Scott Frost & Casey Rodgers & the Big Ten

[mushroomgod_1]

I see where Nebraska got the Rodgers kid, a 3* DE from Conn., who IU had offered.....

Frost has 3 4* and 3 3* kids recruited since he took over at Nebraska. What a great and fortunate hire that was for them. No doubt in my mind that he has them rolling in 2-3 years.

Going forward, OSU, PSU, MSU, Nebraska & Wisconsin all appear to be on an upward curve. The big question is whether Michigan will join them, or if Hairball will fail/flake out. Purdue is on the upswing as long as Brohm stays. Same for Minnesota & Fleck. Maryland is looking competitive on the recruiting front, but the division may keep them down. That seems like a place where you have to have 8-4 type seasons to generate a crowd. I see IU on a slight upward curve, but with major challenges ahead. Iowa is on hold. Northwestern's short-term prospects are bright. Rutgers is in a tough spot. Illinois is toast for the next 5-6 years.

 

[destewart]

It might come as a surprise, but as important as Brohm has proven to be in ending a four year football nightmare in WL, the best news about his hiring was that somebody who knew how to hire a football coach was finally making the decisions again. Twenty-three years of an HR specialist with a steel company, a law background and an athletic background in swimming had worn very thin. Mike Bobinski might prove to be the most important athletics hire in WL in a long time. He identified his target and consummated the deal without a word leaking until the news conference. Given the circus atmosphere of many coaching searches these days that was impressive. Purdue might lose Brohm, but the guy who is the key to the future is the AD.

 

[IUHDog]

It might come as a surprise, but as important as Brohm has proven to be in ending a four year football nightmare in WL, the best news about his hiring was that somebody who knew how to hire a football coach was finally making the decisions again. Twenty-three years of an HR specialist with a steel company, a law background and an athletic background in swimming had worn very thin. Mike Bobinski might prove to be the most important athletics hire in WL in a long time. He identified his target and consummated the deal without a word leaking until the news conference. Given the circus atmosphere of many coaching searches these days that was impressive. Purdue might lose Brohm, but the guy who is the key to the future is the AD.

Yet that same guy (Bobinski) was not considered a big loss at Georgia Tech. In fact, many were very happy to see him leave. Perhaps he learned from his mistakes.

 

[destewart]

Yet that same guy (Bobinski) was not considered a big loss at Georgia Tech. In fact, many were very happy to see him leave. Perhaps he learned from his mistakes.

I have heard he was not too unhappy to leave there either. Had to have an apartment in town for work but loved escaping the urban sprawl to some acreage. Vanderbilt has a beautiful urban campus. Georgia Tech not so nice.

 

[turney333]

It might come as a surprise, but as important as Brohm has proven to be in ending a four year football nightmare in WL, the best news about his hiring was that somebody who knew how to hire a football coach was finally making the decisions again. Twenty-three years of an HR specialist with a steel company, a law background and an athletic background in swimming had worn very thin. Mike Bobinski might prove to be the most important athletics hire in WL in a long time. He identified his target and consummated the deal without a word leaking until the news conference. Given the circus atmosphere of many coaching searches these days that was impressive. Purdue might lose Brohm, but the guy who is the key to the future is the AD.

I wouldn’t necesarilly give all that much credit to Bobinski. I think Brohm sort of fell in their lap, with Tenn bungling their attempt to hire him. Also, While a somewhat prominent name, with a solid pedigree and success at WKU, it wasn’t going to make him more than a backup target to more high level programs. Now, if Bobinski can hang onto Brohm for more than 4 or so years of decent success, then that might show something.

 

[destewart]

I wouldn’t necesarilly give all that much credit to Bobinski. I think Brohm sort of fell in their lap, with Tenn bungling their attempt to hire him. Also, While a somewhat prominent name, with a solid pedigree and success at WKU, it wasn’t going to make him more than a backup target to more high level programs. Now, if Bobinski can hang onto Brohm for more than 4 or so years of decent success, then that might show something.

