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RIP to another member of the greatest generation

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Pretty soon there will be no eyewitness to the death camps, then.

Sad that the example has been repeated by other regimes.
 
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Thanks for you for sharing this. Watching that series is such a humbling experience
 
Still the best war movie/series ever made. In fact, calling it a miniseries seems inadequate.

It is very much a tribute. And the 8th Air Force series I believe has finished filming so it should be out in a year or so (there will be a lot of special effects since they only used 2 real B17s.
 



WW passed too... 🇺🇸

 
My 92 year old Great Uncle sat with us on the 4th reflecting on everything from WW2 and his enlistment to the Navy at 17 after dropping out of high school to the 1937 Flood in the southern part of the state. His stories were amazing and his memory was unbelievable, I told him he should write a book. Said one of his greatest memories was meeting Jackie Robinson and getting to speak with him for over 10 minutes, oh and playing in the old Boston Garden when he was on the Navy's traveling basketball team.

I could have listened for days, saddens me his type of knowledge doesn't get passed down to today's generation probably the root of a lot of the issues we are seeing.
 
It is very much a tribute. And the 8th Air Force series I believe has finished filming so it should be out in a year or so (there will be a lot of special effects since they only used 2 real B17s.
I have not heard about the 8th Air Force series. Who is doing it?

And today's CGI, etc. is so good I would rather they not risk the few remaining B17s.
 
I have not heard about the 8th Air Force series. Who is doing it?

And today's CGI, etc. is so good I would rather they not risk the few remaining B17s.
Wow - I cannot wait for this!

 

Nice, I love sitting and listening to stories from guys like these. Heroes.
 
I have not heard about the 8th Air Force series. Who is doing it?

And today's CGI, etc. is so good I would rather they not risk the few remaining B17s.
Hanks and Spielberg are producing, it is based on The Masters of the Air, which it carries that name at times. But now is Mighty Eighth. HBO started with it but I think Apple now owns it.
 
My 92 year old Great Uncle sat with us on the 4th reflecting on everything from WW2 and his enlistment to the Navy at 17 after dropping out of high school to the 1937 Flood in the southern part of the state. His stories were amazing and his memory was unbelievable, I told him he should write a book. Said one of his greatest memories was meeting Jackie Robinson and getting to speak with him for over 10 minutes, oh and playing in the old Boston Garden when he was on the Navy's traveling basketball team.

I could have listened for days, saddens me his type of knowledge doesn't get passed down to today's generation probably the root of a lot of the issues we are seeing.
Please be the one who takes the time and makes the effort to record him and his stories. I missed the opportunity with a friend who is in the Sprint Car HOF. His career involved many who became Icons of the Indy 500...and the stories were incredible...he and I talked about a book, but he passed quickly when he became ill.

A missed golden opportunity..
 
Hanks and Spielberg are producing, it is based on The Masters of the Air, which it carries that name at times. But now is Mighty Eighth. HBO started with it but I think Apple now owns it.
If it’s half as good as 60’s hit “12 O’clock High“, it will be worth the time.
8th Army Air Force Air Crews faced one of the biggest meat grinders of WW II‘s war of attrition.
I still catch “Memphis Belle” when it’s aired.
 
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If it’s half as good as 60’s hit “12 O’clock High“, it will be worth the time.
8th Army Air Force Air Crews faced one of the biggest meat grinders of WW II‘s war of attrition.
I still catch “Memphis Belle” when it’s aired.
12 O'clock High is such a great movie, with no combat seen. And the series was well worth watching.

I have incredible hopes, BoB and The Pacific were great.

And Hanks is also doing another Greyhound.
 
If it’s half as good as 60’s hit “12 O’clock High“, it will be worth the time.
8th Army Air Force Air Crews faced one of the biggest meat grinders of WW II‘s war of attrition.
I still catch “Memphis Belle” when it’s aired.
The bombing of Dresden should have resulted in war crimes trials.
 
Probably shouldn’t have happened but war crimes?

Nonsense.
McNamara said if we lost the war he would have faced war crimes for the civilian bombings in Japan.

A lot of American pilots had to be forced into the Dresden mission, they did not want to fly it.
 
