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Shooter Attacks GOP Softball Team in DC

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Maybe our elected officials will stop demonizing each other and realize thier words matter - and make weaker minds do bad things
 
When will all the "anger" stop!

Shakespeare in the park, Kathy beheading and now reality at its worse. Congressman and others shot in VA at a Congressional softball practice. I blame all the inflaming rhetoric from certain losers and we see it at all levels of politicians, celebrities, media and blog.
 
Between 2005 and 2015, 94 people were killed in the US by Islamic terrorists, and in the same time-frame 301,797 people were shot dead by guns.

But the US needs a travel ban and not stricter gun control. Makes sense.
 
Prayers for everyone shot. Sounds like they shot/caught the shooter and the Capital Police did heroic work.

Political discourse needs to improve, but that has to start with the political leadership in control now.
 
Between 2005 and 2015, 94 people were killed in the US by Islamic terrorists, and in the same time-frame 301,797 people were shot dead by guns.

But the US needs a travel ban and not stricter gun control. Makes sense.
I saw that another congressman said he felt defenseless without having a weapon to shoot the gunman.
 
All that hateful leftist rhetoric caused this right? I mean, when Gabi Giffords was shot by a mental patient that was the fault of all of the charged rhetoric on the right.

The fact of the matter is that all of this "stolen election", "resistance", and "illegitimate presidency" bull shit that has been peddled by the left since November along with all the Trump assassination porn is nothing but a dog whistle to unhinged people.

Seems to me like the party that needs to get their folks under control right now is the Democrats.

(Just parroting what I heard during the last administration when a Democratic Congress Member was shot. In reality, this very well could just be a psycho...like Jared Loughner.)
 
I saw that another congressman said he felt defenseless without having a weapon to shoot the gunman.

I really dont understand how people can think like that. Must be the of watching too many Rambo movies. You just have to see the level of friendly fire during the wars with conscripted soldiers in WW1 and WW2 - and they were trained to a certain level.
I cant imagine how the untrained weekend or PS2/Xbox warriors would react with people actually shooting at them. Friendly fire triple that of WW1?

Leave it to the professionals.
 
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All that hateful leftist rhetoric caused this right? I mean, when Gabi Giffords was shot by a mental patient that was the fault of all of the charged rhetoric on the right.

The fact of the matter is that all of this "stolen election", "resistance", and "illegitimate presidency" bull shit that has been peddled by the left since November along with all the Trump assassination porn is nothing but a dog whistle to unhinged people.

Seems to me like the party that needs to get their folks under control right now is the Democrats.

(Just parroting what I heard during the last administration when a Democratic Congress Member was shot. In reality, this very well could just be a psycho...like Jared Loughner.)

I am not sure you are the best person to bring this up, uisng words like pyscho, unhinged etc considering that your nic includes the word 'crazy'

;)
 
All that hateful leftist rhetoric caused this right? I mean, when Gabi Giffords was shot by a mental patient that was the fault of all of the charged rhetoric on the right.

The fact of the matter is that all of this "stolen election", "resistance", and "illegitimate presidency" bull shit that has been peddled by the left since November along with all the Trump assassination porn is nothing but a dog whistle to unhinged people.

Seems to me like the party that needs to get their folks under control right now is the Democrats.

(Just parroting what I heard during the last administration when a Democratic Congress Member was shot. In reality, this very well could just be a psycho...like Jared Loughner.)
We need to come together as a nation and lower the anger and distasteful rhetoric. I totally agree about the "dog whistle" comment and we see it everywhere.
 
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Between 2005 and 2015, 94 people were killed in the US by Islamic terrorists, and in the same time-frame 301,797 people were shot dead by guns.

But the US needs a travel ban and not stricter gun control. Makes sense.
I'm always amazed at how these incidents end up being about the gun and not the person holding it.
 
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I really dont understand how people can think like that. Must be the of watching too many Rambo movies. You just have to see the level of friendly fire during the wars with conscripted soldiers in WW1 and WW2 - and they were trained to a certain level.
I cant imagine how the untrained weekend or PS2/Xbox warriors would react with people actually shooting at them. Friendly fire triple that of WW1?

Leave it to the professionals.

"Concealed carry" permit holders are NOT untrained.
I'd suggest you go take the class - see what they are taught.
You might be surprised.

