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And the useful GOP idiots all sing along:

On Thursday morning, in what was meant to be the powerful culminating moment of the hearings, [Dr. Fiona] Hill gave a searing statement to Republican members of the panel about the big lie behind Trump’s demand that Ukraine investigate its own alleged intervention in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, an obsession of the President’s because he hoped to disprove the massive Russian interference on his behalf in that campaign. Trump and his defenders, she made clear, are simply trafficking in Russian-fuelled conspiracy theories. It is a “fictional narrative,” Hill told the committee calmly and authoritatively, a hoax “perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves.” What’s more, Russia’s sweeping effort has been confirmed by the U.S. intelligence community, as well as by Congress and the very Intelligence Committee holding the hearing. “The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016,” Hill, who served as Trump’s top National Security Council expert on Russia until she announced her resignation, in July, said. “It is beyond dispute.”

Republicans, though, chose to dispute it. They had accepted this fact in the past, but now it was politically inconvenient for the President. Trump did not want to believe it, and so Republicans wouldn’t, either. If anyone thought that Hill’s stirring insistence on the facts would have any effect, that notion was quickly dispelled. By 11:23 a.m., the Trump campaign had sent out a “rapid response” to its e-mail list, with the subject heading “Ukrainian election interference.” It was a two-sentence missive, introducing a new conspiracy linking the House Intelligence Committee’s chairman, Adam Schiff, to the one that Hill had just so eloquently debunked. “There’s a simple reason Adam Schiff wants to deny Ukraine interfered in U.S. politics,” the e-mail said. “He was willing to collude with them.”

For hours afterward, Republicans on the panel dismissed Hill. Some of them yelled at her. Some of them refused to ask her any direct questions. Some made false equivalences between Russia’s massive state-sanctioned campaign in 2016 and Ukrainian expressions of dismay that Trump publicly backed the country with which they are at war and employed as his campaign chair a man who had worked for their ousted corrupt, Russian-backed leader. Confronted after the hearing with Hill’s unequivocal statement that Ukraine had not interfered in the U.S. election, the House Minority Leader, Kevin McCarthy, a man who once mocked Trump for being in the pocket of Vladimir Putin, simply refused to accept it. “I think they did,” he told reporters. On Friday morning, Trump called in to “Fox & Friends” and repeated the Russian conspiracy theory about Ukraine all over again on live TV.

The denial was telling. If Republicans were now willing to disavow a fact they had previously acknowledged, it seemed more and more apparent that they could not be swayed by any of the actual evidence against Trump. On Wednesday, Sondland told the committee that Trump had personally directed him to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to force Ukraine’s hand on the investigations, leveraging a White House meeting sought by Ukraine’s new President. “Was there a quid pro quo?” Sondland testified. “The answer is yes.” But many committee Republicans simply twisted that statement around, repeating Trump’s misleading words to Sondland that there had been “no quid pro,” as if the President’s denial were the only proof needed of his innocence. As Thursday’s hearing wound down, Will Hurd, a retiring Texas representative who was once seen as a possible Republican vote for impeachment, used his questioning time not to engage with Hill but to announce that he saw “no evidence” of impeachable offenses. There was no one left to persuade, at least in the House of Representatives. It was a surprisingly definitive moment.
Needless to say, Putin is quite pleased:

MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin says he’s pleased that the “political battles” in Washington have put on the back-burner accusations that Russia interfered in U.S. elections.

“Thank God,” he told an economic forum in the Russian capital on Wednesday, “no one is accusing us of interfering in the U.S. elections anymore; now they’re accusing Ukraine.”
George Orwell explained this Republican way of thinking in his dystopic novel 1984:

The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. . . . He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions — 'the Party says the Earth is flat', 'the Party says that ice is heavier than water' — and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them.

. . .
Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
People who'd rather not live in an Orwellian novel should not vote Republican.


 
I’m just happy we have Trump as president. One of the benefits is it upsets smug idiots like yourself. Couldn’t make me happier.
 
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And the useful GOP idiots all sing along:

On Thursday morning, in what was meant to be the powerful culminating moment of the hearings, [Dr. Fiona] Hill gave a searing statement to Republican members of the panel about the big lie behind Trump’s demand that Ukraine investigate its own alleged intervention in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, an obsession of the President’s because he hoped to disprove the massive Russian interference on his behalf in that campaign. Trump and his defenders, she made clear, are simply trafficking in Russian-fuelled conspiracy theories. It is a “fictional narrative,” Hill told the committee calmly and authoritatively, a hoax “perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves.” What’s more, Russia’s sweeping effort has been confirmed by the U.S. intelligence community, as well as by Congress and the very Intelligence Committee holding the hearing. “The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016,” Hill, who served as Trump’s top National Security Council expert on Russia until she announced her resignation, in July, said. “It is beyond dispute.”

Republicans, though, chose to dispute it. They had accepted this fact in the past, but now it was politically inconvenient for the President. Trump did not want to believe it, and so Republicans wouldn’t, either. If anyone thought that Hill’s stirring insistence on the facts would have any effect, that notion was quickly dispelled. By 11:23 a.m., the Trump campaign had sent out a “rapid response” to its e-mail list, with the subject heading “Ukrainian election interference.” It was a two-sentence missive, introducing a new conspiracy linking the House Intelligence Committee’s chairman, Adam Schiff, to the one that Hill had just so eloquently debunked. “There’s a simple reason Adam Schiff wants to deny Ukraine interfered in U.S. politics,” the e-mail said. “He was willing to collude with them.”