McNamara said if we lost the war he would have faced war crimes for the civilian bombings in Japan.

A lot of American pilots had to be forced into the Dresden mission, they did not want to fly it.
What do you mean forced? I would have assumed soldiers in that generation always said “yes sir”.
 
McNamara said if we lost the war he would have faced war crimes for the civilian bombings in Japan.

A lot of American pilots had to be forced into the Dresden mission, they did not want to fly it.
Where did you come up with this? It may be true, but I never heard about it.
 
The bombing of Dresden should have resulted in war crimes trials.
Winners seldom convene war crime extravaganzas on themselves.

Tokyo may of had an even stronger case, than Dresden.

I think it’s clear, it wouldn’t be tolerated today.

Willy Pete is prohibited now.
 
Where did you come up with this? It may be true, but I never heard about it.
It was Berlin and Doolittle who protested up:

Doolittle argued that such an attack on the cityc enter of Berlin would essentially mean that the Eighth
Air Force would use the Royal Air Force doctrine ofa rea bombing, which would result in massive civilianc asualties and potential accusations of terror tactics. As
Richard Davis quotes, Doolittle appealed to Spaatz’shumanity, asserting that “We will, in what may be one of our last and best remembered operations regardless
of its effectiveness, violate the basic American principle of precision bombing of targets of strictly military significance for which our tactics were designed and our
crews trained and indoctrinated”


It also happened on a larger scale with Tokyo:

The crew members were brought in and asked if they objected to firebombing the cities of Japan. A number of people raised their hands. But the order came down: “Well, that’s your opinion, but the orders are you’re going to go on the mission.”


We fired LeMay's predecessor attacking Japan because he refused to go in with the low level flights, in the Bomber Mafia book the idea of precision high level bombing was something the officers in the USAAF before WW2 took as gospel.
 
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It was Berlin and Doolittle who protested up:

Doolittle argued that such an attack on the cityc enter of Berlin would essentially mean that the Eighth
Air Force would use the Royal Air Force doctrine ofa rea bombing, which would result in massive civilianc asualties and potential accusations of terror tactics. As
Richard Davis quotes, Doolittle appealed to Spaatz’shumanity, asserting that “We will, in what may be one of our last and best remembered operations regardless
of its effectiveness, violate the basic American principle of precision bombing of targets of strictly military significance for which our tactics were designed and our
crews trained and indoctrinated”


It also happened on a larger scale with Tokyo:

The crew members were brought in and asked if they objected to firebombing the cities of Japan. A number of people raised their hands. But the order came down: “Well, that’s your opinion, but the orders are you’re going to go on the mission.”


We fired LeMay's predecessor attacking Japan because he refused to go in with the low level flights, in the Bomber Mafia book the idea of precision high level bombing was something the officers in the USAAF before WW2 took as gospel.
Surprised Doolittle objected to bombing Berlin.
 
It was Berlin and Doolittle who protested up:

Doolittle argued that such an attack on the cityc enter of Berlin would essentially mean that the Eighth
Air Force would use the Royal Air Force doctrine ofa rea bombing, which would result in massive civilianc asualties and potential accusations of terror tactics. As
Richard Davis quotes, Doolittle appealed to Spaatz’shumanity, asserting that “We will, in what may be one of our last and best remembered operations regardless
of its effectiveness, violate the basic American principle of precision bombing of targets of strictly military significance for which our tactics were designed and our
crews trained and indoctrinated”


It also happened on a larger scale with Tokyo:

The crew members were brought in and asked if they objected to firebombing the cities of Japan. A number of people raised their hands. But the order came down: “Well, that’s your opinion, but the orders are you’re going to go on the mission.”


We fired LeMay's predecessor attacking Japan because he refused to go in with the low level flights, in the Bomber Mafia book the idea of precision high level bombing was something the officers in the USAAF before WW2 took as gospel.
Malcolm Gladwell has a great podcast series on LeMay er al.
 
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Probably shouldn’t have happened but war crimes?

Nonsense.
It is certainly not nonsense.

Dresden had little if any value as a military target.