You would have had to have endured the overall athletic department malaise to appreciate what it means to have a genuine professional administrator. Everything from upgrading the WiFi in the arena to selling football season tickets in January.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

I have heard he was not too unhappy to leave there either. Had to have an apartment in town for work but loved escaping the urban sprawl to some acreage. Vanderbilt has a beautiful urban campus. Georgia Tech not so nice.

Vandy is great. I’ve done some work on campus there..... but.... still Vandy.... had an employee that was a math major from Vandy.... Bloomington is better IMHO

 

[Crimson Crush]

Northwestern is always on an upswing. Those guys perform just about every year and Fitz is the best coach in the conference. He outperforms in recruiting given many more obstacles than other conference brethren and he gets more out of his personnel than any school in this conference as well. That may be more significant than guys like Meyer or Harbaugh who have a lot more built-in advantages.

 

[JohnsyRick]

Northwestern is always on an upswing. Those guys perform just about every year and Fitz is the best coach in the conference. He outperforms in recruiting given many more obstacles than other conference brethren and he gets more out of his personnel than any school in this conference as well. That may be more significant than guys like Meyer or Harbaugh who have a lot more built-in advantages.

But wait a minute, you can’t hire a LB coach from within and expect to be successful can you ? Especially since Randy Walker was 7-5 in his last year and Fitz went 4-8 in the next year. (TIC)
All sarcasm aside, I would be thrilled with Fitz-like success.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

But wait a minute, you can’t hire a LB coach from within and expect to be successful can you ? Especially since Randy Walker was 7-5 in his last year and Fitz went 4-8 in the next year. (TIC)
All sarcasm aside, I would be thrilled with Fitz-like success.

I know I would be crazy happy with Wildcat results.... I just looked at their conference schedule and it is sooo different than ours. I count 5-6 winnable conference games for them each year (teams they should be favored or even with each year)... they have a path for 8-9 wins each year while our path is more like 6-7 wins because of the loaded division. We would be pretty darn good if we get to the point of 8-9 Win seasons in this division....

 

[IUgradman]

Northwestern is always on an upswing. Those guys perform just about every year and Fitz is the best coach in the conference. He outperforms in recruiting given many more obstacles than other conference brethren and he gets more out of his personnel than any school in this conference as well. That may be more significant than guys like Meyer or Harbaugh who have a lot more built-in advantages.

And he is finally getting top notch facilities, so watch out.

 

[Indianaftw]

I see where Nebraska got the Rodgers kid, a 3* DE from Conn., who IU had offered.....

Frost has 3 4* and 3 3* kids recruited since he took over at Nebraska. What a great and fortunate hire that was for them. No doubt in my mind that he has them rolling in 2-3 years.

Going forward, OSU, PSU, MSU, Nebraska & Wisconsin all appear to be on an upward curve. The big question is whether Michigan will join them, or if Hairball will fail/flake out. Purdue is on the upswing as long as Brohm stays. Same for Minnesota & Fleck. Maryland is looking competitive on the recruiting front, but the division may keep them down. That seems like a place where you have to have 8-4 type seasons to generate a crowd. I see IU on a slight upward curve, but with major challenges ahead. Iowa is on hold. Northwestern's short-term prospects are bright. Rutgers is in a tough spot. Illinois is toast for the next 5-6 years.

Jury is out on Frost...Well see. The recruiting dynamic completely changed for them once they joined the Big10. They used to recruit Texas heavily when they were in the Big8/12. They didn't have any Texas recruits the past two years. When they were highly successful they had a pipeline from Texas. imho they won't get the mojo back they once had when Osborne was coaching. But they can get competitive again and compete for the East.

The Brohm crap is overly hyped Imo. Without that d-coordinator they wouldn't have bowled.

Maryland is recruiting lights out I agree. If they cant turn it around with Durkin whomever does land there will have a full cupboard of great talent.

Fitzgerald is a good coach and will have his years I agree.

