Should Senate Dems Hang Tough

[iuwclurker]

or should they roll over like cowering puppies?

The argument is the Dems are in a lose-lose position because “shutting down the Government” wholesale is anyway what Ego Man is trying to do piecemeal.

For me it’s a no-brainer. Cave this time and the Pubs will just take more next time.

 

[UncleMark]

or should they roll over like cowering puppies?

The argument is the Dems are in a lose-lose position because “shutting down the Government” wholesale is anyway what Ego Man is trying to do piecemeal.

For me it’s a no-brainer. Cave this time and the Pubs will just take more next time.

Chuck thinks otherwise.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Chuck thinks otherwise.

Ocasio-Cortez mobilizes Democrats against Schumer plan as colleagues privately urge her to consider primary challenge | CNN Politics

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Thursday that she plans to mobilize her massive base of followers to oppose what she described as an “acquiesce” by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to accept the House GOP funding bill.

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[Eppy99]

Ocasio-Cortez mobilizes Democrats against Schumer plan as colleagues privately urge her to consider primary challenge | CNN Politics

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Thursday that she plans to mobilize her massive base of followers to oppose what she described as an “acquiesce” by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to accept the House GOP funding bill.

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As a moderate Dem this party is imploding before our eyes. There’s no leadership or agreed upon platform. I’m just waiting for a third party to emerge that could eventually be a viable solution. A party that’s more moderate and has some common sense. A party that could work with the non MAGA republicans that seem to be hiding in their closets. It was really hard voting Dem this election cycle, but it felt like the lesser of two evils. How is it a nation this large can’t produce a leader that reaches across both party lines? As for a third party I think it could take two election cycles to become viable. The first cycle voters would be curios but hesitant. If the party can stick around then voters will see its potential.

 

[mcmurtry66]

As a moderate Dem this party is imploding before our eyes. There’s no leadership or agreed upon platform. I’m just waiting for a third party to emerge that could eventually be a viable solution. A party that’s more moderate and has some common sense. A party that could work with the non MAGA republicans that seem to be hiding in their closets. It was really hard voting Dem this election cycle, but it felt like the lesser of two evils. How is it a nation this large can’t produce a leader that reaches across both party lines? As for a third party I think it could take two election cycles to become viable. The first cycle voters would be curios but hesitant. If the party can stick around then voters will see its potential.

i'm with you. dems are cooked. they just keep looking to the radical left. stay at home pete. a worthless do nothing. harris dumber than shit. newsom a slimeball but i do sort of like him in a shady trump way but would never vote for him. and aoc the voice of the party. it's a totally broken party

The 2028 Democratic Field Is Coming Into View​

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[Eppy99]

i'm with you. dems are cooked. they just keep looking to the radical left. stay at home pete. a worthless do nothing. harris dumber than shit. newsom a slimeball but i do sort of like him in a shady trump way but would never vote for him. and aoc the voice of the party. it's a totally broken party

The 2028 Democratic Field Is Coming Into View​

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I think Shapiro knew Kamala wasn’t going to win. I could get behind him and he’s not going to turn his back on Israel or build the Gaza Strip.

 

[bailey777]

As a moderate Dem this party is imploding before our eyes. There’s no leadership or agreed upon platform. I’m just waiting for a third party to emerge that could eventually be a viable solution. A party that’s more moderate and has some common sense. A party that could work with the non MAGA republicans that seem to be hiding in their closets. It was really hard voting Dem this election cycle, but it felt like the lesser of two evils. How is it a nation this large can’t produce a leader that reaches across both party lines? As for a third party I think it could take two election cycles to become viable. The first cycle voters would be curios but hesitant. If the party can stick around then voters will see its potential.

