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I think Trump is in a unique spot here. If he goes ahead and fills it, he energizes the dem base even more than they are now.

If he waits he can say, “hey conservatives, you need to get out and vote for me if you want this seat”. Hopefully energizing his base.

I think he’ll push ahead with the nom. And things are gonna get nuts. Even more nuts than they already are.
 
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Or stop electing democrat mayors. Just a thought. Having your Sunday paper declare your city Homicide City after 50 years of Dems running it is aggravating. 900,000 to 300,000 pop in that time. Ridiculous.

I don’t think it is fair to extrapolate what has gone on in St Louis to all Democrat run cities. Stl has the highest or one of the highest murder rates in the country year in and year out and is one of the few large cities in the country losing populations. Most cities are gaining residents. It’s an outlier.
 
I don’t think it is fair to extrapolate what has gone on in St Louis to all Democrat run cities. Stl has the highest or one of the highest murder rates in the country year in and year out and is one of the few large cities in the country losing populations. Most cities are gaining residents. It’s an outlier.
I do agree to an extent. That said lots of major blue cities are losing population from nyc to chicago to Baltimore. Fla passed ny and is now the third most populated state. It’ll be interesting to see the impact of this on the election
 
I do agree to an extent. That said lots of major blue cities are losing population from nyc to chicago to Baltimore. Fla passed ny and is now the third most populated state. It’ll be interesting to see the impact of this on the election

NYC 2019 population is up 2% since 2010 census. Baltimore and Chicago are down, but most cities are not. Certainly no other big city has lost population at the rate of St Louis

EDIT: Of the 50 largest cities in the US, only Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Detroit have negative pop growth since 2010.
 
NYC 2019 population is up 2% since 2010 census. Baltimore and Chicago are down, but most cities are not. Certainly no other big city has lost population at the rate of St Louis

EDIT: Of the 50 largest cities in the US, only Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Detroit have negative pop growth since 2010.
Yeah I saw more recent stats than the last decade. I saw the last few years. I just saw nyc is losing 277 people a day.
 
More middle of the road bullshit, I see.
I was looking for your chastisement of HooDayGuy. Did I miss it?
He’s not hurling thoughtless, baseless insults at good people I know & care about. You seem like you need a hug, see if you can find one...
 
That’s more Covid related than anything, don’t you think?
It predated Covid. But yes Covid is definitely a part. Fla and tx were the two fastest growing states in 2019. For many reasons. And as for nyc the business leaders penned their letter over crime and homelessness
 
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It predated Covid. But yes Covid is definitely a part. Fla and tx were the two fastest growing states in 2019. For many reasons. And as for nyc the business leaders penned their letter over crime and homelessness

Have not seen data that many large Democrat run cities were losing population pre Covid. Not saying you are wrong but I am skeptical. As for Florida and Texas, are most people not moving to the large Democrat run cities?
 
Have not seen data that many large Democrat run cities were losing population pre Covid. Not saying you are wrong but I am skeptical. As for Florida and Texas, are most people not moving to the large Democrat run cities?
I think they’re moving away from cities. Not Miami. Etc. but I don’t know that for sure
 
I can find nothing from the time. In 2019 he said McConnell was wrong in 2016 Of course McConnell being wrong does not change the facts on the ground, the GOP literally stole a seat.
Oh, and I do think CO legitimately did not like McConnell's action.
Thanks. My visceral disdain for COH makes me assume the worst from him. Sometimes it's not the good bet it normally is.
 
This election is likely to be litigated in many ways. We cannot have a SCOTUS with 8 members in the coming months.
Nonsense.

Alt-Right nonsense.

Scalia died in February, 2016. Obama nominated Garland on March 16, 2016.


Moscow Mitch never let the nomination come to a vote in the Senate.

Ten months later, Trump nominated Gorsuch on January 31, 2017, 11 days after Trump was inaugurated. Gorsuch was sworn in in April, 2017. So, McConnell, CoH and the other Radical Republicans were content to have only eight justices for 14 months after Scalia s death because they thought they benefitted.



There is no pressing need to fill a Supreme Court vacancy before the election (i.e. in six weeks). -- except for the part where Trump and CoHoosier are both terrified that Trump would lose a Supreme Court ruling pertaining to the election if he doesn't stack the court with an extra pro-Trump vote.

Judge Trump's desperation by what he does in his own defense and benefit -- Trump (and CoH) think Trump is in trouble and needs an extra vote in the Supreme Court.
 
I think they’re moving away from cities. Not Miami. Etc. but I don’t know that for sure

It appears to be a mix in these states. Texas has grown 15.3% from 2010 to 2019 and Florida 14.2%

In that same time, Houston has had 10.5% growth, San Antonio 16.6, Dallas 12.1, Austin 23.8, Fort Worth (Republican major) 22 and El Paso (Republican major) 5.

In Florida, Jacksonville (Republican major) had 10.9% growth, Miami 17, Tampa 19%,Orlando 20.6, St Petersburg 8.4%.

I may be nitpicking you, but many of your posts on cities seem to operate on the assumption that most are similar to St Louis and I don’t think the facts bear that out
 
I think they’re moving away from cities. Not Miami. Etc. but I don’t know that for sure


No clue about St Louis, specifically.... but the trend pre-covid around most of the country has be re-urbanization/ gentrification. City cores in most places have (had) been flourishing. Covid has obviously been a serious blow to urban downtown's, etc.... which will likely take a long while to recover from.

