She was in a minority period. A 5'+ dynamo who was fiercely loyal to her team. As small child, I remember listening to Ohio State football on the radio every Saturday. The first football player I can remember was Howard "Hopalong" Cassidy. That goes back nearly 70 years.
Rumors Galore of Oregon & Washington joining BIG
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Well, we’ll see what happens when the Irish join the Big Ten, teamed with Stanford.
Did I miss the memo. or something but cant someone root for whomever they want?! I mean if I wanna root for IU basketball, ND football, and Auburn lacrosse is there some unwritten rule that says I can't? Also if I wanna change who I cheer for every other week thats my choice. No one has a monopoly on fandom.
Big Ten reportedly waiting on Notre Dame before adding Washington, Oregon
Could the Big Ten be adding Notre Dame, Oregon and Washington as well? Reports indicate that could be in playspartanswire.usatoday.com
Everyone know about the academics of Cal Berkeley & Stanford, but Washington is huge in that department as well.........
#59 in US News for undergrads (Purdue: 49, IU: 68) is good, not great, but graduate schools stats are out of sight.
US News Global rankings, which emphasizes research, has UW at #5 (Stanford: 3; Cal: 4) in the world. For comparison, Michigan is at 19, NW at 24. UW had 16246 grad students in '21, a huge #. Total enrollment was 49000+. So it fits the BT norm of a huge, public research U. In fact, UW is in the top 5 nationally of all US Us, public & private, in fed research $.
My son lives in the Seattle area. I've visited several times. UW is a big presence there. They average in the mid 60000s in football attendance, and have a great football stadium.
For these reasons, Washington would be my favorite BT addition out of the Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington foursome. I'd rank it second in the PAC 12 overall, behind only USC, in overall attractiveness as a potential BT member.
Oregon is more of a flash in the pan v. Washington, but I'd pair Oregon with Washington as my favorites. Public v. Private (Stanford) and much better fan support (Cal). The academics are just ok (think of Missouri or Kansas) but the Washington-Oregon rivalry is a good one. As far as the academics go, adding USC, UCLA & Washington would be enough street cred to permit an Oregon to come in.
Let me add this.......people do underestimate the distances involved when they speak of Washington & Oregon as being travel partners with USC/UCLA.
Eugene is 860 miles from LA; Seattle over 1100 miles.
Hell, San Francisco is 382 miles from LA.
Understanding this, I still like the idea of the BT being front & center in the Pacific NW.
If ND keeps dragging their feet we might see all 4 in the B1G.
You can root for them, but it also says you only care about schools that are winning.
If the BT was really going to stop at 16 without ND, I'd say no, but we all know the BT will eventually go to at least 20, so why delay? Go ahead with Washington & Oregon now....leaving USC & UCLA on an island culturally long-term doesn't make much sense. Stanford could come later if BT wanted to join.
Estimates are that ND, to get out of the GOR on it's minor sports and the contract promise to join no other conference than the ACC, would have to pay the ACC $150-175 M. I don't see them doing that, as they don't really want to be in the BT anyway. They'll try to get more $ out of NBC first. If they can't get enough to survive until 2036, they'll try to partner with ESPN, UNC, Duke, Virginia, GT, FSU, Clemson as a coastal division of the SEC. If neither of those options works, they'll try to get some special deal with the Big 10, and play us v. the SEC.
I'm not high on also adding Stanford & Cal at this time. For one thing, we're already watering down basketball with USC, Washington & Oregon. Also, the football support at those two schools is tepid. Nothing screams fanatical football support more than the Stanford tree & band. And Cal has been a weak sister in football & basketball for many years. I assume their minor sports are better (?), but nothing like UCLA, USC or Stanford.
AND, if the ACC DID breakup, you want to have flexibility to add UNC & VA (V. Tech?/GT?). Or maybe Kansas.
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I can see it going many different ways but if the conferences get to what many say then the Irish will be without quality games. The SEC and B1G won’t have many out of conference games left. Essentially locking them out.
Lol, not true I've been an IU basketball fan my entire life and they certainly havent been winning the last two decades.
Two seminal moments in my sporting life were first, when the grade school chum whose dad took us to an IU game and to Noble Romans after. The second was a few years later my dad and a few of his brothers took me to a ND football game. I was wearing an old army field jacket and my uncles stuffed my pockets with cans of Rolling Rock beer and a pint of peppermint schnapps for me to smuggle in. First and worst hangover I ever had.
