Should Big Ten football abandon two separate divisions? (Link)

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  1. Imndzone

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    Yes!!
     
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    I like it. Let’s get it done Jim!
     
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    Absolutely
     
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    Exactly what I was hoping would happen when they screwed themselves out of the playoffs again. Delaney is a tool, but he even sees the folly of such mismatched divisions.
     
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    How did the divisions prevent the Big Ten from getting into the finals. OSU lost to Iowa and Purdue in major upsets in two straight years. They do fine in the east division but not so much with two average West division teams. Just how is the conference alignment change anything?
     
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    It has to do with the championship game. You have a much better chance of getting in the playoff if you play a higher ranked opponent. The big 12 matches the two best teams in the conference and that has worked well for them the last two seasons.
     
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    Ohio State's problem the last 2 years isn't who they played in the championship game. It's that they lost to a mediocre team (from the West division, BTW) they should have manhandled both years. Had they taken care of business, they'd have been safely in the playoffs.
     
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    I'd prefer no divisions to gerrymandering them. I want no part of the conference deciding who the good teams are because, rest assured, Indiana will never be in that discussion. Anyone who thinks division realignment will help us is kidding themselves.
     
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    I personally don't much care about how the elimination of divisions would increase the odds of the elite B1G teams making the CFP. My focus is on how this might impact IU. And, frankly, any arrangement that means we don't have to play Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Michigan State every stinkin' year is fine by me!
     
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    The only non $ making reason for divisions is to protect rivalries, because of the # of teams in the league.

    If you completely did away with divisions you could easily have 3 protected rivalries for each team....that would leave 6 remaining games to play the other 10 teams.....so you wouldn't go more than one year not playing a specific league team. Easily done.....just have to make sure the protected games are not such to screw up the competitive balance.
     
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    Right out of the gate naming the divisions Leaders and Legends was a clear sign of the arrogance and stupidity of idea of divisions.

    One of the greatest rivalry games in sports is Michigan and Ohio State. And now there is an impossibility that they can play in the championship game.

    Get rid of the divisions. Move Michigan Ohio State to the beginning of the season so they don’t play each other two weeks in a row. Same with the Oaken Bucket game so that at least it will be a sellout.

    The championship game has trivialized the end of the season rivalry games. The Big 10 could not have screwed this up any more if they tried.
     
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    While I agree that subjectively choosing the conference game participants would not be beneficial for Indiana should Indiana ever be in the place to be part of the discussion, we are so far away from that even being a possibility that it doesn't matter. A new way of organizing teams and schedules could help Indiana if every year's conference schedule didn't include the entirety of murderer's row. I'd love to break up Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State as an annual grind and swap a couple games out for Illinois and Minnesota. Of course, that also means we won't always play Rutgers and Maryland, who we have been most reliably competitive against the last few years. Still, I think the overall would be a benefit to IU.
     
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    How could you possibly do that without subjectively choosing the games? Any method of scheduling other than purely geographic or random draw involves subjectivity. The question to ask about that is who gets a harder schedule so that Indiana can have an easier one and why is that fair?
    Any notion of "competitive balance" is intended to help the power programs, not the bottom. Having Jim Delany pick the winners and losers would be a disaster for our program because our almost perennial loser status would be cemented in place permanently.
    We don't need a gerrymandered schedule. We need a better football team.
     
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    I wasn't arguing for or against. That is the catalyst for the discussion. I think it is somewhat of a knee jerk reaction. You cant adjust the conference based on what the committee values when that is a constantly moving target. All the more reason to put in all the conference champions and let them decide it on the field.
     
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    Very true.
    I've always though a perfect playoff would have the Power 5 champs go to their traditional NYD bowls and have a selection committee pick three at-large teams, seed them, and place them in the open slots. Winners go to the Final Four. Championship is played on the off week before the Super Bowl.
    You'd keep the traditional bowl structure in place and have a meaningful playoff. Sure, one quarterfinal would always Big Ten vs. Pac 12 no matter what the seeds but that tradition is a small price to pay to have everything else.
     
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    You are so right. This solution has been floated by experts in the past. To my way of thinking its the best way forward. Protects the NYD bowl traditions and ensures the games remain meaningful games. Currently unless my favorite team is playing I could care less to tune in. Playing the championship game the weekend (on Satureday evening) prior to the Super Bowl is perfect. It's open and would receive huge ratings. Hate that they play the current championship game on a Monday????
     