I'm sure its going to pan out soon for Harbaugh. Lets face it where would the Buckeyes be without Urban. He is one of the top 3 coaches in the country for recruiting but his handprint on the offense is overplayed and underperforming. Even though KW is the o-coordinator I have to believe this still Urban's offense.

 

[welshman#]

Jury is out on Frost...Well see. The recruiting dynamic completely changed for them once they joined the Big10. They used to recruit Texas heavily when they were in the Big8/12. They didn't have any Texas recruits the past two years. When they were highly successful they had a pipeline from Texas. imho they won't get the mojo back they once had when Osborne was coaching. But they can get competitive again and compete for the East.

The Brohm sh!t is overly hyped Imo. Without that d-coordinator they wouldn't have bowled.

Maryland is recruiting lights out I agree. If they cant turn it around with Durkin whomever does land there will have a full cupboard of great talent.

Fitzgerald is a good coach and will have his years I agree.

I'm sure its going to pan out soon for Harbaugh. Lets face it where would the Buckeyes be without Urban. He is one of the top 3 coaches in the country for recruiting but his handprint on the offense is overplayed and underperforming. Even though KW is the o-coordinator I have to believe this still Urban's offense.

Nebraska has recruited nationally, not just in Texas, ever since Devaney built the program out of nothing. Suh = Oregon, Fryar = New Jersey, Frazier = Florida, Tagge = Wisconsin, Ferragamo = California, W. Harper = Ohio, etc etc.

Osborne continued and even increased it (natl. recruiting) , Callahan and Pelini messed it up, and Frost (especially with his Oregon connections) will probably re-build it all the way out to Hawaii.

Frost potentially could become the "Chip Kelly of the B1G" if he plays his cards right. He's already talking smack about Saban, which I wouldn't necessarily advise as a career path, but Nick may not be around that much longer anyway.

 

[Indianaftw]

Nebraska has recruited nationally, not just in Texas, ever since Devaney built the program out of nothing. Suh = Oregon, Fryar = New Jersey, Frazier = Florida, Tagge = Wisconsin, Ferragamo = California, W. Harper = Ohio, etc etc.

Osborne continued and even increased it (natl. recruiting) , Callahan and Pelini messed it up, and Frost (especially with his Oregon connections) will probably re-build it all the way out to Hawaii.

Frost potentially could become the "Chip Kelly of the B1G" if he plays his cards right. He's already talking smack about Saban, which I wouldn't necessarily advise as a career path, but Nick may not be around that much longer anyway.

Callahan had some really good recruiting classes and tried to do a complete u -turn with the offense from a wishbone to a west coast so I wouldn't say Callahan messed it up he just couldn't get the west coast going there. I agree they have always recruited nationally but they used to recruit Texas heavily as did the rest of the Big 8/12.

 

[destewart]

Jury is out on Frost...Well see. The recruiting dynamic completely changed for them once they joined the Big10. They used to recruit Texas heavily when they were in the Big8/12. They didn't have any Texas recruits the past two years. When they were highly successful they had a pipeline from Texas. imho they won't get the mojo back they once had when Osborne was coaching. But they can get competitive again and compete for the East.

The Brohm crap is overly hyped Imo. Without that d-coordinator they wouldn't have bowled.

Maryland is recruiting lights out I agree. If they cant turn it around with Durkin whomever does land there will have a full cupboard of great talent.

Fitzgerald is a good coach and will have his years I agree.

I'm sure its going to pan out soon for Harbaugh. Lets face it where would the Buckeyes be without Urban. He is one of the top 3 coaches in the country for recruiting but his handprint on the offense is overplayed and underperforming. Even though KW is the o-coordinator I have to believe this still Urban's offense.

