I'd love to see him stay healthy and lead this team for 13 games. History says that won't happen though.
Ramsey named Starting QB
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He gives us a legitimate shot just by not throwing it to the other guys...
I like it and it doesn't surprise me at all.
I like it and it doesn't surprise me at all.
Also, even if Ramsey stays healthy, we are still going to see Dawkins/Penix in some capacity. Allen said all 3 would play. How heavily they will be rotated in remains to be seen. I predominantly expect that they will be used situationally, but Dawkins I think will at some point get more of an extended shot to see how much his running ability elevates his performance from practice where that is limited.
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while Ramsey is listed as the starter now, I think both Dawkins and Penix with more practice could get more comfortable with the offense and the team, and find a groove that might allow them to over take Ramsey as the season moves along
That is my "gut" as well, however, if Ramsey's arm is stronger...if he can throw a bit more downfield*...his decision-making being what it is (very good, IMO)...it's tough not to have as heady a player as him on the field.
*Our OL and running game can do a lot to make this more achievable as well.
ha I am waiting for someones response that was certain Dawkins was the guy. 
And overall, I'm not too hung up on who is playing QB, as that is way down the list of things that will make or break the season. 1 and 2 are OL and LBs, a distant 3rd is probably replacing production and having depth in the secondary. If we still have issues in those areas, then it really doesn't matter who the QB is.
I would guess that Dawkins gets a number of opportunities throughout the game in short yardage situations.
I'm good with this decision to start the season. PR did a decent job last year when he was healthy despite his lack of experience. Dawkins will be next man up if PR can not move the team and will see snaps from game one. Maybe red zone opportunities.. Ultimately, Pennix will be the guy by next year. Doubt if he will appear in more than 4 games unless we have major injury situation.
No surprise though, honestly. Supposedly his arm strength & passing ability have improved. Forgive me for being skeptical, but we shall see.
I agree, but we need QB to be solid too. In addition to the things you listed. This is why everyone besides IU fans are picking us 6th & 7th in the division, well not everyone, but most. It can be done, but it's not going to be easy, & probably not likely. Hoping to be wrong about that.
I’m hoping the staff is just giving Dawkins/Penix some more time to learn the offense. We should be able to win the first 3 with PR just managing the game and not making mistakes. But hopefully we have someone more dynamic by the MSU game.
Not surprised. I’m rooting for him. Ideally he absolutely dominates and leads IU to a 12-0 record. I will say I’m most interested to see Penix. He’s the QB of the future more than likely.
Kids can improve. And hopefully PR has...fpeaugh is correct in his assessment (IMHO)...last year Ramsey demonstrated good decision making, moxie, guts, etc. He just didn't have the arm...he just didn't.
Maybe his throwing game is "up"...if it's up and he's our starter...then fan-flipping-tastic...if he's warming a seat until Dawkings or Penix "get their chops"...well it's less than ideal...but a luxury to have a veteran at the helm while the talent catches up.
I have to admit I would've been super-happy to see him supplanted by one of the new guys. It would have told me that the QB play is elevated from the first snap.
Can't wait for FIU. Can't wait to see this team.
Go Hoosiers!
Peyton manning was not a better athlete than a Penix or Dawkins, but he was a film nit, a FB junkie and honed his craft.
Surprised people can’t be open to idea Peyton Ramsey has similar work habits, is very furry and actually a mobile athlete.
It’s not like he has stayed static since last year. He’s Putnam on probably 10-12 lbs of strength, he too is a member of the 22 mph club, and he’s a film rat too.
When I’ve seen some of those MSU, PSU & Wiscy QB’s, many have seemed to be just “winners” more so than elite stud athletes.
I believe Ramsey has some of that kind of potential and may be being sold short. If he has time to throw, with healthy Hale & Westbrook, plus more balanced run threat this season, he could be really good. I watched some of those practices clips and love the way he led the ball to receivers to catch it in stride.
And again, after a season of Lagow who had no mobility and threw an awful lot of picks, it will be amazing to see what can be done if we drop int rate by 50%?
Give him a chance to thrive!
Surprised people can’t be open to idea Peyton Ramsey has similar work habits, is very furry and actually a mobile athlete.
It’s not like he has stayed static since last year. He’s Putnam on probably 10-12 lbs of strength, he too is a member of the 22 mph club, and he’s a film rat too.
When I’ve seen some of those MSU, PSU & Wiscy QB’s, many have seemed to be just “winners” more so than elite stud athletes.
I believe Ramsey has some of that kind of potential and may be being sold short. If he has time to throw, with healthy Hale & Westbrook, plus more balanced run threat this season, he could be really good. I watched some of those practices clips and love the way he led the ball to receivers to catch it in stride.
