For 3 years Schiff told us he had evidence no one else had - now he is a proven liar. Some people triple down on stupid.
Russia offered Taliban bounties for dead US troops in Afghanistan
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TDS afflicts people who never got over DT winning - not me. Since Hillary said today she could beat Trump in November, never got over it, she is patient zero.
Tell him and his type that breathing is a liberal idea and they’ll all suffocate.
Overweight, alone, disgruntled, malcontent, unwashed and ignorant?
Naw, that doesn't sound like much fun.
My bad. I'll contact the several decorated vets and those who were in his own administration (they actually have first-hand knowledge of his incompetence) who have spoke out and said the same thing as me. You probably know more than them as well.
And I hear a lot of MSNBC, etc. is fake news, blah blah blah. I rarely watch cable news but I don't recall a show about fake news. Yes, there's a narrative which I wouldn't even call a bias, rather they report things you don't like. Here's a project for you... Watch Rachel Maddow every night for a week and report back any fake news/statements.
Rachel's take on Covid has become tedious. But her coverage of the DoJ and Barr's shenanigans with first the SDNY and now the EDNY offices in the last weak or so has been brutal. That should be front and center everywhere, but is sadly getting little real in depth reporting.
CNN, MSNBC, Fox, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, don't have to report anything actually fake to be totally and completely biased and misleading to the point of being downright corrupt, or propaganda disguised as news and commentary..
all they have to do is pick and choose what they do or don't report, what gets all the discussion time, what questions are asked and what aren't, what important stories never see the light of day, what unsubstantiated rumor gets amplified to 11 in an echo chamber, and who is doing all the discussing.
and all the above mentioned media have mastered this to their own ends.
and capitalism, not journalism, drives all their decision making.
as for Rachael, it's what she never touches that's just as or more important than what she repeats over and over, that stops her from ever being anything close to a journalist.
not her call though. capitalism at work again.
I'm sorry Rachael, I can't allow you to do that.
Since you're obviously a believer in "Obamagate" maybe you can fill in some interesting pieces of info, with regards to the timeline.
When exactly did the dastardly Dems decide that out of all the 17+ candidates vying for the GOP nomination that Donald Trump presented the threat and his campaign was the one they were going to "conspire against"?
I ask this in the context of RUSSIA being chosen as the target country to link Trump to? Let's revisit the GOP Primaries in the winter/spring of 2016...
Now I didn't watch the Klown show in progress, but my research tells me that it wasn't until he won huge races on Super Tuesday that Trump became favored to win the nomination. That was on March 1, 2016.
So I'd say it's pretty safe to say that the EARLIEST the Dems would have perceived Trump as the major threat, decided to build a "fake conspiracy" set around tying him to a foreign power AND chosen Russia/Putin as the optimum power to "tie him to" would have been the week or so following Super Tues, as the GOP race started to shake out...
Of course, we need to revise that timeline forward a bit because we know that Rubio with the assistance of the Free Beacon had contracted with Fusion to do opposition research on Trump, and that research was still being conducted up until May 2016.
"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination."
So this is where I get confused with the timeline of the Dems taking over that research, Fusion hiring Chris Steele, and the decision to choose Russia as the "scapegoat".We know that Carter Page went to Moscow in June and that the initial report Steele filed dealt with people Page reportedly met with in Russia on the trip. Now, why do you think the Dems zeroed in on Carter Page as the first element that they wanted to use to tie Trump to the "phony conspiracy"?
So WHEN was this nefarious Dem plot hatched, and how did they fortuitously choose Russia, the country Page just happened to visit in June? What could have happened between Super Tues and Carter Page's mid-June trip to Russia? You know since the Dems "invented" this Trump Russia story, and then just happened to luck out when the totally innocent Carter Page just happened to take a totally innocent trip to Russia to attend a Conference which advocated removing sanctions against Russia. Sanctions which affected the Russian Energy sector (which Page was invested in) that were implemented after the Russians invaded the Crimea, in response to Yanukovych being thrown out of Ukraine.
Now let's recount events that preceded Steele's involvement, but subsequent to Trump being a "worthy target" Still wondering what could have caused the Dems to choose Russia as the country to tie Trump to? Couldn't have been anything on Team Trump's end right? I mean the Dems just pulled Russia right out of a hat. And just happened to get lucky when someone nobody knew anything about named Carter Page took a fortuitous trip to Russia, within weeks of the Dems hiring Fusion/Steele...
Wait- maybe THIS is a clue. The March 30, 2016 headline from Quartz Magazine...
"Trump is assembling a team of advisors who have also worked for Putin’s cronies"
In preparation for what will surely be a heated Republican convention, Donald Trump has hired an experienced political operative to help wrangle GOP delegates: Paul Manafort, a strategist with three decades of Republican conventions under his belt, who has also worked for some unsavory international clients.
That roster includes the pro-Russian former president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, who was deposed in a popular revolution in 2013.
As Quartz reported earlier this month, Trump’s foreign policy advisors also include Carter Page, a former advisor and current shareholder in the state-controlled Russian natural gas giant, Gazprom, who has advocated for a less adversarial US stance toward Moscow. Bloomberg spoke with Sergey Yatsenko, a former Gazprom official who is now an official adviser to Page’s firm, who said Page “understands what’s going on in Russia … He doesn’t make strong judgments.”
https://qz.com/650201/donald-trump-...rmer-president-putin-buddy-viktor-yanukovych/
So the media knew in March that Trump was hiring dubious people with connections to Putin, but Team Trump didn't know that was a mistake? The Trump people apparently didn't vet either Page or Manafort, and somehow missed these TROUBLING factors? But you think the Dems "INVENTED" the "phony Russian Connection"? LOL...