Good AD’s hire a head coach who builds a staff that includes coaches with offensive and defensive skills. Btw, Nick Saban is a defensive coach and he a,ways hired good people as coordinators which is why he is a great coach. Ten assistant to head coaching jobs since he went to Alabama,

 

[Indianaftw]

Good AD’s hire a head coach who builds a staff that includes coaches with offensive and defensive skills. Btw, Nick Saban is a defensive coach and he a,ways hired good people as coordinators which is why he is a great coach. Ten assistant to head coaching jobs since he went to Alabama,

You can argue with me all day on Brohm your not going to convince me of anything. If he repeats I'll start taking notice but IMO he hasn't done anything yet.

As far as Frost goes the jury is still out.

 

[Crimson Crush]

I'm sure its going to pan out soon for Harbaugh.

Harbaugh has exactly 2 more wins than Brady Hoke through 3 years and two consecutive bowl losses. He has much more leniency as he:
1. Is a former star player and 2. Brings a lot of media attention to the program. Bottom line: no wins against his rival and similar to the guy they fired. He has to have a monster year next season, IMO.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

Harbaugh has exactly 2 more wins than Brady Hoke through 3 years and two consecutive bowl losses. He has much more leniency as he:
1. Is a former star player and 2. Brings a lot of media attention to the program. Bottom line: no wins against his rival and similar to the guy they fired. He has to have a monster year next season, IMO.

Well then, a defeat by the Hoosiers next year may be the push that cart needs to go over the cliff.... Headlines: “Hoosier Daddy! IU sends Harbaugh packing from Michigan for good with devastating loss”.

 

[boiler1987]

You can argue with me all day on Brohm your not going to convince me of anything. If he repeats I'll start taking notice but IMO he hasn't done anything yet.

As far as Frost goes the jury is still out.

Hasn’t done anything? Yikes.

I guess Brohm’s offense didn’t do too well in the bowl game. Or in several other games this year. He’s recruited well, won a bowl game in a year with a severely limited roster, completely overhauled the roster, and built a tremendous staff. Remind me why that’s not impressive.

 

[Hoosiers Rising]

Hasn’t done anything? Yikes.

I guess Brohm’s offense didn’t do too well in the bowl game. Or in several other games this year. He’s recruited well, won a bowl game in a year with a severely limited roster, completely overhauled the roster, and built a tremendous staff. Remind me why that’s not impressive.

Our coach takes a lot more criticism on here than yours does. I guess every one here should worship him? It's an opinion, get over it.

 

[LeConte]

You can argue with me all day on Brohm your not going to convince me of anything. If he repeats I'll start taking notice but IMO he hasn't done anything yet.

As far as Frost goes the jury is still out.

Hate to agree with the Purdue folks on the board, but Brohm is REALLY good. He's a proven head coach, and he turned that team around from a dog to respectable in one year. I hope Petrino leaves U of L soon so we can get him out of West Lafayette.

 

[Crimson Crush]

Hate to agree with the Purdue folks on the board, but Brohm is REALLY good. He's a proven head coach, and he turned that team around from a dog to respectable in one year. I hope Petrino leaves U of L soon so we can get him out of West Lafayette.

The big key to middle of the pack .500 ball clubs like Purdue or Indiana when hiring new coaches is that the staff needs to be a group that coached together at a prior stop. Purdue did this with Brohm and IU did this somewhat with Allen (although his offensive staff was new to the IU program, they had coached together). I believe this is a prerequisite to success. Brohm brough his WKU staff. Allen was here before and 1/2 of the staff was retained. The Wilson and Cam staffs were the antithesis of this philosophy and it showed. You cannot pull in a guy from a coordinator position who has to assemble an entirely new staff of connections from various programs that likely didn’t work together before. That doesn’t get it done for programs on a complete rebuild. It may be perfectly fine for OSU or Alabama but doesn’t translate to programs trying to move up. IU got that formula right with Mallory, Hep and Allen. Not so much with Cam, Dinardo and Wilson. You bring in a coach AND his staff in these things.

 

[destewart]

You can argue with me all day on Brohm your not going to convince me of anything. If he repeats I'll start taking notice but IMO he hasn't done anything yet.

As far as Frost goes the jury is still out.

