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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Spartans9312, Jun 30, 2020.
Espinoza ruling is a win for school choice and religious liberty.
So much for local control.
They declared it unconstitutional to block a school choice program because some families will choose to attend religious schools.
I'm well aware of the case. They outlawed Blaine Amendments, state constitutional provisions that prohibit state monies going to religious schools. I have no problem with charters and vouchers, but do have a huge problem with tax monies going to support religious schools where evolution is "just a theory", the earth is 6000 years old, and blacks are subject to the curse of Ham. Would you want your tax money going to produce more VPMs?
As best I can tell, no individual is being forced to attend a religious school. Just that parents have that option. As your examples show, there is social conflict because we are a diverse group of people with different views.
Why should someone that doesn't think like you or I have to fund the same system of schools?
Now, this is an example of getting straight to the heart of the matter...
Doesn't this ruling just flip who is faced with this dilemma? Now Mark is funding that system of schools which he doesn't agree with. If that is the dilemma you seek to solve, this ruling doesn't eliminate the problem.
Are private schools subject to statewide testing? I think some states require it, some do not. The answer is to require all to require it. And if a school wants to teach that the earth is 6000 years old, fine, but their students will miss that question.
I'm sure that would be challenged on "religious freedom" grounds.
It is possible, but then that would also mean an Islamic school could teach Sharia is the fundamental law of the US. Let's see who wants to open that up.
I think if a school wants public money it has to teach what the public wants. I don't think that is a 6000 year old earth, though I fear the public does not want that by a fairly narrow majority.
IIUC, this only effected states with Blaine-like Amendments. I don't think Indiana is effected. Doesn't Lighthouse get vouchers from the state? Do they follow the state curriculum? I seriously don't know how much these Christian schools would be allowed to deviate from mainstream science and history and still receive state funds.
Yeah, it doesn't eliminate the problem but I think it helps.
I think all states have compulsory education laws. This means that private schools must meet standards.
This is why I don’t like vouchers for private schools. I think SCOTUS is correct, the school authorities cannot discriminate in the way intended. But the correctness of the decision is not a statement in favor of vouchers.
I will agree with you, I think. I do not like vouchers but if they exist I am not sure religious schools can be told no.
Because now you’re talking about taxpayer dollars being used to fund schools of a particular RELIGION. Let’s start up a Muslim elementary school and see how all the good Christians feel about their tax dollars paying for that.