Seriously Dude, do you Know ANYTHING about this topic? Or are you just coming on here and parroting Trump talking points in the amateur hour?
Man, I have much respect that you consistently counter argue with detailed facts with ignorant hillbillies, but I hope you know they most likely don’t have the capacity to understand your posts. I still like and appreciate you put it on the record.
FFS, we have one guy that recently started posting over here from the b-ball board, that is getting all armed up because he thinks BLM and Antifa are coming to Henryville, In for fuc*s sake. That’s the level of moronic ignorance you’re dealing with here. Much love brother!
I half jokingly said I'd like to see rump's head on a pike. Assuming that's not on the menu, how does he not end up being tried for treason when his reign of corruptness is over?
Share counter-terrorism intelligence with Russia while they offer cash rewards to terrorists for killing American soldiers. Hmmm.... treaso...
One thing I have learned in 4 years is that Trump followers have no shame. They lack character in many ways almost as much as they lack intelligence. They've looked away on many things and ignore the countless lies that were told to them only to focus on the lie of the moment.
Right now, Russia putting bounties on American soldiers and Trump wanting CIA to give them intel, doesn't matter, neither does the incompetent covid response killing 1000's and wrecking our economy. Nope. They are more concerned about the "lawless radical left socialists" and the lives of f**king lawn ornaments.
Its bad faith. The GOP didn’t care about Benghazi. It was a political tool to tar Clinton. The lying and bad faith is why we can’t have actual debates.
i'll let you guys write the captions.
former US national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, (father of Mika), with Osama back when the Afghans were fighting the Ruskies before we took the Ruskies place, and they, ours. .
i wonder if the US was paying bin Laden bounties to kill Ruskies in Afganistan.
i wonder if Rambo cleaned up on bounties.
https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-...all-4a0f6110-ab58-41c0-96fc-57b507462af1.html
Exclusive: Trump never raised Russia's Taliban bounties with Putin
Jonathan Swan, Dave Lawler
President Trump has never confronted Vladimir Putin with intelligence indicating Russia paid the Taliban to kill U.S. troops, he told “Axios on HBO” in an interview on Tuesday.
Why it matters: Democrats have seized on the issue, and Trump's reluctance to discuss it, as evidence he’s unwilling to challenge Putin even when American lives are at stake.
“I have never discussed it with him.”
Pressed on why he didn’t raise the matter in Thursday’s call, he said: “That was a phone call to discuss other things, and frankly that’s an issue that many people said was fake news.”
What to watch: The Taliban and U.S. signed a deal in February aiming to bring U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan to an end after nearly two decades. Trump insists the U.S. will move ahead with its withdrawal, though the intra-Afghan peace process that was to precede an American exit has repeatedly broken down.
Exclusive: Trump never raised Russia's Taliban bounties with Putin
Jonathan Swan, Dave Lawler
President Trump has never confronted Vladimir Putin with intelligence indicating Russia paid the Taliban to kill U.S. troops, he told “Axios on HBO” in an interview on Tuesday.
Why it matters: Democrats have seized on the issue, and Trump's reluctance to discuss it, as evidence he’s unwilling to challenge Putin even when American lives are at stake.
- Trump spoke with Putin on Thursday, and subsequently deflected a question about whether he’d raised the alleged bounty scheme, saying on Monday: “We don't talk about what we discussed, but we had plenty of discussion.”
“I have never discussed it with him.”
Pressed on why he didn’t raise the matter in Thursday’s call, he said: “That was a phone call to discuss other things, and frankly that’s an issue that many people said was fake news.”
- Trump has spoken to Putin at least eight times since intelligence about the alleged Russian bounties was reportedly included in the President's Daily Brief — his written intelligence briefing — in late February.
- Trump’s team says he was not verbally briefed on the matter before a June 26 report from the New York Times brought the controversy out into the open.
- In 2018, Gen. John Nicholson, then the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, accused Russia of providing money and arms to the group, saying, "we know that the Russians are involved."
- Trump told “Axios on HBO” that he was not aware of Nicholson’s comments, and said evidence that Russia was aiding the Taliban “never reached my desk.”
- Those payments were funneled through middlemen and could run as high as $100,000, according to the Times.
- The White House claimed that Trump had not been briefed on the matter because the intelligence was inconclusive.
- Multiple outlets subsequently reported that the intelligence was included in the PDB, but that Trump may not have read it.
- Trump insisted in the interview that he does read the PDB — “they like to say I don’t read, I read a lot” — but stood by the claim that the matter “never reached my desk” because U.S. intelligence “didn’t think it was real.”
- However, several former national security officials have questioned the rationale for not briefing Trump about such a serious issue, even if the intelligence was not rock solid.
- The Kremlin and the Taliban have, unsurprisingly, denied the existence of any bounty scheme.
- Joe Biden accused Trump of “dereliction of duty,” claiming he either wasn’t briefed on a life-and-death matter, or “was briefed and nothing was done about this.”
- Sen. Tammy Duckworth, who has been considered a potential Biden running mate, has been updating a tally of how many days Trump has gone without challenging Russia on the matter.
What to watch: The Taliban and U.S. signed a deal in February aiming to bring U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan to an end after nearly two decades. Trump insists the U.S. will move ahead with its withdrawal, though the intra-Afghan peace process that was to precede an American exit has repeatedly broken down.
"No Trump official had appeared on the network since 2016, in part because US intel determined it was a propaganda outlet".
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how can networks be any more propaganda outlets than Fox News, CNN, MSNBC/NBC, CBS, ABC?
even PBS has been captured by pure corporate interests, as has C-Span.
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