The first event began my lifelong love for IU basketball. The second event began my lifelong ND fandom, and my alcoholism😆, from which I've recovered nicely (so far today). I'm still a fan of ND football, but IU Basketball is my true love.
So, I must also be sued.
The first event began my lifelong love for IU basketball. The second event began my lifelong ND fandom, and my alcoholism😆, from which I've recovered nicely (so far today). I'm still a fan of ND football, but IU Basketball is my true love.
So, I must also be sued.
if the reports are true that B1G officials believe UO and UW don't meet the revenue generation threshold for admission, those 2 schools would presumably only be admitted with the understanding that initially they wouldn't be receiving a full amount of redistributed revenue. They would instead receive a smaller slice of the collective pie, just like current Big 12 schools not named UT or Oklahoma get a smaller payout than the folks in Austin and Norman do.
I could envision a scenario where both sides (UO/UW and B1G 10) say "it's still worth it" and they're admitted. Especially if ND and Stanford say "no thanks" to the B1G.
I could envision a scenario where both sides (UO/UW and B1G 10) say "it's still worth it" and they're admitted. Especially if ND and Stanford say "no thanks" to the B1G.
I think a lot of Catholics "root" for ND just because it's been in their family so long. A percentage of them are IU fans.... and PU fans... and...
well, it was a bad one. I grew up around a lot of Catholic families and most supported ND football, and oftentimes "their" own college or local college team too. But, ND football has been available to Catholics in the US almost every Saturday since I've been alive. Maybe I've been missing it, but I don't think the coverage of the Israeli National Soccer team is quite as extensive or popular.
Well, they aren't rooting for Saudi Arabia.
Have there been any credible reports that the Big 10 is pursuing any of these schools? I've heard several sports talk hosts imply that, but no idea where they are hearing that. Seems like it's being pursued, and I was googling it last night wondering if ND had said they were coming, because there was so much chatter. Also talking about the ACC being raided or not being a "have" but none of their schools are defecting as yet are they? What's the scuttlebutt there: Clemson to the SEC. and I guess ND to B10?
Only thing I’ve seen is ND or nobody. I’ve seen a report that ten schools have inquired but the B1G has said no. The ACC will get raided at some point. It’s not if…it’s when. Top tier left is Clemson (for football reasons only), FSU for markets(brand). Then it’s a second tier of NC for markets(RD and charlotte combined top ten) none of these schools make sense to raid yet. I think the big ten waits on ND. No need for them to rush.
It seems like an odd move on the part of USC & UCLA to come to the BT without any guarantee of other west coast teams. If I was a UCLA fan I'd be less than thrilled with a schedule that includes USC, a couple of west coast warm-up teams, and 8 random BT teams. Very strange.
The more I look at this and listen to people the more this makes sense. I hate Klat but he laid it out pretty well. UCLA is the step sister. UC needed a partner and she was the only one that brought enough to the table. It was kept so quiet that it almost certainly only those two considered the whole time. The B1G wants markets and there aren’t any substantial enough left. Not even the ACC has enough. UC and the B1G could’ve had any team they wanted from the PAC 12 but those two had the most market and eyeballs. They absolutely chose those two.
I don't like it, but they didn't ask me. It's all in pursuit of the mighty dollar. I guess their view may be that NFL teams do it... but of course they are pros who don't have to worry about (the illusion of?) classes!
Since before you were born actually… remember the (effectively) national radio network when ND didn’t charge for radio broadcast rights.
Looking at last year’s standings, a uniform random distribution should result in 4 winning (conference) records and 4 losing records. Trading out ASU, Utah, … seems more like a wash to me. Seems its equally likely the draw would be Badgers, Gophers, Boilers, Hawkeyes, as Wolverines, Buckeyes, Spartans, Lions. Didn’t Oregon beat OSU last year?