And again, after a season of Lagow who had no mobility and threw an awful lot of picks, it will be amazing to see what can be done if we drop int rate by 50%?
Give him a chance to thrive!
I'm a bit surprised, but am fine with this. Ramsey, in 2017, showed a lot of poise and [mostly] good decision-making despite an ineffective OL and 300 pound guys in his face all afternoon long.
And I still believe Dawkins will be making major contributions during the season. We've only got him for a year, and he's too good of an athlete to simply ride the bench. He adds another dimension that I'm sure the coaches plan to exploit.
And I still believe Dawkins will be making major contributions during the season. We've only got him for a year, and he's too good of an athlete to simply ride the bench. He adds another dimension that I'm sure the coaches plan to exploit.
Peyton Manning is a helluva athlete with tremendous physical tools and capabilities. Yes he had tremendous work ethic and all the other things you mentioned...but he wasn't first chair oboe in orchestra when he turned his attention to athletics and simply out worked everyone...
Conversely...people say stuff like this about Michael Jordan. Tremendous athlete...blah, blah, blah...
I'd bet a dollar to donuts that MJ worked as hard if not harder than his college and NBA contemporaries
Point is: MJ and Peyton had gifts...and legendary work ethics...I love everything about Ramsey...but you do him a disservice in your post...
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Agree kids can improve...Last years version of Ramsey...no thanks, however, that was a 1st year starter. He might have improved enough to surprise many of us and I hope thats the case.
Knowledge=Confidence=Playing Fast. He knows the offense, has a year under his belt, and all the reports are the OL should be much improved. You give this kid some time in the pocket and who knows he might be able to launch a few downfield. We will have to wait and see.
I’m sure the coaches thought Dawkins would be a difference maker early on, but obviously they haven’t seen that from him. We’ll see what Ramsey can do.
You know who else "throws like a girl?" Philip Rivers...how's that worked out for him?
I'll give you a hint:
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I'll give you a hint:
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I think some of you guys were watching a different IU team than I was last year. Complaints about his arm? He completed 65% of his passes. He may not be as good a runner as Dawkins, but he's got good speed, and Dawkins isn't that good of a passer. I've noticed several comments from the coaches about Dawkins needing to "get the rust out". Penix is a great athlete, but he's just out of high school. When Ramsey was healthy, he was very good. Not surprised in the least that he was named the starter.
He was all we had...Prolly 90% of his passes were in the flat, or a few yards downfield therefore the high completion rate. We were 85th in the nation on 3rd down percentage stats. How many times did we throw underneath and not make a first? Too many times...
But how much of that was a byproduct of a poor running game putting us behind the chains and poor pass blocking giving our quarterbacks no time to throw? I agree with you, but Peyton doesn't deserve all the responsibility for that IMO.
I think PR will thrive if we have an average running game. All signs lead to an improved run game. Good depth at RB. If we can make defenses respect the run game then we can have some success with play action and PR can run a little and then get down. He obviously was the best at moving the chains in practice. He had us right there at MSU and home with Mich. He needs some help from the OL.
This will be very interesting to watch play out. Ramsey is the game one starter, I seriously doubt he is anything beyond that.
I hope for the program's sake that he has a brilliant game. If he does that, we are looking at the starter going forward. If he struggles in the opener, he may get yanked at halftime.
My biggest concern about PR is his arm strength. He simply has not proven that he has a deep ball worth respecting, it's that simple. Man, I hope that changes quickly!
I hope for the program's sake that he has a brilliant game. If he does that, we are looking at the starter going forward. If he struggles in the opener, he may get yanked at halftime.
My biggest concern about PR is his arm strength. He simply has not proven that he has a deep ball worth respecting, it's that simple. Man, I hope that changes quickly!
Yup. Not even a deep ball...(I may not have the right definition for deep.) Extend the D...be a threat beyond the sticks...did not see this last year...(not a data guy...so correct me if I'm wrong.)
Hopefully with improved line play and a year under his belt knowing the offense we can be much more productive in those situations.
His yards per attempt, per completion and overall qb rating last year were not exactly great. He’s not been a chain mover so far, but hopefully he’ll improve. With what is expected to be a modest running game, he will need to.
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I have to admit, I was wary of CTA, at first. But, I am slowly learning to trust him, his judgement and his football acumen. If he says Ramsey's arm is up to the task, I'm willing to trust him.
I am disappointed in Dawkins’ fumble-itis bug he seemed to have contracted in fall camp. I wouldn’t start somebody who is turnover prone until they get that out of their system. Take care of the football. They put all three in pressure situations and two of the kids showed a propensity to fumble snaps and make dangerous throws. What would you do as a coach? Dawkins will play. If Ramsey underperforms you can be sure that he’ll be out.
