Dumb.,It’s actually not impossible to find a good basketball coach who doesn’t have serious character flaws. And what exactly inclusion boxes do you think are needed to be checked? Double dumb.
she so wrong
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No idea. Just knew it would not be Beard. They may have talked to him, but I doubt it. Maybe talked to others who had talked with him
You are right. There are about 360 coaches in Div 1 and half of them are above the 50 percentile so yes good coaches grow on trees. It will be wonderful to have a good coach and not have to worry about what evil might lurk in their heart. So much better than an outstanding coach that might do or say something that could be interpreted as not inclusive and collapse the University and take Monroe County and much of Brown County with it. Now if these other meatheads get with the program
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It appears “large donors” whatever that means are giving out some bad information. Jeff Rabjohns posted on another media site that a “large donor” weeks ago told him a deal was done with Stevens but he didn’t publicly disclose. Then Goodman quoted Stevens saying he was happy in Boston later.
I honestly don’t believe there’s anyone but Dolson and Whitten that know what he’s doing. In the end if the money is huge, he will have to round up donors who could leak.
Zeke, people can be willing to give someone like Beard a second chance and not be horrible people.
The religion I was raised in believed divorce meant you were going to hell and there was no redemption. A women in the church had a husband never return after a trucking run. Many years went by and she found out he was in Florida. She divorced him and remarried. Our church would not allow her to be a member.
I stayed in a bad marriage for years out of fear of going to hell. Finally after my son graduated college and got married, I filed for divorce.
I believe in redemption and 2nd, 3rd and more chances for Beard and anyone who sins.
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WTF are you babbling about inclusiveness? Is that your code word for domestic violence? You’re making zero sense here, dude.
We want a great coach at IU especially since some of us remembers RMK. Did he have flaws? Yes, he had a temper. When it comes to Beard I want to know about his past before the incident. I want to know if he is on a good place now. Why would any of us let one incident keep him from being considered? Now if there is a pattern then I get it. But none of us would like to be judged forever on one poor incident in our lives. Isn't the woman still with him?
I agree with 99% of that post. The last sentence though....
I can say that absolutely someone can be forgiven, and even for domestic violence. A second or third DV incident? Nope.
I actually grew up in a church with an evangelical tradition and most actually believe it to be a charity and not a church. People believe that because the focus of the church is on redemption of our fellow man and supporting those that have committed significant wrongs so that they are able to redeem themselves. Always seemed a reasonable and positive philosophy to me.
I think back to the Apostle Paul. Before he came to faith in Jesus he put Christians in jail. As they were stoning Stephen he was there in approval. Yet he was forgiven. Lots of questions to be asked about Beard. it is right to ask them. But it is quite cruel to condem a man if he had just one low period.
Cignetti wouldn't be here if they were that level of incompetence.
All I've ever said is: "Beard should be considered, vetted, and interviewed" and not passed over because of biases or opinions from folks who don't know what happened. If Kurt's story is true, then, because I believe in Scott Dolson, I would believe he did the background and found it came down to that 1 night, and that he talked to Beard and felt he was remorseful and had made changes that would keep that from ever happening again. If that's the case, then I have no problem with him being our next coach. So, if it got that far, and then Whitten, or any higher-up, pulled the plug on it because they were "uneasy" or worried about blow-back, well, that's the type of thinking that's led us to 20+ years of mostly mediocrity, and is far more likely to condemn us to future years. You and IUN say there are lots of good candidates out there, and I say BS. In case you're not keeping score: Stevens-out, Day-out, Beard-out, Pitino-Out. Pearl/Oats/Lloyd all highly unlikely. To me, that's pretty much all the top tier guys, w the exception of TJO. You guys say good coaches are falling off trees, and I say we're down to a very few that are ready and within in our reach. Hope we didn't just pass on one that was because some folks were uneasy. I don't believe Dolson would have risked his job on Beard if there were a history of "incidents" as you and others have described.
choice is the key word.
believe things because they are true, not because they are useful.
if you can't prove its truth, reserve judgement good or bad.
I don't think anybody goes to Hell because they got a divorce.
Just the lawyers.
I can't remember it all, but I think I got stoned every Thursday through Sunday during undergrad.
You honestly believe they got as far to making an agreement without clearing it with Whitten?
I had no choice in my youth.
My choice now is no church. I try to do right and I help people any way I can.
I am 100% against DV 100% of time. But I believe as long as someone is living they can change their lives, ask forgiveness and receive redemption.
So, you think he'll dump that boring ass ineffective offense and join the 21st century finally? I don't ... people may change, but coaches rarely do. It takes a huge ego to coach, it takes a lack of one to change.
Welp, they've been trying and failing at the above endeavor for a quarter of a century (hell, an argument could be made that the best coach IU has ever had also had some of the worst character flaws, so if you include coach Knight in that, it's over half a century).
While it may be possible, the track record speaks otherwise. I see no need to put additional and frankly unnecessary impediments into the coaching search.
I’d watch paint dry if we’re winning 25 or more games a year and making deep tournament runs consistently.
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