Would love to get UNC. NC is a growing state and I think it's already the 9th or 10th most populous state. That would make so much sense for the B1G, but that ACC GoR deal is nuts.
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I'm OK with or without Stanford (which the B1G school presidents would love to add) but I'm greedy re: the ACC-I want BOTH Carolina and Virginia. Stanford's prestige matters more to the presidents than its football attendance.
I'd be OK with Miami (academically pretty good AAU school with a sometimes cheesy football program) instead of Stanford. Either way, you get into another really good TV market.
I REALLY hope we don't end up with 17 (or 19) schools, even temporarily. I'd even consider Georgia Tech, if only to get into Atlanta (decent-sized IU alum base there from what I've been told) but their football program is a hot mess right now.
But a decent sized IU alumni base probably wouldn't matter in TV revenue by adding Ga Tech. You think Hoosier alums are suddenly going to start watching B10 games because Ga Tech is now in the league? I would think it would be about the viewers their fans would bring and with a sizable TV market, that would make sense I guess.
I live in the ACC South and I, and most of my B10 friends subscribe to the BTN already. So the only real "target audience" I'd see being added is Ga Tech alums who are big fans and might subscribe to the BTN to see more of their games and watch conference games? That's the play? Doesn't seem like it would draw that many new subscribers from Ga Tech. USC and UCLA I could see bringing bigger audiences.
I live in your neck of the woods. Most GA Tech alums I know could t give 2 sh!ts about the yellow jacket sports teams
It would just be packaged differently. The B1G would be added to other packages and services.
That's my point. If the $$ goal is to add TV viewers to the BTN, I don't see it happening with GA Tech grads or that many new ones. The B10 alums in Atlanta likely already have it, or aren't changing, so I don't see them being a difference maker like USC or UCLA might be.
Are you talking btn+? That’s not the goal. It would be packaged regular BTN channels in areas they don’t currently. The BTN plus is just icing. So cable/media subscribers would just be paying for it regardless with their media of choice(comcast, YouTubeTV..etc.) so paying for potential. That’s the key. The media would then pay the big ten. If you aren’t then how are you paying? Is it an add on to regular cable? That’s not what they are after. So basically it’s not about just “viewers” it’s about automatically adding BTN to regular packages that cable/media would pay for not the actual individual.
That's why I like Virginia Tech more than Georgia Tech. Virginia has a statewide population of 8.5M (about 2M more than Indiana), enough to take both VA & VT. which geographically cover different parts of the state. VT has fanatical football fans. Although not as highly rated as GT (#74 on US News, v.#35 for GT), they have a highly regarded engineering school, which fits in nicely with all the BT engineering schools.. UVA for liberal arts, VT for tech. That's a good rivalry to add.
Both schools have total attendance of roughly 36000, with the huge difference being that GT has about 15000 grad students v. about 7000 for VT......that's probably why the Princeton Review found GT students to be the unhappiest student body in the US.
No doubt GT is an amazing school.......but if things work out as projected ND, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Washington UNC, & Duke may all end up in the BT.....that's enough eggheads for any single sports conference.....we need some fans.
My most under-rated expansion schools are Washington & Virginia Tech.
Virginia Tech beating us in the Poulan Weed Eater Independence Bowl started a decline for which my deserved restitution has not been paid. So yes - let's play Va. Tech. That secesh ass needs more beating.
The way I’m reading the media market deal isn’t about who watches the games. I’m reading it as paying for BTN added to regular cable/media packages. So people just merely buying cable or streaming services are paying customers regardless of being a viewer. So if that market area has 6 million cable subscribers and they add BTN to that standard package then it’s billions in revenue. They pay no matter if they like the team or not. That’s why I asked Kkott what/how he was paying.
I assume it's BTN, but I don't really know what BTN+ is. BTN has been available here in Charlotte for 10+ years. Now, you generally have to get an upgraded package to get it, but we didn't need a BT school in the area to get it.
I get that, but we do have to consider that these decisions will (hopefully) stick for 30-40 years. We don't know how the present media models will change, but we do know we (ie IU fans, coaches players, students, administrators) will be interacting with these entities for as long as we are around. So I think geography and culture will still have a role. What we're possibly looking at now is the old BT schools + a NW presence + an Atlantic Coast presence. That's quite a reach, and the BT would be dominate or equal in each of those regions. I feel like also trying to add a deep South presence is a bridge too far. Leave that region for the SEC. You can't be everything for everybody.
That’s my point. It’s not part of the regular package. If a school in that region was in the B1G then it wouldn’t be a premium channel. So basically a very small amount of people buy it. So the B1G is going after large markets for the big pay. Georgia tech, Florida schools, even NC has a bigger market than VT by a long shot. But don’t get me wrong they have to be an academic fit also. ND has national appeal though.
Yep. That’s why culture is taken into account. Academics, research but it has to be a top ten market too.
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