But we don't have Crean so I could see Archie not filling that last spot...hard telling thoCool if so. Shedding some self-respect speculating on an unsubstantiated rumor but some more frontcourt size sure wouldn't hurt...
But we don't have Crean so I could see Archie not filling that last spot...hard telling tho
To late to get a quality player and Miller have said he usually doesn't use all 13 scholarships. I say save it for the 2018 class and fill it with quality players. Maybe if there were a good 5th year transfer but not a marginal freshmen.Cool if so. Shedding some self-respect speculating on an unsubstantiated rumor but some more frontcourt size sure wouldn't hurt...
Or use it on someone solid to help balance the classes? Is the point from MN still available? Maybe a grad transfer magically appears.But we don't have Crean so I could see Archie not filling that last spot...hard telling tho
Yea, a grad transfer big would be ideal. We're really thin up front with Davis being our only post player. Then consider he's had a penchant for fouling a bit too much, and that makes it a huge concern.Cool if so. Shedding some self-respect speculating on an unsubstantiated rumor but some more frontcourt size sure wouldn't hurt...
To late to get a quality player...
So smart guy name the names of all the great players out there that has not signed. Guys like you is why I don't come on this site like I use to.The Coach you are not. Glad of that I am.
*haveSo smart guy name the names of all the great players out there that has not signed. Guys like you is why I don't come on this site like I use to.
*areSo smart guy name the names of all the great players out there that has not signed. Guys like you is why I don't come on this site like I use to.
So smart guy name the names of all the great players out there that has not signed. Guys like you is why I don't come on this site like I use to.
So smart guy name the names of all the great players out there that has not signed. Guys like you is why I don't come on this site like I use to.
*have
*used*are
Looks to me you have trouble with a lot of posters so maybe you should look at yourself instead of blaming others.Isn't there an admonition about being seen but not heard that applies to you? No? This one does not pretend to know about uncommitted HS grads in this country, let alone overseas, potential JUCO transfers, graduates with eligibility left, or a whole host of options in Europe, Africa, Australia, S. America and Asia - just not my job. But it is somebody's, and if you don't think that CAM and his staff are all over "what if" scenarios re: an open roster spot with the needs their Team has on the frontline this far out before the Season begins, well, then you don't. I'm of another mind on the matter.
"Guys" like me? OK, cool, sounds like a badge of honor. Is there anything I can do to get you to leave altogether? Can you take Lucy with you?
Peace.
Nahziah CarterSo smart guy name the names of all the great players out there that has not signed. Guys like you is why I don't come on this site like I use to.
Looks to me you have trouble with a lot of posters so maybe you should look at yourself instead of blaming others.
To late to get a quality player and Miller have said he usually doesn't use all 13 scholarships. I say save it for the 2018 class and fill it with quality players. Maybe if there were a good 5th year transfer but not a marginal freshmen.
And our ignorant fanbase termed it 'Creaning'...
And our ignorant fanbase termed it 'Creaning'...
And our ignorant fanbase termed it 'Creaning'...
Well there are only 347 D1 teams - so thats about 2 per team avg...Ok - please list the teams that had player exits similar to IU under Crean. I'll wait.
Well there are only 347 D1 teams - so thats about 2 per team avg...
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketballpay no mind that the number you're working with includes transfers due to coaching changes and low-D1 kids transferring to the NAIA schools.
It happens everywhere but happened here more. lol. how many kids made it to senior night at IU under Crean?
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball
Happens EVERYWHERE...do you follow when guys equivalent to Jonny Marlin, Peter Jurkin, even a Luke Fischer, transfering from schools like Tennesse, Oregon, Boston College...no because who gives 2 shits. You think our old coach did more because you followed the players and program.
Sulieman from Duke to Maryland and Wiltjer to Gonzaga from UK are the only D1 transfers that I can recall outside of IU program that I probably noticed.
That's assuming EVERY team has transfers. They don't.Well there are only 347 D1 teams - so thats about 2 per team avg...