| Michigan | 8-1 | .889 | 4-0 | 4-1 | 5-1 | W4 | 12-2 | .857 | 7-0 | 4-1 | 1-1 | L1 |
| Ohio State | 8-1 | .889 | 4-0 | 4-1 | 5-1 | L1 | 11-2 | .846 | 6-1 | 4-1 | 1-0 | W1 |
| Michigan State | 7-2 | .778 | 4-0 | 3-2 | 5-1 | W1 | 11-2 | .846 | 6-0 | 4-2 | 1-0 | W2 |
| Penn State | 4-5 | .444 | 2-2 | 2-3 | 3-3 | L1 | 7-6 | .538 | 5-3 | 2-3 | 0-0 | L2 |
| Maryland | 3-6 | .333 | 1-3 | 2-3 | 2-4 | W1 | 7-6 | .538 | 4-3 | 2-3 | 1-0 | W2 |
| Rutgers | 2-7 | .222 | 0-4 | 2-3 | 1-5 | L2 | 5-8 | .385 | 2-4 | 3-3 | 0-1 | L3 |
| Indiana | 0-9 | .000 | 0-4 | 0-5 | 0-6 | L9 | 2-10 | .167 | 1-5 | 1-5 | 0-0 | L8 |
| Iowa | 7-2 | .778 | 4-1 | 3-1 | 4-2 | W4 | 10-4 | .714 | 6-1 | 4-1 | 0-2 | L2 |
| Wisconsin | 6-3 | .667 | 3-2 | 3-1 | 5-1 | L1 | 9-4 | .692 | 5-2 | 3-1 | 1-1 | W1 |
| Minnesota | 6-3 | .667 | 3-2 | 3-1 | 4-2 | W2 | 9-4 | .692 | 4-3 | 4-1 | 1-0 | W3 |
| Purdue | 6-3 | .667 | 3-2 | 3-1 | 4-2 | W2 | 9-4 | .692 | 4-2 | 4-2 | 1-0 | W3 |
| Illinois | 4-5 | .444 | 2-3 | 2-2 | 3-3 | W1 | 5-7 | .417 | 3-4 | 2-3 | 0-0 | W1 |
| Nebraska | 1-8 | .111 | 1-4 | 0-4 | 1-5 | L6 | 3-9 | .250 | 3-4 | 0-5 | 0-0 | L6 |
| Northwestern | 1-8 | .111 | 1-4 | 0-4 | 0-6 | L6 | 3-9 | .250 | 3-4 | 0-5 | 0-0 | L6 |
https://bigten.org/standings.aspx?path=football
my point was that LOTS (most?) Catholic families I knew in IN and the midwest followed the Irish (ala Rudy). So, I didn't really understand his comment about Jews and the Israeli soccer team. I think support and following of ND is ingrained in many Catholic families at an early age and exists.
Wasn’t commenting about the 2nd sentence … Just the 1st and 3rd.
I’m with you that playing for ND is an Indiana and Midwest tradition for many.
I was just reinforcing how deep those roots are, and that they extended beyond the Midwest.
Even non-catholics. I grew up in the northern third of the state and tons of people I knew were ND Football fans and not catholic. Grandpa hooky was a huge fan going back to Knute. Digger was a likeable guy and brought a lot of fans to the hoops side of things too.
Yeah, I never understood how the "reversible jacket" thing got tied to IU; I guess just because we were bad at football, but not like PU was setting the world on fire. In fact, I've wondered if there weren't more of those Irish-Boiler fans because there are certainly more PU grads N of Indy and that's where I'd guess the ND support is the highest too, although I think because of the Catholic tie, they're still pretty popular all over IN.
I rooted for ND every time they played purdoo. That was purely "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" angle. I think that might be the genesis of the reversible jacket along with lots of people being Knight fans rather than Indiana fans.
there is an article with a former Fox TV executive (IIRC) being quoted in a way that sounds like he has sources and some contacts have been made, and that the B1G folks are skeptical about UO's and UW's ability to generate enough additional revenue to warrant their admission to the conference (the numbers he mentioned were $60 million projected revenue versus $143 million required). I don't know how those numbers were derived. People might ask "what about Phil Knight?" but I think the executive was referring specifically to revenue, not in-kind contributions or donations.
I saw the article on a YouTube channel and linked to it in a different post.
I saw the same. The B1G aren’t taking anymore until ND says no. Even then they aren’t taking just anyone. Big markets are gone.
maybe I'm just getting "get off my lawn" cranky in my old age, but I'm about ready to go to the other B1G schools that schedule ND and tell them "by continuing to play them, you're just enabling their arrogance and their ability to remain an 'independent' that our conference is helping without much to show for it."
I'm also about ready to tell ND "if you want to play us, join our freaking conference."
And I wouldn't be above telling Stanford "if not us, then who? Boise State and Wazzu? You need to get on board this train before it leaves the station."
A HUGE NO!! to Stanford. B!G does not need another Nebraska. Stanford has no fans at their games, much less a national appeal. Notre Dame and UNC or bust.
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