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    First, retain each school's rivalry (Thanksgiving weekend) game. Then create (with software assistance) a rolling/rotating schedule for each school's remaining 12 opponents. It would be statistically impossible to face any single opponent (other than the rival) every year.
     
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    They could develop an algorithm and it wouldn't be hard based on the previous year. The best teams get the hardest schedules the following year and the worst teams get an easier road. That would be fair IMO.
     
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    i think it would result in us playing one less top 15 team per season
     
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    players will be practicing from end of july until end of january under your plan
     
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    that is quite the opposite of fair.
     
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    They looked like idiots with those names and by attaching two names to each position trophy. My favorite is the Griese-Brees QB of the year, which sounds like the Greasy Breeze QB of the year......like the Smelly Fart BT QB of the year..........

    And you're right that, by adding the BT championship game, which people don't really care about, they have screwed up the whole week of BT rivalry games people DO care about, especially the 'lesser' games like IU-Purdue & Iowa-Minnesota, by cutting the student crowds by 2/3.
     
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    Why?
     
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    because you are intentionally stacking the deck against certain teams to force parity. fair is giving every team the same schedule.
     
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    Yes, other than the protected rival, that amounts to a random draw. It isn't subjective and I'm OK with it.
     
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    And? They're all practicing to a degree year round anyway. Besides, we're only talking about 2 teams in the championship game.
     
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    Maybe...But I also thinks it fair to give struggling teams a better chance to compete and better teams a better chance at a higher ranking by playing more ranked teams. In that case you would probably have a BIG team in this year. Anyways its jmho
     
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    That's doubtful. It just increases the odds of us playing quality teams in the cross-divisional games. Our schedule strength would likely not diminish and we'd be permanently branded a "have-not" by our conference. No thanks.
     
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    Oh, and that only works if you eliminate divisions.
     
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    Would the lower ranked teams' share of gate and bowl revenue be commensurate with the "fairness" of their schedules? Just curious as to how you think that would play out from OSU/Michigan/PSU's point of view. We get to keep the money they generate but they don't have to play us...
     
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    you think we would still have to play ohio st, penn st, mich, and mich st every year?
     
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    No, not every year.
    But let's say we move Purdue and Illinois to the East/South and Michigan and MSU to the West. Wisconsin is a top 15 program, this year notwithstanding. I think everyone expects Nebraska to get back to normal under Frost. Iowa is always good. Northwestern just won the division. We'd be guaranteed to play at least two of them every year and usually three of them.
    So you take out Michigan and MSU and replace them with Michigan and Wisconsin. Or Nebraska and MSU. Or Iowa and Wisconsin. What's the difference?
     
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    That's perfect considering it's two Purdue players...
     
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    Why not the lower rated teams may end up with a good year so the following year they would have to play the tougher schedule...It would all shake out unless you bottom dwelled every year but with the scheduling it would at least give you a better shot.
     
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    the difference is we play the 4 i mentioned and can never beat plus we still have to play 2 of iowa, n'western, wisc and neb
     
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    So you think Penn State would be OK with going 7-5 every other year against a stacked schedule while Indiana goes 7-5 every other year against an easy schedule but we all get an equal share of the revenue?
    Again, we don't need a gerrymandered schedule and it's in no one's best interest or desire to give us one. We just need a better football team.
     
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    We only played Iowa this year. We only played Wisconsin last year.
    I know that's there's some kind of hope that the conference will somehow find it in their hearts to give Indiana an easier schedule but it ain't gonna happen. Nor should it. No amount of gerrymandering the schedule around "competitive balance" will ever be meant to help us. It will be meant to help the powers stay on top by not having to play each other as often. We're already fodder. We don't need the conference permanently designating us as such.
     
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    You miss the point...Better football team or not thats the way I would set it up! If any conference members ESPECIALLY psu have a problem with that F-Them! psu...And its not Gerrymandered I see it as fair. AND why does every other year have t be back and forth. If you have a good football team and play the best your just ponying up more points for the football selection committee. With this set up two good teams from the BIG could go even with a loss each if they played a tough schedule!
     

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