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QAnon is the new Teaparty

Then let us tackle the Obama question. Progressives were very angry with Obama's immigration policy. It was far from any concept of "open immigration".

Catch and release was a huge step towards open immigration. Obama's immigration policy largely focused on the wants and desires of the immigrant, not on Uncle Sam's needs for specified immigrants. Trump is trying to refocus our policy in that regard.
 
The GOP was a party of free trade and open immigration when I was coming up.

Trump is a closed trade, anti immigrant position.

What are you?

I would say I am fairly open to immigration that is controlled as opposed to the open border, walk across method we had seen quite an increase in. The type that the Koch brothers supported because hey...cheap labor. I believe we should control our border and our immigration much like almost every other developed country in the world does.

As far as trade, I am for fair and free trade. I think you have to emphasize the former before you can have the latter. In the case of China, I don't believe we truly have either. So economic strings get pulled.

I think that you have to have a little give and take with your political beliefs. I tend to generally believe that the best path is to run a more traditionally "conservative" course, however, I believe that path can be adjusted when matters call for it. You cannot really run a country without some flexibility in political dogma.
 
There is a Q Anon crank that will likely win a Georgia house seat.

The House always needs a few nutters. Makes America interesting.
No likely about it; she's now unopposed because her opponent got served divorce papers and moved back to live with his parents in Indiana. Marjorie Taylor-Green in the 14th district . . . northwest Georgia, from Dallas (part of the far western edges of the Atlanta metro area) up towards Chattanooga.

There's been a fair amount of Klan and far right militia group activity out there. Here's a memory for some: https://www.northwestgeorgianews.co...cle_fd12cdb0-4dba-11e5-b106-4fba53b4b64f.html.

All that plus her opponent's move out of state have left many of us wondering whether there are other reasons for the divorce and his move.
 
4 in 10 Republicans think QAnon is good for the country. This is getting concerning.

 
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Reply All has a really good podcast episode on the origins of QAnon and who is behind it.
 
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This is an organization that the FBI classifies as a domestic terror threat. And here is the GOP strategy to court QAnon quacks to vote for them. Disgusting.
In apparent play for QAnon supporters, GOP attack ads claim Democrat lawmakers are defending 'sex offenders'

 
Catch and release was a huge step towards open immigration. Obama's immigration policy largely focused on the wants and desires of the immigrant, not on Uncle Sam's needs for specified immigrants. Trump is trying to refocus our policy in that regard.

Wants and needs of the immigrant? Lol

I remember when the Republican party took the advice of actual economists. Capitalism requires a young and growing population to grow (see Japan). Countries with debt-heavy governments need the same (see pretty much every country in the world). Our population growth has completely flattened. So who is going to make up the base of the pyramid now? Luckily, despite Prez Good Genes, the US is still a good place to be an immigrant. Presidents in the near future — of either party — will gladly turn the spigot back on. Yes, it makes sense to control who is entering your country but it’s just more White Nationalist politics to blame them for crime and stealing jobs. Shit, non-citizens pay social security and Medicare taxes and don’t even get the benefits. But, whatever, let’s demonize the Other and see where it gets us...
 
I was at a golf scramble at the Air Force Academy last year and this old guy in the group ahead of ours was wearing a Trump hat with a QAnon shirt. He was obnoxious and a terrible golfer. I really wanted to ask him a few questions but it's hard to communicate with that level of delusion.

There’s nothing worse at a golf event than a left wing millennial wearing his golf hat backwards, hitting shitty shots and saying “I never play this bad”. Lol.
 
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This is an organization that the FBI classifies as a domestic terror threat. And here is the GOP strategy to court QAnon quacks to vote for them. Disgusting.
In apparent play for QAnon supporters, GOP attack ads claim Democrat lawmakers are defending 'sex offenders'

The QAnon conspiracy theory has been deemed a domestic terrorist threat, but it's not accurate to refer to it as an "organization." It's really certain QAnon believers that are potential terrorist threats. But there is no organization behind it, at least insofar as anyone knows. See podcast above for one of the more likely explanations of its origins and who is behind it.
 
The QAnon conspiracy theory has been deemed a domestic terrorist threat, but it's not accurate to refer to it as an "organization." It's really certain QAnon believers that are potential terrorist threats. But there is no organization behind it, at least insofar as anyone knows. See podcast above for one of the more likely explanations of its origins and who is behind it.

Good correction. I made the same mistake that people make about Antifa. It is also not an organization but rather an ideology.
 
Wants and needs of the immigrant? Lol

I remember when the Republican party took the advice of actual economists. Capitalism requires a young and growing population to grow (see Japan). Countries with debt-heavy governments need the same (see pretty much every country in the world). Our population growth has completely flattened. So who is going to make up the base of the pyramid now? Luckily, despite Prez Good Genes, the US is still a good place to be an immigrant. Presidents in the near future — of either party — will gladly turn the spigot back on. Yes, it makes sense to control who is entering your country but it’s just more White Nationalist politics to blame them for crime and stealing jobs. Shit, non-citizens pay social security and Medicare taxes and don’t even get the benefits. But, whatever, let’s demonize the Other and see where it gets us...

