I’m sure this will surprise many...
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/page/the_loyalty_game.html
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Your title is misleading, hyperbolic and very sensationalized.I’m sure this will surprise many...
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obviously, it's gotta be....Cleveland StateWell Duke,NC,Kentucky,MSU and apparently Airzoma are untouchable so who ends up taking the fall in this mess?
I don't think the shoe companies want anything to do with boosters in all of this. Boosters would want a seat at the table and there's no incentive for shoe companies to give them that.I wonder if boosters are funneling funds to the shoe companies to pass on to the parents with the intention of acquiring letters of intent from the kid.
What table? Boosters want to entice players to their preferred school. It might be a way to pay players without involving the school and risking an investigation. Or perhaps using an agent as a middleman to funnel money to parents.I don't think the shoe companies want anything to do with boosters in all of this. Boosters would want a seat at the table and there's no incentive for shoe companies to give them that.
I wonder if boosters are funneling funds to the shoe companies to pass on to the parents with the intention of acquiring letters of intent from the kid.
What table? Boosters want to entice players to their preferred school. It might be a way to pay players without involving the school and risking an investigation. Or perhaps using an agent as a middleman to funnel money to parents.
You don’t think boosters have found methods to pay players without the school being involved? Cars, jobs, tractors, broken boxes of cash at FedEx.By definition, boosters involve the school.
By definition, boosters involve the school.
Coach K would’nt have anything to do with this. Nike isn’t paying players to go to a specific school. They just want you to go to a Nike school. Same with Adidas etc. They could care less if it’s Kansas or UCLA. That alone isn’t on the coach of any program imo.Is Coach K the modern day John Wooden. Pretty good coach then able to pull these stunts under the radar while everybody looks the other way.
It appears as though shoe companies have figured out how to do all of those things without involving boosters. Why introduce another element that adds both a layer and gets a University closer to sanctions? Boosters pay off players, in part, to feel like big shots. Shoe companies don't need egos like that mucking up their gig.What table? Boosters want to entice players to their preferred school. It might be a way to pay players without involving the school and risking an investigation. Or perhaps using an agent as a middleman to funnel money to parents.
Not likely, I think, but it could be arranged so that there is enough separation for plausible deniability.
Of course they have, but there's no evidence that they've ever used shoe companies to facilitate that, likely because the shoe guys don't need them to pull off their deals. Boosters would get in the way and directly expose schools (with whom shoe companies have contracts), and that is bad news for everyone. The "beauty" of this scheme is that it drives right past boosters.You don’t think boosters have found methods to pay players without the school being involved? Cars, jobs, tractors, broken boxes of cash at FedEx.
You don’t think boosters have found methods to pay players without the school being involved? Cars, jobs, tractors, broken boxes of cash at FedEx.
Hopefully we will find out what evidence is available from this investigation and where it may lead. Preferably before the next season. However because so much money is involved and prestige may be damaged, I suspect it could be swept under the table to protect some powerful people.Of course they have, but there's no evidence that they've ever used shoe companies to facilitate that, likely because the shoe guys don't need them to pull off their deals. Boosters would get in the way and directly expose schools (with whom shoe companies have contracts), and that is bad news for everyone. The "beauty" of this scheme is that it drives right past boosters.
Hopefully we will find out what evidence is available from this investigation and where it may lead. Preferably before the next season. However because so much money is involved and prestige may be damaged, I suspect it could be swept under the table to protect some powerful people.
I was reading a story about Sam Gilbert and UCLA and how they were able to funnel a lot of talent there during the glory days. There's been some other questionable recruiting done there but has been swept under the rug and look at the 2018 class. Something fishy is going on.Coach K would’nt have anything to do with this. Nike isn’t paying players to go to a specific school. They just want you to go to a Nike school. Same with Adidas etc. They could care less if it’s Kansas or UCLA. That alone isn’t on the coach of any program imo.
