Should they stay or should they go with May deal or go with no deal ? Let the people decide--Brexit.

[sglowrider]

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View from another angle -- the reality:



Being the selfish ignorant pricks that they are, they are willing to block an ambulance for their little gathering. All 10 of them.
Anyway, they were dispersed in minutes, tried it somewhere else and all gone home within an hour.

They hate Europe so much, they are copying them. Oh the irony!!

Looks like the whole stunt has backfired on them and has damaged Leave.EU's message more than helped.

 

[sglowrider]

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

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Too bad they didn't vote the same way as "polls" register

 

[sglowrider]

Too bad they didn't vote the same way as "polls" register

Like Trump, they never thought a stupid or a joke of an idea would ever go through so many didn't show up.

They ought to make major referendums or elections a compulsory thing. Then thrown in ignorance and misinformation into the equation and this is where we are at.
The folks in Cardiff, Wales, for example, voted to Leave banging on about the loss of autonomy and how much EU was taking so much out of their local economy -- when the fact was that a lot of their industries from the port to the steel mills receives EU infrastructure funding and is currently keeping them and their jobs afloat.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Like Trump, they never thought a stupid or a joke of an idea would ever go through so many didn't show up.

They ought to make major referendums or elections a compulsory thing. Then thrown in ignorance and misinformation into the equation and this is where we are at.
The folks in Cardiff, Wales, for example, voted to Leave banging on about the loss of autonomy and how much EU was taking so much out of their local economy -- when the fact was that a lot of their industries from the port to the steel mills receives EU infrastructure funding and is currently keeping them and their jobs afloat.

One of the main reasons democracy sucks. People with common sense assume that common sense is actually common, so they go drink beers instead, while the people with uncommon sense are on a mission, so they show dedication, and f*ck the nation's pooch.

 

[sglowrider]

One of the main reasons democracy sucks. People with common sense assume that common sense is actually common, so they go drink beers instead, while the people with uncommon sense are on a mission, so they show dedication, and f*ck the nation's pooch.

Ultimately, 'Democracy' will only be a jingoistic illusion in name only; to be weaponised for the powerful or by malicious few in a flattening world of media -- unless we make fake news actually accountable.

 

[sglowrider]

Vladimir Putin warns against second referendum and throws weight behind May
Not to implement Brexit would be to repudiate 'direct democracy', he says during annual press conference

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-theresa-may-second-referendum-a8692606.html

“The referendum happened,” he said. “What can she do? She should fulfil the will of her nation, as expressed at the referendum. Or it isn’t a referendum.”
The Kremlin has been accused of attempting to influence the initial Brexit vote, but that did not deter the Russian president from warning against a second people’s vote.
Not to implement Brexit now would be to repudiate “direct democracy”, he said, adding: “Is it democracy not to care about this Brexit and continue voting until someone is happy with the result?”

He should know -- he always wins his elections by, margins of over 95%.

 

[sglowrider]

These Brexit/populist scammers are everywhere:



In a statement, the Department for Transport said: "Before any contract was signed, due diligence on Seaborne Freight was carried out both by senior officials at the Department for Transport, and highly reputable independent third-party organisations with significant experience and expertise into Seaborne's financial, technical and legal underpinning."

The government has been criticised for awarding the contract to a firm which has never run a ferry service and has no ships

Below is part of the original T&Cs of the awarded ferry contract (in case of a no-deal Brexit):

Did Zinke move over to the UK after resigning in disgrace from the Trump administration?

 

[iuwclurker]

These Brexit/populist scammers are everywhere:

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In a statement, the Department for Transport said: "Before any contract was signed, due diligence on Seaborne Freight was carried out both by senior officials at the Department for Transport, and highly reputable independent third-party organisations with significant experience and expertise into Seaborne's financial, technical and legal underpinning."

The government has been criticised for awarding the contract to a firm which has never run a ferry service and has no ships

Below is part of the original T&Cs of the awarded ferry contract (in case of a no-deal Brexit):

Did Zinke move over to the UK after resigning in disgrace from the Trump administration?

Sign them up to fix Haiti.

 

[sglowrider]

Sign them up to fix Haiti.

 

[sglowrider]

https://news.sky.com/story/may-tops-list-of-biggest-government-defeats-11608104

Vernon Bogdanor, the politics professor and constitutional expert, has told Sky News that he thinks tonight’s vote make a no-deal Brexit more likely than a second referendum. He pointed out that the Commons has already passed legislation saying the UK will be leaving the EU on 29 March. Holding a second referendum would be very difficult, he said, because the government would have to pass legislation, and Brexiters would “fight it tooth and nail”. He went on:

There are about 40 odd sitting days left till March 29. If no other statute is passed, we leave without a deal. I take the view ... that the vote tonight makes a no-deal departure more likely than a second referendum.