Thousands of civilians had fled other areas for refuge in Dresden..and were defenseless against the firebombing...

It was murder, and terrorism.
 
It is certainly not nonsense.

Dresden had little if any value as a military target.

Thousands of civilians had fled other areas for refuge in Dresden..and were defenseless against the firebombing...

It was murder, and terrorism.
According to the German high command itself in 1944, Dresden had 127 medium to large size factories supplying the army with material.

To say the city had no value to the Wehrmacht is just flat out wrong.
 
The bombing of Dresden should have resulted in war crimes trials.
Years ago my son and I toured a restored B-17 and got an autographed picture from the pilot of the of a WW II B-17. A few years later the movie about the Belle came out and we realized the pilot we met was the Captain of the BELLE.
 
It is certainly not nonsense.

Dresden had little if any value as a military target.

Thousands of civilians had fled other areas for refuge in Dresden..and were defenseless against the firebombing...

It was murder, and terrorism.

Do you feel the same about the Japanese firebombing attacks?
 
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I admit I am uncomfortable with the civilian targeting. There was something about our daylight precision (such as it was) bombing that I find honorable.

That said, the biggest failure to the terror bombing was it did not work. Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked saving hundreds of thousands of lives. So while civilian terror bombing, they are different in my mind. But there is a logic problem with that thinking I freely recognize.

If Dresden was a war crime, so was Guernica, Rotterdam, and Coventry. But retaliating to Nazi atrocities with atrocities is way too low morality.

Had we lost, yes, we would have been subject to war crimes for Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima. But victors largely get to write the rules.
 
I admit I am uncomfortable with the civilian targeting. There was something about our daylight precision (such as it was) bombing that I find honorable.

That said, the biggest failure to the terror bombing was it did not work. Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked saving hundreds of thousands of lives. So while civilian terror bombing, they are different in my mind. But there is a logic problem with that thinking I freely recognize.

If Dresden was a war crime, so was Guernica, Rotterdam, and Coventry. But retaliating to Nazi atrocities with atrocities is way too low morality.

Had we lost, yes, we would have been subject to war crimes for Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima. But victors largely get to write the rules.
I don't know about that - were any German or Japanese pilots tried for war crimes?

Top level, yes. But not pilots.
 
I don't know about that - were any German or Japanese pilots tried for war crimes?

Top level, yes. But not pilots.
Correct, not the pilots that I am aware. Rotterdam was destroyed after it surrendered but Kesselring refused to recall the bombers as he was "following orders" and he wasn't even charged.
 
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12 O'clock High is such a great movie, with no combat seen. And the series was well worth watching.

I have incredible hopes, BoB and The Pacific were great.

And Hanks is also doing another Greyhound.
if You haven’t visited this museum, add it to your bucket list.

 
if You haven’t visited this museum, add it to your bucket list.

Man, I drive by that entrance on my way to Florida and I think every time I need to stop there.

I guess I need to make it a point to stop in.
 
If it’s half as good as 60’s hit “12 O’clock High“, it will be worth the time.
8th Army Air Force Air Crews faced one of the biggest meat grinders of WW II‘s war of attrition.
I still catch “Memphis Belle” when it’s aired.

Was that a spin off of the movie from 1949 w Gregory Peck?
 
It is certainly not nonsense.

Dresden had little if any value as a military target.

Thousands of civilians had fled other areas for refuge in Dresden..and were defenseless against the firebombing...

It was murder, and terrorism.

Sometimes I wonder if Hitler is still alive
 
12 O'clock High is such a great movie, with no combat seen. And the series was well worth watching.

I have incredible hopes, BoB and The Pacific were great.

And Hanks is also doing another Greyhound.
Didn't 12 O'clock high have actual war footage in its scenes? I thought I remember the one where the B17 was in a tailspin and they were counting the number of guys who had parachuted out - and it was real.

12 O'clock High and The Best Years of Our Lives are my two favorite WWII movies. Best Years is probably my favorite movie of all time. Maybe tied with Schindler's List.

I can't call Band of Brothers or The Pacific movies, but they're in a league of their own.

I knew guys who had been in Vietnam who had to leave the theater during Platoon.
 
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