At least this is how I understand it working. Admittedly I’m no expert, just connecting dots
The FBI doesn’t care about the money involved or the reputations of powerful people in basketball. That’s why this is different from your typical NCAA investigation.Hopefully we will find out what evidence is available from this investigation and where it may lead. Preferably before the next season. However because so much money is involved and prestige may be damaged, I suspect it could be swept under the table to protect some powerful people.
I can at least understand how UCLA recruits so well. LA, their tradition, campus is amazing, etc. Not saying they’re completely on the straight and narrow but it at least makes sense. If I was a top recruit UCLA would be pretty appealing to me. Some of these other recruitments don’t.I was reading a story about Sam Gilbert and UCLA and how they were able to funnel a lot of talent there during the glory days. There's been some other questionable recruiting done there but has been swept under the rug and look at the 2018 class. Something fishy is going on.
When we lived near Lexington in the 80's, we would often see UK players getting free drinks and food at nightclubs with older guys in suits.You don’t think boosters have found methods to pay players without the school being involved? Cars, jobs, tractors, broken boxes of cash at FedEx.
I can at least understand how UCLA recruits so well. LA, their tradition, campus is amazing, etc. Not saying they’re completely on the straight and narrow but it at least makes sense. If I was a top recruit UCLA would be pretty appealing to me. Some of these other recruitments don’t.
I never question when a top kid goes to UCLA, Duke, UK, Kansas, UNC etc. There might be more involved but it makes sense. When a top kid goes to a random bottom feeder team halfway across the country is when I’m suspicious.
Like Vandy suddenly pulling in 5* talent for the first time ever, has to be very a suspicious.I can at least understand how UCLA recruits so well. LA, their tradition, campus is amazing, etc. Not saying they’re completely on the straight and narrow but it at least makes sense. If I was a top recruit UCLA would be pretty appealing to me. Some of these other recruitments don’t.
I never question when a top kid goes to UCLA, Duke, UK, Kansas, UNC etc. There might be more involved but it makes sense. When a top kid goes to a random bottom feeder team halfway across the country is when I’m suspicious.
Garland, no. Any other 5 star players? Yes, absolutely.Like Vandy suddenly pulling in 5* talent for the first time ever, has to be very a suspicious.
Is this a hypothetical, or do you have someone in mind?How about a head coach's agent who happens to sponsor a AAU team and then immediately set up player contacts with his client coach to funnel players to that coach and school and then sign with him as an agent when that player goes pro. MIddle School/High School AAU to College to NBA. All with the same agent.
And yet every school you listed has been accused of dirty recruiting, so if a 5 star recruit and his family perhaps want to steer clear of those situations, it automatically is suspicious that they would look at schools that have a good academic reputation and no former history of shading recruiting?I can at least understand how UCLA recruits so well. LA, their tradition, campus is amazing, etc. Not saying they’re completely on the straight and narrow but it at least makes sense. If I was a top recruit UCLA would be pretty appealing to me. Some of these other recruitments don’t.
I never question when a top kid goes to UCLA, Duke, UK, Kansas, UNC etc. There might be more involved but it makes sense. When a top kid goes to a random bottom feeder team halfway across the country is when I’m suspicious.
One recruit? Yea, I could see it. But when it’s a pattern? No, doesn’t make senseAnd yet every school you listed has been accused of dirty recruiting, so if a 5 star recruit and his family perhaps want to steer clear of those situations, it automatically is suspicious that they would look at schools that have a good academic reputation and no former history of shading recruiting?
One recruit? Yea, I could see it. But when it’s a pattern? No, doesn’t make sense
How did Bagley even have enough credits to get into Duke? He seemed to change schools at the drop of a hat. Much less the money filtered to his parents. NCAA will go after a kid from MSST. but these don't have investigators enough for the Dukes' UKs' and UNCs'. Bias personified.I’m sure this will surprise many...
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no. but i've always thought he was a phony.If Duke wins the National Title will they take down the banner and fire Coach K if it's proven he was paid?
No - Cleveland St. will get the Death Penalty . . .If Duke wins the National Title will they take down the banner and fire Coach K if it's proven he was paid?