Source: Guardian

 

[iuwclurker]

$1 trillion is leaving Great Britain because of Brexit. Trump will surely try to out do them in ruining our country.

#MakeAmericaAShitholeCountry

 

[sglowrider]

$1 trillion is leaving Great Britain because of Brexit. Trump will surely try to out do them in ruining our country.

#MakeAmericaAShitholeCountry

 

[iuwclurker]

 

[sglowrider]

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Great song -- my fav Clash song are:





I would imagine they are IGW's top band for their stance and politics?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

https://news.sky.com/story/may-tops-list-of-biggest-government-defeats-11608104

Vernon Bogdanor, the politics professor and constitutional expert, has told Sky News that he thinks tonight’s vote make a no-deal Brexit more likely than a second referendum. He pointed out that the Commons has already passed legislation saying the UK will be leaving the EU on 29 March. Holding a second referendum would be very difficult, he said, because the government would have to pass legislation, and Brexiters would “fight it tooth and nail”. He went on:

There are about 40 odd sitting days left till March 29. If no other statute is passed, we leave without a deal. I take the view ... that the vote tonight makes a no-deal departure more likely than a second referendum.

Source: Guardian

 

[sglowrider]

They are trying to unpack and reengineer 40 yrs of negotiated agreements into 2 yrs.
Article 50 was always a poison chalice.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

They are trying to unpack and reengineer 40 yrs of negotiated agreements into 2 yrs.
Article 50 was always a poison chalice.

An EU recession while Draghi is still caught with his pants down

 

[Noodle]

$1 trillion is leaving Great Britain because of Brexit. Trump will surely try to out do them in ruining our country.

#MakeAmericaAShitholeCountry

I don’t think even Trump can do the amount of damage that Brexit will do to the UK.

 

[iuwclurker]

I don’t think even Trump can do the amount of damage that Brexit will do to the UK.

In relative or absolute terms?

 

[Noodle]

In relative or absolute terms?

Both, although I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

 

[iuwclurker]

Both, although I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

Absolute would mean an exit of more than $1 trillion (or whatever the amount is) from GB banks or some comparable economic devastation. Relative would mean their percentage loss compared to their entire economy.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Here are the potential outcomes

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46393399

 

[sglowrider]

Here are the potential outcomes

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46393399

I see a No-deal brinksmanship now onwards with a very strong possibility of going over the edge. The Brexiteers are willing to do it and halt any negotiations going forward., relying on some mythical British Churchillian spirit.

 

[sglowrider]

The reaction of the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker; full statement:

"I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.

The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.

The European Commission and, notably, our chief negotiator Michel Barnier [have]has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout. I, together with president Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.

The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European Commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared.

I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up."

 

[Noodle]

Absolute would mean an exit of more than $1 trillion (or whatever the amount is) from GB banks or some comparable economic devastation. Relative would mean their percentage loss compared to their entire economy.

But I see disaster for them in non-economic terms as well.

 

[sglowrider]

But I see disaster for them in non-economic terms as well.

People under 35 feel European. It's having their identity taken away.
A good buddy of mine moved from Maidstone to Brittany to retire like 4 months before the referendum. He has high anxiety now as he doesn't know whether he needs to move back to Blighty -- after selling out his assets in England or get a French or maybe Irish passport.

 

[wiede]

Vladimir Putin warns against second referendum and throws weight behind May
Not to implement Brexit would be to repudiate 'direct democracy', he says during annual press conference

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-theresa-may-second-referendum-a8692606.html



He should know -- he always wins his elections by, margins of over 95%.

He’s on a roll. The internet research agency was also very involved with the pro-brexit movement.

He’s going to overreach soon. If he hadn’t already. He’s going to have to completely wipe out the western democracies (peacefully, through propoganda) to ultimately get what he wants. Because if he doesn’t, the backlash is going to be really strong.

There’s being successfull, and being a little TOO successful. One leads to long term gains. The other leads to a massive short term windfall, but ends up doing you in. Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered. He’s well on his way to being a hog.

How do you think the next dem President/Congress is going to treat Russia? He’s better get everything in that he can right now.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

The reaction of the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker; full statement:

"I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the House of Commons this evening. On the EU side, the process of ratification of the withdrawal agreement continues.

The withdrawal agreement is a fair compromise and the best possible deal. It reduces the damage caused by Brexit for citizens and businesses across Europe. It is the only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.