NYC is a pretty extreme example. It's cost of living had become unsustainable. But it's a place that seems to go in cycles.
 
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Trump is going to try to do exactly what a Dem would try to do in this position.

The Dems are going to try to do exactly what the Pubs would try to do in this position.

Summed up the thread for you, sorry I didn't get to it before you all wasted so much time.
 
It appears to be a mix in these states. Texas has grown 15.3% from 2010 to 2019 and Florida 14.2%

In that same time, Houston has had 10.5% growth, San Antonio 16.6, Dallas 12.1, Austin 23.8, Fort Worth (Republican major) 22 and El Paso (Republican major) 5.

In Florida, Jacksonville (Republican major) had 10.9% growth, Miami 17, Tampa 19%,Orlando 20.6, St Petersburg 8.4%.

I may be nitpicking you, but many of your posts on cities seem to operate on the assumption that most are similar to St Louis and I don’t think the facts bear that out
It appears to be a mix in these states. Texas has grown 15.3% from 2010 to 2019 and Florida 14.2%

In that same time, Houston has had 10.5% growth, San Antonio 16.6, Dallas 12.1, Austin 23.8, Fort Worth (Republican major) 22 and El Paso (Republican major) 5.

In Florida, Jacksonville (Republican major) had 10.9% growth, Miami 17, Tampa 19%,Orlando 20.6, St Petersburg 8.4%.

I may be nitpicking you, but many of your posts on cities seem to operate on the assumption that most are similar to St Louis and I don’t think the facts bear that out
You might be right. The most dangerous cities have held pretty constant which was the basis of my first post: stl, Baltimore, Detroit, Memphis, Oakland... As for leaving blue cities for red states I agree it’s a mixed bag; and cost of living is likely the largest factor
 
All of the 2016 positions, together:

2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

2018, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”

2016, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”

2016, Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”

2016, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”

2016, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”

2016, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”

2016, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”

2016, Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”

2016, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”

2016, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”
Mitch McConnell, March 2016

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Test of character, indeed.
 
24 karat irony
I really haven’t cared up to this point who gets to appoint the SCOTUS Justice, but I have to admit, I will enjoy watching the heads of the leftist bigots of the board explode if he rams one through, & the subsequent hypocrisy as they condone the same deplorable behavior from their party that they condemn from the McConnells of the world...
 
McConnell was wrong on Garland. Deliberately delaying a new SCOTUS nominee is also wrong and weakens our system of governance. Such a delay is nothing but a rejection of the prior election hoping that the next one will be more acceptable. That’s nuts. Murkowski and anybody else who uses the next election as an excuse for urging the Senate to go into hiding needs to resign.
Quote: "Deliberately delaying a new SCOTUS nominee (for 14 months is wrong) is also wrong...."

Translation: But it's good if the same people speed up the confirmation process so that it occurs before the November election to help Trump.
 
Your middle of the road bullshit. It's so transparent, and not worth another minute of my time. Everyone here sees you for what you are.
Now, we are done.
You already said that. Do you mean it this time? And you didn’t list what I’ve been dishonest about...
 
There he is...Jet's brother (or sister) in arms.
Go back and argue with Ordfan for a couple thousand more posts. That's your true purpose in life.

Funny stuff from a guy that adds nothing but middle-school arguments and mindless drool to the board.
 
I really haven’t cared up to this point who gets to appoint the SCOTUS Justice, but I have to admit, I will enjoy watching the heads of the leftist bigots of the board explode if he rams one through, & the subsequent hypocrisy as they condone the same deplorable behavior from their party that they condemn from the McConnells of the world...

I care. I want someone with and open mind but a constitutional framework who is not on a mission to legislate from the bench. We don't need another Kavanaugh or Sotomayor.
 
Quote: "Deliberately delaying a new SCOTUS nominee (for 14 months is wrong) is also wrong...."

Translation: But it's good if the same people speed up the confirmation process so that it occurs before the November election to help Trump.

The Dems won’t make a relief package deal cuz it will help Trump.

So here is the stuffshot rule: Every election year we just shut the whole son of a bitch down and there will be no governing at all. Any government will help somebody so let’s don’t have any.

Does that about cover it for you?
 
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No. Trump just said he loves women even more than men.

Full-steam ahead, then.
All of the 2016 positions, together:

2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

2018, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”

2016, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”

2016, Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”

2016, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”

2016, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”

2016, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”

2016, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”

2016, Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”

2016, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”

2016, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”
Mitch McConnell, March 2016

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Test of character, indeed.

People are fed-up with this BS.
 
Trump is going to try to do exactly what a Dem would try to do in this position.

The Dems are going to try to do exactly what the Pubs would try to do in this position.

Summed up the thread for you, sorry I didn't get to it before you all wasted so much time.
I think it’s pretty naive to think the Democrats wouldn’t force a nomination in this situation.
 
The Dems won’t make a relief package deal cuz it will help Trump.

So here is the stuffshot rule: Every election year we just shut the whole son of a bitch down and there will be no governing at all. Any government will help somebody so let’s don’t have any.

Does that about cover it for you?
The House has had a package in for months.
 
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