But here, because the GOP Whip gets a security detail, there were handguns present which returned fire immediately. THAT return of fire during the 3 minutes before cops arrived, saved lives.
 
I'm always amazed at how these incidents end up being about the gun and not the person holding it.
That you can't understand that there is an interrelationship between the two and based on your other s__tposts here lead me to believe that you're amazed by a lot of things. Gravity, for example.

I think I'm giving my Kelley degree back. It's clearly diluted.
 
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"Concealed carry" permit holders are NOT untrained.
I'd suggest you go take the class - see what they are taught.
You might be surprised.

But here, because the GOP Whip gets a security detail, there were handguns present which returned fire immediately. THAT return of fire during the 3 minutes before cops arrived, saved lives.
Lol. Ok. In Pennsylvania you need to submit a form. Or is that training?
 
You're wrong.



You shouldn't be amazed .....
No, you're wrong. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. It's a simple concept, convoluted by political garbage. I refuse to argue this on this forum as it pulls away from the real issue which is exactly what the gun haters love to do.
 
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No, you're wrong. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. It's a simple concept, convoluted by political garbage. I refuse to argue this on this forum as it pulls away from the real issue which is exactly what the gun haters love to do.
Uhm, he was on your side. He was saying you are wrong for being amazed.
 
No, you're wrong. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. It's a simple concept, convoluted by political garbage. I refuse to argue this on this forum as it pulls away from the real issue which is exactly what the gun haters love to do.

I was agreeing with you.

The agenda-driven beast is always brought out and fed by these events.
 
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Lol. Ok. In Pennsylvania you need to submit a form. Or is that training?

I'd accept help from a Pennsylvania squirrel hunter.
Prolly a better shot than many cops!

Back before the nation went crazy, many rural schools actually taught gun safety, right along with "don't stick your hand in the electric saw."
 
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Here is a simple concept: we shouldn't be arming the insane.
Tell me how you would do that? Also, you do realize there are layers of laws already covering everything you'll come up with, right? You also realize that crime is higher where the laws are the strictest, right?
 
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Word for the day in America "conciliatory" we have to eliminate the divisive rhetoric and be more conciliatory among all races, beliefs and political positions.
 
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Here is a simple concept: we shouldn't be arming the insane.

Now now.
Liberals have the same right to bear arms as everyone else.
:D

Actually, the law already prohibits gun possession by those folks who have mental issues. However, the law also prohibits going 70 in a 55, and many other things.

Laws don't cure anything.
It's the social agreement that holds us together.
And when we agree to demonize each other over policy differences, we lower the bar and encourage - however indirectly - the nutjobs to get out there and tell their story.
 
"Concealed carry" permit holders are NOT untrained.
I'd suggest you go take the class - see what they are taught.
You might be surprised.

But here, because the GOP Whip gets a security detail, there were handguns present which returned fire immediately. THAT return of fire during the 3 minutes before cops arrived, saved lives.

I can kick some static target's ass too and paintball -- though friends of mine who were properly trained Singapore commandos played paintball quite differently to me :(.)

Whats in the classes? But I doubt if they train you to shoot under-fire. The insurance policy would be phenomenal. Flight/Fright reactions would be quite different compared to classes.
 
Laws don't cure anything.
It's the social agreement that holds us together.
And when we agree to demonize each other over policy differences, we lower the bar and encourage - however indirectly - the nutjobs to get out there and tell their story.
Laws prevent and deter bad acts. So, they do cure lots of ills. We have the kinds of social problems we have because the laws we pass solve problems we don't have and because we don't pass laws to solve the problems we do have.
 
I am not sure you are the best person to bring this up, uisng words like pyscho, unhinged etc considering that your nic includes the word 'crazy'

;)

Lol. Well, I do use the IU modifier for my crazy. Outside of my IU athletics I think I am pretty sane (but most crazy people probably do to...so....)
 
I can kick some static target's ass too and paintball -- though friends of mine who were properly trained Singapore commandos played paintball quite differently to me :(.)

Whats in the classes? But I doubt if they train you to shoot under-fire. The insurance policy would be phenomenal. Flight/Fright reactions would be quite different compared to classes.

Can't speak for all states or classes, but in Kentucky it's not "Rambo training." Its about law and safety.
 
Prayers for everyone shot. Sounds like they shot/caught the shooter and the Capital Police did heroic work.