Be very very very difficult for a third party to gain traction let alone win. You may get the 10% of old bush republicans that still exist and the few remaining moderate democrats but that would even be close to enough to win. And then there is the whole money and fundraising, etc. It might seem good on paper but would likely never work.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think Shapiro knew Kamala wasn’t going to win. I could get behind him and he’s not going to turn his back on Israel or build the Gaza Strip.

me too. i think the left is simply too woke tho to back him. it'll be a stay at home pete harris or someone else from calif/ill/ny

 

[Eppy99]

Be very very very difficult for a third party to gain traction let alone win. You may get the 10% of old bush republicans that still exist and the few remaining moderate democrats but that would even be close to enough to win. And then there is the whole money and fundraising, etc. It might seem good on paper but would likely never work.

Yea, that’s my naive pipe dream.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Be very very very difficult for a third party to gain traction let alone win. You may get the 10% of old bush republicans that still exist and the few remaining moderate democrats but that would even be close to enough to win. And then there is the whole money and fundraising, etc. It might seem good on paper but would likely never work.

agree. i think we're woke vs maga for another one. outcome will depend on just how badly trump fcks stuff up and how expensive he makes shit

 

[Bowlmania]

Chuck thinks otherwise.

Schumer is another in a long line of selfish old politicians who crave power and the limelight, unwilling or unable to recognize that it’s time to go. The Dem party will remain the Keystone Cops with people like him at the helm.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

As a moderate Dem this party is imploding before our eyes. There’s no leadership or agreed upon platform. I’m just waiting for a third party to emerge that could eventually be a viable solution. A party that’s more moderate and has some common sense. A party that could work with the non MAGA republicans that seem to be hiding in their closets. It was really hard voting Dem this election cycle, but it felt like the lesser of two evils. How is it a nation this large can’t produce a leader that reaches across both party lines? As for a third party I think it could take two election cycles to become viable. The first cycle voters would be curios but hesitant. If the party can stick around then voters will see its potential.

I’m making my prediction now “moderate” Gavin Newsom will win the next Presidential primary.

I don’t think much of the Democratic bench, but if Newsom, Buttigieg and Shapiro are standing there on the 2028 debate stage. That’s a major step up.

They are at least coherent. The last two D nominees were not.

 

[Eppy99]

I’m making my prediction now “moderate” Gavin Newsom will win the next Presidential primary.

I don’t think much of the Democratic bench, but if Newsom, Buttigieg and Shapiro are standing there on the 2028 debate stage. That’s a major step up.

They are at least coherent. The last two D nominees were not.

I think Buttigieg is by far the smartest of the gang, but I don’t think this country is ready to elect a gay man.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think Buttigieg is by far the smartest of the gang, but I don’t think this country is ready to elect a gay man.

Who just talks and virtue signals and does nothing. He’s what we’re trying to purge from gov

 

[Eppy99]

Who just talks and virtue signals and does nothing. He’s what we’re trying to purge from gov

Sometimes a leaders ability to talk and unite is regrettably more important that the substance. I’ve always been impressed by his presence.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Who just talks and virtue signals and does nothing. He’s what we’re trying to purge from gov

The more I see Vance I think they may be a lot of like. Both can clown any interviewer that tries to get upptiy with them. Great soundbite generators and good repartee.

“But what would you say you guys actually do here?”

Might be unfair to Vance as VP’s don’t actually doing anything.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Sometimes a leaders ability to talk and unite is regrettably more important that the substance. I’ve always been impressed by his presence.

I’ve never been less impressed. His behavior during the Covid supply chain bs was disgusting. A do nothing virtue signaling worthless politician

 

[mcmurtry66]

The more I see Vance I think they may be a lot of like. Both can clown any interviewer that tries to get upptiy with them. Great soundbite generators and good repartee.

“But what would you say you guys actually do here?”

Might be unfair to Vance as VP’s don’t actually doing anything.

Yeah I’m getting that impression with Vance too. Just another talker

 

[mrhighlife]

I think Buttigieg is by far the smartest of the gang, but I don’t think this country is ready to elect a gay man.

He would make for a nice VP to Shapiro. Would bring out the extreme lefty vote. Although he only gets that support due to being gay. He is venture capitalist military vet. Doesn't really scream ultra left. But it is what it is.