When you pick out a portion of my post to respond to you’ll always Look silly.
 
The QAnon conspiracy theory has been deemed a domestic terrorist threat, but it's not accurate to refer to it as an "organization." It's really certain QAnon believers that are potential terrorist threats. But there is no organization behind it, at least insofar as anyone knows. See podcast above for one of the more likely explanations of its origins and who is behind it.
You'd think QAnon believers would have a hard time attacking things since their eyes don't seem to focus on the same point in space. Depth perception has to be a problem when you're o_O.
 
When you pick out a portion of my post to respond to you’ll always Look silly.

Silly was saying Obama practiced catch and release immigration with zero evidence or understanding. Politics based on feelz got us a White Nationalist prez. Let’s aim for better.
 
The US was never an "open immigration" country under any president until Obama. We always had controls and strong border enforcement. Trump has always supported legal immigration of the kind that supports our interests. That is our historical position.

USMCA took effect yesterday. Trade is mostly only inhibited with China. I think you would agree China is a special circumstance. Trump has aggressively pursued many bi-lateral and multi-lateral trade deals. Hell, he even tried to pry open the NK market. He still might do that.

Where do you come up with this crap? Obama didn't have open immigration. He went after immigrants with criminal records and immigrants that illegally crossed recently.

Looking at the chart, I am missing this dip in deportations that you liars claim happened under Obama. That doesn't appear to be "open borders"
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Where do you come up with this crap? Obama didn't have open immigration. He went after immigrants with criminal records and immigrants that illegally crossed recently.

Looking at the chart, I am missing this dip in deportations that you liars claim happened under Obama. That doesn't appear to be "open borders"
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Obama for all practical purposes eliminated border apprehensions. Expelling all the recent illegal entrants became technically deportations under his policy.
 
whatever helps you sleep at night but just trying to twist the truth. he deported too. not an open border policy like you tried to claim.
 
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Good correction. I made the same mistake that people make about Antifa. It is also not an organization but rather an ideology.

I would say the same about BLM. I know there are organizations that have formed under that slogan, but in my opinion that's unfortunate because it has led people to the assumption that these organizations are behind every protest. That's not the case.
 
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They started on 4chan and believe an insider is giving them secret messages. Pizzagate was their baby. They also believe JFK jr is still alive and the head of a secret group along with Trump that are hunting down a deep state pedo ring, and that Obama is a clone, and the real Obama was beheaded at Gitmo after admitting he's was a muslim. This is generally accompanied by MAGA-bation fantasies of him crying and begging for his life..

It's fan fiction rube porn. With a lot of subscribers. Some of their less fantastic rhetoric is posted here by the usual suspects.



*republican
I've also seen speculation that the insider or the whole founder of this craziness is Trump or someone close to him. - like one of his sons.
I have zero idea how likely that is, but given that it paints him as some sort of heroic savior, it's not totally out of the realm of possibility.
 
While Republicans are told to beware of socialists, Antifa and BLM protestors, a few truly crazy humans are running for Congress as Republicans. These nutters are QAnon and, as far as I can understand their lunacy, believe that Trump is some sort of god like being who will be putting a bunch of Democrat pedophiles in Gitmo. I tried learning a bit more about these loons awhile ago and just couldn’t. So congratulations to my GOP board buddies. These are yours to claim.

Every once in a while, these groups take care of their own paranoia:

 
The US was never an "open immigration" country under any president until Obama. We always had controls and strong border enforcement. Trump has always supported legal immigration of the kind that supports our interests. That is our historical position.

USMCA took effect yesterday. Trade is mostly only inhibited with China. I think you would agree China is a special circumstance. Trump has aggressively pursued many bi-lateral and multi-lateral trade deals. Hell, he even tried to pry open the NK market. He still might do that.
Always strict control? Nope.

 
Obama for all practical purposes eliminated border apprehensions. Expelling all the recent illegal entrants became technically deportations under his policy.
That is complete nonsense.
Until January of 2019, southwest border apprehensions and inadmissibles under Trump from February 2017 - Dec. 2019 (first 23 months of Trump administration) were LOWER than they were under the last 23 months of the Obama administration: 889.8 million vs. 1095.8 million. Starting in January of 2019, apprehensions did increase by a little more than 2X, but faded at the end of FY 2019. (Also, 56% of apprehensions in 2019 were of family units - more than double the previous year - indicating that the increased apprehensions are not necessarily the result of increased enforcement efforts.)

And what about FY 2020? Apprehensions have gone back DOWN to less than they were under Obama.

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As for deportations, overall, Trump is lower than Obama there as well.

 
That is complete nonsense.
Until January of 2019, southwest border apprehensions and inadmissibles under Trump from February 2017 - Dec. 2019 (first 23 months of Trump administration) were LOWER than they were under the last 23 months of the Obama administration: 889.8 million vs. 1095.8 million. Starting in January of 2019, apprehensions did increase by a little more than 2X, but faded at the end of FY 2019. (Also, 56% of apprehensions in 2019 were of family units - more than double the previous year - indicating that the increased apprehensions are not necessarily the result of increased enforcement efforts.)