The big key to middle of the pack .500 ball clubs like Purdue or Indiana when hiring new coaches is that the staff needs to be a group that coached together at a prior stop. Purdue did this with Brohm and IU did this somewhat with Allen (although his offensive staff was new to the IU program, they had coached together). I believe this is a prerequisite to success. Brohm brough his WKU staff. Allen was here before and 1/2 of the staff was retained. The Wilson and Cam staffs were the antithesis of this philosophy and it showed. You cannot pull in a guy from a coordinator position who has to assemble an entirely new staff of connections from various programs that likely didn’t work together before. That doesn’t get it done for programs on a complete rebuild. It may be perfectly fine for OSU or Alabama but doesn’t translate to programs trying to move up. IU got that formula right with Mallory, Hep and Allen. Not so much with Cam, Dinardo and Wilson. You bring in a coach AND his staff in these things.

Tiller brought his Wyoming staff and Cam had to start from scratch. It made a difference. Colletto lost the Bucket and was history. Mallory won and was shown the exit ramp.

 

[td75]

Personally, the more I looked at Purdue's season, it occurred to me that their DC was probably more responsible for their bowl game than Brohm was. That said, Brohm is a very good football coach with an aggressive play calling style that fans like. If he were to lose that DC, it would really hurt their success, IMO. I don't see how Purdue keeps him, JMO.

Regarding IU, I think the positives are that Allen will typically trot out a competent defense and that's something that iu simply hasn't had since Mallory. Another positive seems to be Allen's recruiting. After a disappointing loss to Purdue, Allen was able to go out and sign a respectable class including a 4* QB from Florida and a stud RB from Virginia.

I do not like the division alignments, it puts IU, Maryland, and Rutgers at a severe disadvantage. When teams like Purdue, Iowa, Minny, NU and Illinois have a legitimate chance of ducking Penn State, Ohio State, MSU and Michigan more often than not, it's a Piss Poor setup to determine who fights it out in the Big Ten Championship game. It's just unreal that supposedly intelligent people actually put this alignment into play!!!

I think going forward, Indiana, Rutgers, MD, and even Michigan State, should buck up to the Big Ten brass and express their wishes to Delany that this is a completely unacceptable arrangement. It has a good chance of killing Michigan too........

 

[boiler1987]

Personally, the more I looked at Purdue's season, it occurred to me that their DC was probably more responsible for their bowl game than Brohm was. That said, Brohm is a very good football coach with an aggressive play calling style that fans like. If he were to lose that DC, it would really hurt their success, IMO. I don't see how Purdue keeps him, JMO.

Regarding IU, I think the positives are that Allen will typically trot out a competent defense and that's something that iu simply hasn't had since Mallory. Another positive seems to be Allen's recruiting. After a disappointing loss to Purdue, Allen was able to go out and sign a respectable class including a 4* QB from Florida and a stud RB from Virginia.

I do not like the division alignments, it puts IU, Maryland, and Rutgers at a severe disadvantage. When teams like Purdue, Iowa, Minny, NU and Illinois have a legitimate chance of ducking Penn State, Ohio State, MSU and Michigan more often than not, it's a Piss Poor setup to determine who fights it out in the Big Ten Championship game. It's just unreal that supposedly intelligent people actually put this alignment into play!!!

I think going forward, Indiana, Rutgers, MD, and even Michigan State, should buck up to the Big Ten brass and express their wishes to Delany that this is a completely unacceptable arrangement. It has a good chance of killing Michigan too........

You don’t see how Purdue keeps Holt? I think they’ll pony up a decent amount to keep him if other teams try to come after him. Holt did fantastic but so did Brohm. The entire staff did a great job this year.

 

[destewart]

Personally, the more I looked at Purdue's season, it occurred to me that their DC was probably more responsible for their bowl game than Brohm was. That said, Brohm is a very good football coach with an aggressive play calling style that fans like. If he were to lose that DC, it would really hurt their success, IMO. I don't see how Purdue keeps him, JMO.