All 5 players of the Ohio State recruiting class of 2015 are gone. None of them made it to their junior seasons. Matta is trying to catch up with Crean. Matta's success on the court is also starting to drop to Crean levels.That's assuming EVERY team has transfers. They don't.
IU under Crean? From when he was hired in 2008 to his dismissal he brought in 45 recruits (Ron Patterson was denied admission). Here they are :
2008
Devan Dumes – exhausted eligibility (2 yrs)
Tijan Jobe - exhausted eligibility (2 yrs)
Verdell Jones – exhausted eligibility
Tom Pritchard – exhausted eligibility
Matt Roth – denied 4th year of eligiblity
Malik Story - Transfer (Nevada)
Nick Williams - Transfer (Ole Miss)
2009
Bobby Capobianco - Transfer (Valparaiso)
Maurice Creek - Transfer (George Washington)
Derek Elston – exhausted eligibility
Jordan Hulls – exhausted eligibility
Bawa Muniru - Transfer (Lee University)
Christian Watford – exhausted eligibility
2010
Victor Olidipo – Left for NBA draft 2013
Will Sheehey – exhausted eligibility
2011
Remy Abell - Transfer (Xavier)
Austin Etherington - Transfer (Butler)
Cody Zeller – Left for NBA draft 2013
2012
Yogi Ferrell – exhausted eligibility
Ron Patterson – denied admission
Jeremy Hollowell - Transfer (Georgia St)
Hanner Mosquera-Perea – Dismissed (toked himself off team)/Transfer (East Tennessee State)
Peter Jurkin- Transfer (East Tennessee State)
2013
Noah Vonleh – Left for NBA draft 2014
Troy Williams – Left for NBA draft 2016
Luke Fischer - Transfer (Marquette)
Stanford Robinson - Transfer (Rhode Island)
Devin Davis – Dismissed (toked himself off team)/Transfer (Odessa College)
Collin Hartman – current 5th year senior
2014
Robert Johnson – current senior
Max Hoetzel - Transfer (San Diego St)
James Blackmon, Jr. – Left for NBA draft 2017
Jeremiah April - Transfer (Trinity Valley CC)
Tim Priller – current senior
Emmitt Holt – Dismissed (drank himself off team)/Transfer (Indian Hills CC)
Nick Zeisloft – exhausted eligibility (grad transfer from Illinois St)
2015
Juwan Morgan – current junior
OG Anunoby – Left for NBA draft 2017
Thomas Bryant – Left for NBA draft 2017
Max Bielfeldt – exhausted eligibility (grad transfer from Michigan)
Josh Newkirk – current senior
2016
Grant Gelon – current sophomore
Curtis Jones – current sophomore
De'Ron Davis – current sophomore
Devonte Green – current sophomore
Freddie McSwain – current senior
Out of 45 recruits seventeen (17) transferred or were denied eligibility - 37.7% of all recruits. Please tell us the program who comes close to those numbers during the Crean era at IU.
Thad's health has been his/the program's biggest issue the last couple years. They're not trending well.All 5 players of the Ohio State recruiting class of 2015 are gone. None of them made it to their junior seasons. Matta is trying to catch up with Crean. Matta's success on the court is also starting to drop to Crean levels.
That's assuming EVERY team has transfers. They don't.
IU under Crean? From when he was hired in 2008 to his dismissal he brought in 45 recruits...Out of 45 recruits seventeen (17) transferred or were denied eligibility - 37.7% of all recruits. Please tell us the program who comes close to those numbers during the Crean era at IU.
Take your point (and remain somewhat in awe of your appetite for and dedication to hoops research) but it's too simplistic. As you note, 3 of the 17 dismissed themselves for bad behavior - you can that put on TC if you're so inclined because he recruited them but good luck doing better in the same spot. Some of those transfers were most assuredly in the Players best interests, a reflection of their own wishes rather than TC's, and/or involved extenuating circumstances to which we are not privy. It sucked that guys like MoCreek and Matt Roth didn't get to finish their eligibility at IU but even there I believe IU honored the deal w.r.t. the original offers (four years). But to imply that the rest of these guys were simply summarily dismissed by CTC without regard for anything but a mercenary no-prisoners approach to winning is lame. Possible but not buying it.