And what about FY 2020? Apprehensions have gone back DOWN to less than they were under Obama.

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As for deportations, overall, Trump is lower than Obama there as well.


But Trump built a great wall that stopped illegal immigration and he even made mexico pay for it...If he had gotten the wall money sooner, then maybe his wall would have stopped the covid planes coming from China lol
 
But Trump built a great wall that stopped illegal immigration and he even made mexico pay for it...If he had gotten the wall money sooner, then maybe his wall would have stopped the covid planes coming from China lol
Ahhh...forgot about that. The Trump Wall™ must be why apprehensions have dropped so much in 2020. No one can get in, so there's no one to apprehend! ;)
 
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On the Q-Anon matter, I’ve seen some friends and extended family fall into that hole. One thing I will note is that the first “warning sign” for Q-curiosity is a social media fixation on child predators. Each person I know who is now a “Q” began with a noticeable shift in their social media posts from normal topics (puppies, vacation pics, sports, normal politics) to a near fixation on matters related to child endangerment/predation. It’s a very sad development that has ensnared some otherwise reasonable people. The worst of it is it’s tendency to leverage otherwise healthy pro-social commitments (children’s safety) in order to distort their entire worldview and replace it with these unhinged narratives.
 
Ahhh...forgot about that. The Trump Wall™ must be why apprehensions have dropped so much in 2020. No one can get in, so there's no one to apprehend! ;)

Also Mexico began stopping caravans at its Southern border and Trump started his Remain in Mexico policy. He also made agreements with Guatemala and El Salvador.
 
That is complete nonsense.
Until January of 2019, southwest border apprehensions and inadmissibles under Trump from February 2017 - Dec. 2019 (first 23 months of Trump administration) were LOWER than they were under the last 23 months of the Obama administration: 889.8 million vs. 1095.8 million. Starting in January of 2019, apprehensions did increase by a little more than 2X, but faded at the end of FY 2019. (Also, 56% of apprehensions in 2019 were of family units - more than double the previous year - indicating that the increased apprehensions are not necessarily the result of increased enforcement efforts.)

And what about FY 2020? Apprehensions have gone back DOWN to less than they were under Obama.

SWB%20Stats.png


As for deportations, overall, Trump is lower than Obama there as well.


We cant determine nonsense without knowing the number of attempts through the caravans that Obama encouraged and Trump discouraged.
 
We cant determine nonsense without knowing the number of attempts through the caravans that Obama encouraged and Trump discouraged.
To the extent I can even comprehend the point your are trying to make, do you really think that a bunch of immigrant caravans just waltzed right into the U.S. when Obama was President?
And, given that those caravans were largely a thing in 2017 and 2018, with Trump's threats and actions (as well as actions in Mexico and Central America) to try to stop the caravans not happening until Oct. of 2018, one would have thought that apprehensions would have been sky high in 2017-2018, and then drop in 2019 when Trump's actions, Mexico's "Estás en tu casa" program really took hold.
But, the reality is that apprehensions were at their LOWEST in the middle of the caravan parade (2017) - right AFTER Trump took over, and did not rise significantly until January of 2019.
 
While Republicans are told to beware of socialists, Antifa and BLM protestors, a few truly crazy humans are running for Congress as Republicans. These nutters are QAnon and, as far as I can understand their lunacy, believe that Trump is some sort of god like being who will be putting a bunch of Democrat pedophiles in Gitmo. I tried learning a bit more about these loons awhile ago and just couldn’t. So congratulations to my GOP board buddies. These are yours to claim.

Just because it is relevant, which of these are "Republicans".
 
Reply All has a really good podcast episode on the origins of QAnon and who is behind it.

Thanks for this. Always needing some hour long podcast material when I walk the dog at night.

I haven't been able to get into my usual IU bball podcasts with the election drama.

Anyway thanks!
 
Thanks for this. Always needing some hour long podcast material when I walk the dog at night.

I haven't been able to get into my usual IU bball podcasts with the election drama.

Anyway thanks!
Reply All is a great podcast. Enjoy!
 
To the extent I can even comprehend the point your are trying to make, do you really think that a bunch of immigrant caravans just waltzed right into the U.S. when Obama was President?
And, given that those caravans were largely a thing in 2017 and 2018, with Trump's threats and actions (as well as actions in Mexico and Central America) to try to stop the caravans not happening until Oct. of 2018, one would have thought that apprehensions would have been sky high in 2017-2018, and then drop in 2019 when Trump's actions, Mexico's "Estás en tu casa" program really took hold.
But, the reality is that apprehensions were at their LOWEST in the middle of the caravan parade (2017) - right AFTER Trump took over, and did not rise significantly until January of 2019.


I dunno what the issue is. I said border apprehensions dropped dramatically under Obama to which you said "nonsense". My statement is objectively true.

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I dunno what the issue is. I said border apprehensions dropped dramatically under Obama to which you said "nonsense". My statement is objectively true.

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Actually, you said “Obama for all practical purposes eliminated border apprehensions.” You also suggested Obama had “open immigration.” Neither of those statements is true, especially when you consider that Trump has not significantly increased apprehensions if at all.
 
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