 

[mrhighlife]

I’ve never been less impressed. His behavior during the Covid supply chain bs was disgusting. A do nothing virtue signaling worthless politician

Any other issues than when he stayed home a few day during the supply chain problems. I agree that was not good. However we have all voted for people who have done much much worse.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

He would make for a nice VP to Shapiro. Would bring out the extreme lefty vote. Although he only gets that support due to being gay. He is venture capitalist military vet. Doesn't really scream ultra left. But it is what it is.

Consulting, not VC. VC’s actually serve a purpose.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Any other issues than when he stayed home a few day during the supply chain problems. I agree that was not good. However we have all voted for people who have done much much worse.

He’s a virtue signaler. His dept had one mess after another while he went on vacas and breastfeed. Before that he was pothole Pete.

I wouldn’t vote for anyone remotely associated with the last 4 years of woke politicians

put him on msnbc as an anchor

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

Any other issues than when he stayed home a few day during the supply chain problems. I agree that was not good. However we have all voted for people who have done much much worse.

I bet Buttigieg has worked less days from home compared to days Trump has spent golfing as president (and President is just a bit more important than Secretary of Transportation).

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

I bet Buttigieg has worked less days from home compared to days Trump has spent golfing as president (and President is just a bit more important than Secretary of Transportation).

But what about the innate cruelty of Buttigieg as a person?

As I understand it, him and his husband now have two children they are raising. Adopted children not just taken from their mother (adoption is very noble in many circumstances), but being denied any maternal figure and an optimal child rearing environment. Baby shoppers we call them.

Do we want someone who is willing to subject children to a confusing and perverted existence for the sake of their own vanity?

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

But what about the innate cruelty of Buttigieg as a person?

As I understand it, him and his husband now have two children they are raising. Adopted children not just taken from their mother (adoption is very noble in many circumstances), but being denied any maternal figure and an optimal child rearing environment. Baby shoppers we call them.

Do we want someone who is willing to subject children to a confusing and perverted existence for the sake of their own vanity?

nope, have no issue with gay people raising children.

how do you feel about the actual cruelty of dictator trump and president musk?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

A normal spending bill, sure, go for it. This one had an addition. It empowers Trump to levy whatever tariffs he deems necessary. Normally they require congressional approval after so many days. That makes it tough.I suspect some of the people on the right who usually complain about congress ceding their responsibilities will stay quiet on this. But it is wrong. Is it enough to vote against it, I don't know. I won't be critical of Schumer or AOC on this one. The poison pill makes me allow for someone wanting to say no. Without that, it seems perfectly fine to vote yes.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

But what about the innate cruelty of Buttigieg as a person?

As I understand it, him and his husband now have two children they are raising. Adopted children not just taken from their mother (adoption is very noble in many circumstances), but being denied any maternal figure and an optimal child rearing environment. Baby shoppers we call them.

Do we want someone who is willing to subject children to a confusing and perverted existence for the sake of their own vanity?

I don't know, do you have children?

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

I don't know, do you have children?

Why the personal attack? Because I’m espousing the predominate view on same-sex child rearing held throughout all of human history up until a couple decades ago?

 

[Spartans9312]

A normal spending bill, sure, go for it. This one had an addition. It empowers Trump to levy whatever tariffs he deems necessary. Normally they require congressional approval after so many days. That makes it tough.I suspect some of the people on the right who usually complain about congress ceding their responsibilities will stay quiet on this. But it is wrong. Is it enough to vote against it, I don't know. I won't be critical of Schumer or AOC on this one. The poison pill makes me allow for someone wanting to say no. Without that, it seems perfectly fine to vote yes.

62-38 on cloture vote. Shaheen was the only Democrat to vote yay on passage of the bill. No government shutdown

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Why was there a CR? I seem to recall the party that has controlled the House for over two years promising not to do CRs but full budgets. I am surprised we haven't seen an uprising by people who demanded full budgets.

 

[76-1]

I'm for all of them hanging...

Is that the Right answer... 😉🍺