The European Commission and, notably, our chief negotiator Michel Barnier [have]has invested enormous time and effort to negotiate the withdrawal agreement. We have shown creativity and flexibility throughout. I, together with president Tusk, have demonstrated goodwill again by offering additional clarifications and reassurances in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister May earlier this week.

The risk of a disorderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom has increased with this evening’s vote. While we do not want this to happen, the European Commission will continue its contingency work to help ensure the EU is fully prepared.

I urge the United Kingdom to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up."

Juncker will end up as tarnished as any when we look back on the EU.

 

[sglowrider]

Juncker will end up as tarnished as any when we look back on the EU.

Why? He has been reasonable imo.

History will judge Boris, Nigel as lying buffoons and ultimately, even Cameron for making such bad judgement in having the Referendum.

 

[iuwclurker]

But I see disaster for them in non-economic terms as well.

I do too. We have more to lose, in a sense, because we have no reason to lose what Trump's giving away. GB has long been resting on the "laurels" of it prior empire. Its financial power was its biggest power, so giving that away is practically giving away the keys to the kingdom, but Trump in giving away all our hegemony is giving away the keys to planet earth.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Why? He has been reasonable imo.

History will judge Boris, Nigel as lying buffoons and ultimately, even Cameron for making such bad judgement in having the Referendum.

He's overseen the EU since 2014 and still hasn't dealt with the dichotomy between Germany and the rest of the EU, EU growth continues to lag other developed markets and the cracks continue to form (Italy, populism, etc.). Hard Brexit will likely cause a recession in the EU and perhaps a depression in the UK. The ECB will be caught with its pants down and will have little ability to do anything stimulative.

 

[sglowrider]

 

[Marvin the Martian]

But I see disaster for them in non-economic terms as well.

It may cost them Scotland and Ireland. At that point, does Great Britain even exist? Wales voted for Brexit, but at the same point if everyone else is going independent... .

 

[Rockfish1]

It may cost them Scotland and Ireland. At that point, does Great Britain even exist? Wales voted for Brexit, but at the same point if everyone else is going independent... .

How happy must Putin be? He helped know-nothings in the UK pass Brexit, and he helped know-nothings in this country elect Trump.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

How happy must Putin be? He helped know-nothings in the UK pass Brexit, and he helped know-nothings in this country elect Trump.

I have suggested for some time Putin's goals are far beyond the US selling some equipment to Ukraine. But for some reason too many of us ignore the potential breakup of NATO, EU, UK, heck the US because Trump sold Ukraine enough equipment to make make no difference in a war.

Putin is getting his money's worth yet many continue whistling past,

 

[sglowrider]

Labour closer to backing new Brexit referendum as senior figures pile pressure on Corbyn
Emily Thornberry vows that if Theresa May refuses to drop red lines or concede election ‘then of course our policy is that we will go for a people’s vote’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-starmer-peoples-vote-final-say-a8736656.html

Senior Labour figures have pushed the party significantly closer to backing a fresh Brexit referendum, suggesting support is now inevitable unless Theresa May drops her “red lines”.

A trio of shadow cabinet members piled pressure on Jeremy Corbyn by saying the party must stick by its pledge to “campaign for a public vote” if the prime minister holds firm and Labour fails to force a general election.

Maybe the only way to dig themselves out of the abyss albeit 'undemocratic' in some people's eyes.

 

[iuwclurker]

Labour closer to backing new Brexit referendum as senior figures pile pressure on Corbyn
Emily Thornberry vows that if Theresa May refuses to drop red lines or concede election ‘then of course our policy is that we will go for a people’s vote’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-starmer-peoples-vote-final-say-a8736656.html



Maybe the only way to dig themselves out of the abyss albeit 'undemocratic' in some people's eyes.

I've never heard anything more absurd than Brexit on a 51% vote. Should require at least 60%. What are they going to do, go back and forth every six months?

 

[sglowrider]

I've never heard anything more absurd than Brexit on a 51% vote. Should require at least 60%. What are they going to do, go back and forth every six months?

Precisely.

Something so serious, changing lives completely and they rely on a Russian, jingoistic, fake facts led campaign. But some Remainers have also said that they will need to abide by the results and may vote to leave in the 2nd Ref if it ever came out. The argument being is that do that do the best of out five then if the next Referendum votes to remain.

 

[iuwclurker]

An interesting angle on the Mueller response to the Buzzfeed article is that Trump now probably trusts Mueller more and may be less inclined to oust him before he's done. mwahaha