Regarding IU, I think the positives are that Allen will typically trot out a competent defense and that's something that iu simply hasn't had since Mallory. Another positive seems to be Allen's recruiting. After a disappointing loss to Purdue, Allen was able to go out and sign a respectable class including a 4* QB from Florida and a stud RB from Virginia.

I do not like the division alignments, it puts IU, Maryland, and Rutgers at a severe disadvantage. When teams like Purdue, Iowa, Minny, NU and Illinois have a legitimate chance of ducking Penn State, Ohio State, MSU and Michigan more often than not, it's a Piss Poor setup to determine who fights it out in the Big Ten Championship game. It's just unreal that supposedly intelligent people actually put this alignment into play!!!

I think going forward, Indiana, Rutgers, MD, and even Michigan State, should buck up to the Big Ten brass and express their wishes to Delany that this is a completely unacceptable arrangement. It has a good chance of killing Michigan too........

Take a good look at the SEC West!

 

[ElMeson]

Personally, the more I looked at Purdue's season, it occurred to me that their DC was probably more responsible for their bowl game than Brohm was. That said, Brohm is a very good football coach with an aggressive play calling style that fans like. If he were to lose that DC, it would really hurt their success, IMO. I don't see how Purdue keeps him, JMO.

Regarding IU, I think the positives are that Allen will typically trot out a competent defense and that's something that iu simply hasn't had since Mallory. Another positive seems to be Allen's recruiting. After a disappointing loss to Purdue, Allen was able to go out and sign a respectable class including a 4* QB from Florida and a stud RB from Virginia.

I do not like the division alignments, it puts IU, Maryland, and Rutgers at a severe disadvantage. When teams like Purdue, Iowa, Minny, NU and Illinois have a legitimate chance of ducking Penn State, Ohio State, MSU and Michigan more often than not, it's a Piss Poor setup to determine who fights it out in the Big Ten Championship game. It's just unreal that supposedly intelligent people actually put this alignment into play!!!

I think going forward, Indiana, Rutgers, MD, and even Michigan State, should buck up to the Big Ten brass and express their wishes to Delany that this is a completely unacceptable arrangement. It has a good chance of killing Michigan too........

How is it fair to PSU & OSU? Is it because they are already elite? You cry about this once a month. Would you cry if we were in the West? Just get better. It’s that simple. Miss St and Arky don’t seem to cry about being in the SEC West. And they say my generation sucks...

 

[td75]

Fella, if you can defend this mess, I truly question your Indiana Football loyalties. You're damn right I bitch about it, it's a catastrophe.

 

[vesuvius13]

You can see Pods scheduling for each conference here : https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/6/16/11935718/ncaa-conferences-divisions-scheduling

I like this plan much better as it would cycle through all the schools playing everyone in the conference in two years. It eliminates any advantages in scheduling and creates a more fair system. This is what needs to be put in place for every schools benefit.

 

[td75]

I like that system, too. With the current alignments, there's absolutely zero balance in this league. That format seems to solve most issues, what's not to like?

 

[76-1]

You can see Pods scheduling for each conference here : https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/6/16/11935718/ncaa-conferences-divisions-scheduling

I like this plan much better as it would cycle through all the schools playing everyone in the conference in two years. It eliminates any advantages in scheduling and creates a more fair system. This is what needs to be put in place for every schools benefit.

That's interesting. My tweak to that would have us playing IL every year rather than Rutgers and give Rutgers to Ohio $tate rather tha IL otherwise, at a glance, it looks interesting.

 

[Indianaftw]

I like that system, too. With the current alignments, there's absolutely zero balance in this league. That format seems to solve most issues, what's not to like?

Unfortunately its not going to happen. Wait till you see the 2019 schedule. I agree its murderers row every damn year. We are going to have to hit another couple notches in recruiting and play on the field. While I agree were close its a tough road to hoe no doubt! If we ever make it through we would be playing for a national title. The same cannot be said for the west division.