No question that it was TC's merry-go-round and he was the architect of an inordinate level of flux, but, it's over, he's gone and try as some might he was a far cry from the antichristic figure some make him out to be, or the worst coach or thing that ever happened to IU hoops. The Program was close to a dumpster fire when he took over and though he recreated something good enough to claim a #1 ranking and back-to-back outright B10 titles he/it wasn't good enough. Not for IU.
Am for one glad that offers from IU face the prospect of being something singular and exalted rather than dime-a-dozen, that the annual oversign drama may be a thing of the past, and that IU's defense and TO rate are likely in the ascendant. But as for CTC, he's gone – past time to bury the body so to speak and for some move beyond imagining that all IU's ills were of his making. IU hasn't hasn't a GREAT basketball coach since a few years before Knight left, and from my hopeful perspective, CAM represents the end of one lengthy era and the beginning of another. Or so I imagine.
Bash away if you must but I am done talking about CTC for I can speak no ill of the dead. I might make an exception for Andrew Jackson.
Take your point (and remain somewhat in awe of your appetite for and dedication to hoops research) but it's too simplistic. As you note, 3 of the 17 dismissed themselves for bad behavior - you can that put on TC if you're so inclined because he recruited them but good luck doing better in the same spot. Some of those transfers were most assuredly in the Players best interests, a reflection of their own wishes rather than TC's, and/or involved extenuating circumstances to which we are not privy. It sucked that guys like MoCreek and Matt Roth didn't get to finish their eligibility at IU but even there I believe IU honored the deal w.r.t. the original offers (four years). But to imply that the rest of these guys were simply summarily dismissed by CTC without regard for anything but a mercenary no-prisoners approach to winning is lame. Possible but not buying it.
No question that it was TC's merry-go-round and he was the architect of an inordinate level of flux, but, it's over, he's gone and try as some might he was a far cry from the antichristic figure some make him out to be, or the worst coach or thing that ever happened to IU hoops. The Program was close to a dumpster fire when he took over and though he recreated something good enough to claim a #1 ranking and back-to-back outright B10 titles he/it wasn't good enough. Not for IU.
Am for one glad that offers from IU face the prospect of being something singular and exalted rather than dime-a-dozen, that the annual oversign drama may be a thing of the past, and that IU's defense and TO rate are likely in the ascendant. But as for CTC, he's gone – past time to bury the body so to speak and for some move beyond imagining that all IU's ills were of his making. IU hasn't hasn't a GREAT basketball coach since a few years before Knight left, and from my hopeful perspective, CAM represents the end of one lengthy era and the beginning of another. Or so I imagine.
Bash away if you must but I am done talking about CTC for I can speak no ill of the dead. I might make an exception for Andrew Jackson.
And our ignorant fanbase termed it 'Creaning'...
I didn't bring it up - cryano did:
And I understand Crean might not have "run off" all 17. But there were PLENTY of issues: the over-signings annually; Roth kicked to the curb; promises made to Patterson (ask his AAU coach what he thinks of Crean).
Again, 37.7%. Numbers don't lie. Transfers are a problem in NCAA Basketball. For IU under Crean, they were an epidemic.
cognitive bias is swinging both ways today. funny how that works.
You didn't list all the FWO that also moved on..I didn't bring it up - cryano did:
And I understand Crean might not have "run off" all 17. But there were PLENTY of issues: the over-signings annually; Roth kicked to the curb; promises made to Patterson (ask his AAU coach what he thinks of Crean).
Again, 37.7%. Numbers don't lie. Transfers are a problem in NCAA Basketball. For IU under Crean, they were an epidemic.