Political discourse needs to improve, but that has to start with the political leadership in control now.
I think you would find most in Congress get along personally, but argue politically. Those outside Congress hear the political arguments and assume all GOP and Dems hate each other. I admit there is a growing failure to work together and that needs to change. When one side tries to be the adult, the other side takes advantage. This can anger and frustrate everyone in the public. Protesters and people opposing them pick up on the mood in Washington and make it more personal and hateful.

The current level of hatred has grown beyond politics. I hope we learn what drove this person to do this. I fear this is the beginning of a new wave. I hope we can stop this here and prevent future nutjobs from acting.
 
I think you would find most in Congress get along personally, but argue politically. Those outside Congress hear the political arguments and assume all GOP and Dems hate each other. I admit there is a growing failure to work together and that needs to change. When one side tries to be the adult, the other side takes advantage. This can anger and frustrate everyone in the public. Protesters and people opposing them pick up on the mood in Washington and make it more personal and hateful.

The current level of hatred has grown beyond politics. I hope we learn what drove this person to do this. I fear this is the beginning of a new wave. I hope we can stop this here and prevent future nutjobs from acting.
https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson

Shooter has Bernie's picture at top of his page. Too bad about the guy. Much worse about the people he shot.
 
I really dont understand how people can think like that. Must be the of watching too many Rambo movies. You just have to see the level of friendly fire during the wars with conscripted soldiers in WW1 and WW2 - and they were trained to a certain level.
I cant imagine how the untrained weekend or PS2/Xbox warriors would react with people actually shooting at them. Friendly fire triple that of WW1?

Leave it to the professionals.

What if there are no professionals around? Are the bad guys going to wait until they arrive?

I've never been a big gun guy. But I do have one in the house for protection. And, if somebody breaks into my house, chances are pretty good he's -- at least -- going to end up staring at the wrong end of it. If I feel the least bit threatened by him, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger. I'll call 911 as soon as I'm safely able to do so. But the schedule of events at that point isn't really up to me.
 
What if there are no professionals around? Are the bad guys going to wait until they arrive?

I've never been a big gun guy. But I do have one in the house for protection. And, if somebody breaks into my house, chances are pretty good he's -- at least -- going to end up staring at the wrong end of it. If I feel the least bit threatened by him, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger. I'll call 911 as soon as I'm safely able to do so. But the schedule of events at that point isn't really up to me.
The problem in too many households is what Pogo said: "We have met the enemy and he is us". Too many people find that the biggest threat is themselves and they don't hesitate to pull the trigger.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/
A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

The lesson? Many lives would likely be saved if people disposed of their firearms, kept them locked away, or stored them outside the home. Says HSPH Professor of Health Policy David Hemenway, the ICRC’s director: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.”​
 
The problem in too many households is what Pogo said: "We have met the enemy and he is us". Too many people find that the biggest threat is themselves and they don't hesitate to pull the trigger.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/
A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

The lesson? Many lives would likely be saved if people disposed of their firearms, kept them locked away, or stored them outside the home. Says HSPH Professor of Health Policy David Hemenway, the ICRC’s director: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.”​

Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be committing suicide. But, if I ever do, that's entirely on me -- not society or government.

Would you be better with somebody committing suicide if they contract a doctor to perform it?
 
You guys are being far too kind and "conciliatory".

The shooter wasn't a certifiable nut like the jerk that shot Gifford's in AZ several years ago (6yrs?)..., he was a level headed, true believer, who thought the whole thing through.

Fortunately, like most currently unhinged Bernie supporters, he was also a complete f... up. How this guy didn't take out 20+ people is nothing short of a miracle...

The one positive to come from this will be, hopefully, that congress may rethink their obvious lack of serious security coverage.
 
What if there are no professionals around? Are the bad guys going to wait until they arrive?

I've never been a big gun guy. But I do have one in the house for protection. And, if somebody breaks into my house, chances are pretty good he's -- at least -- going to end up staring at the wrong end of it. If I feel the least bit threatened by him, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger. I'll call 911 as soon as I'm safely able to do so. But the schedule of events at that point isn't really up to me.


My point was all about friendly fire. Conscripts in the past had surprisingly high friendly fire percentages. People just dont know how they will react under-fire.

What if you shot and killed or maimed someone accidentally in your haste to shot back?

How will you deal with that?
 
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