For hours afterward, Republicans on the panel dismissed Hill. Some of them yelled at her. Some of them refused to ask her any direct questions. Some made false equivalences between Russia’s massive state-sanctioned campaign in 2016 and Ukrainian expressions of dismay that Trump publicly backed the country with which they are at war and employed as his campaign chair a man who had worked for their ousted corrupt, Russian-backed leader. Confronted after the hearing with Hill’s unequivocal statement that Ukraine had not interfered in the U.S. election, the House Minority Leader, Kevin McCarthy, a man who once mocked Trump for being in the pocket of Vladimir Putin, simply refused to accept it. “I think they did,” he told reporters. On Friday morning, Trump called in to “Fox & Friends” and repeated the Russian conspiracy theory about Ukraine all over again on live TV.

The denial was telling. If Republicans were now willing to disavow a fact they had previously acknowledged, it seemed more and more apparent that they could not be swayed by any of the actual evidence against Trump. On Wednesday, Sondland told the committee that Trump had personally directed him to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to force Ukraine’s hand on the investigations, leveraging a White House meeting sought by Ukraine’s new President. “Was there a quid pro quo?” Sondland testified. “The answer is yes.” But many committee Republicans simply twisted that statement around, repeating Trump’s misleading words to Sondland that there had been “no quid pro,” as if the President’s denial were the only proof needed of his innocence. As Thursday’s hearing wound down, Will Hurd, a retiring Texas representative who was once seen as a possible Republican vote for impeachment, used his questioning time not to engage with Hill but to announce that he saw “no evidence” of impeachable offenses. There was no one left to persuade, at least in the House of Representatives. It was a surprisingly definitive moment.
Needless to say, Putin is quite pleased:

MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin says he’s pleased that the “political battles” in Washington have put on the back-burner accusations that Russia interfered in U.S. elections.

“Thank God,” he told an economic forum in the Russian capital on Wednesday, “no one is accusing us of interfering in the U.S. elections anymore; now they’re accusing Ukraine.”
George Orwell explained this Republican way of thinking in his dystopic novel 1984:

The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. . . . He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions — 'the Party says the Earth is flat', 'the Party says that ice is heavier than water' — and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them.

. . .
Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
People who'd rather not live in an Orwellian novel should not vote Republican.

Americans have always had this nativist strain produced by sheer terror. The Know Nothing Party were simply put, people scared of foreigners and Catholics. During the Civil War we had draft riots caused by the fear that if we freed the blacks they would move north and get ahead of dome of us whites in the social order.

We began immigration quotas for no other reason than Chinese started coming to America. The nativist were afraid and wanted to withdraw from the world after WW2, so Ike personally prevented by that by running as a Republican. In the 60s and 70s, they were called John Birchers and hung "Get US out of UN" banners. Finally Trump managed to give their terrified hearts power.

Trump was able to rally all the terrified white males who think it is their birthrate to lead simply because they are white males who aspire to live in some drunken fraternity. They do not trust they actually can earn their place in America. So Trump does his job and dismantled everything that tries to level the playing field.

In doing so, they destroy that bond back to a Lincoln who stood up to nativist, to Ike who saw it his personal duty to keep the US engaged In the world, to Reagan who was a firm believer in international trade.

Simply put, the fear of Trump supporters finally won out over the courage of what used to be mainstream Republicans. At the bottom of this link,is a radio address by Reagan, I see strength and courage in it. Compare that to the sniveling whining of "we just can't compete with other countries or immigrants".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-demagogues-trade-war/

Americans became cowards and voted Trump because taking your ball and going home is what those people do. So Yes, Putin has a damn good reason to be happy. With America walking home, carrying its ball and crying how unfair other countries are, Russia becomes a much bigger player in the world. As does China.

Does anyone here want to argue "what would Ike do"? The real Republicans should form a 3rd party using Romney, Kasich, and others. It will be far easier to build a Republican party than erase the image of crying Donny walking away with his ball tucked under his arm.
 
Growing up in the 80s, it’s astounding to me to see a Republican Party so in the bag for Russia. If Reagan rose from the dead, he would be completely flabbergasted. While we don’t yet know the exact reason, I believe their is something there explaining Trumps behavior. But the entirety on the party? That is one I simply cannot understand.
 
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I love posts like this it shows just how blindly stupid Republicans are these days. Pathetic examples of human beings.
Nah. My posts just further proves how bad people like yourself really are. And I mean honestly bad people. But, it’s because of POS’s like yourself why we have Trump.
 
Growing up in the 80s, it’s astounding to me to see a Republican Party so in the bag for Russia. If Reagan rose from the dead, he would be completely flabbergasted. While we don’t yet know the exact reason, I believe their is something there explaining Trumps behavior. But the entirety on the party? That is one I simply cannot understand.
Still on the Russia kick, huh?

RUSSIA! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Lol.
 
Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.
 
Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.
Putin hated Hillary personally and had been working against her for years. Of course they were going to hedge their bets, because even they didn’t think they’d be able to do enough to convince Americans to vote for a man like Trump. But irregardless of that, I think the main concern is what has happened afterwards and how none of the GOP will stand up against Trump and his blind obedience to Putin.
 
Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.

And I posted a link elsewhere that the Russians tweeted 10-1 in favor of Trump. So it was hardly even which is your implication. Did the Russians force a member of Trump's campaign to go to Wikileaks? Did the Russians force Trump himself to thank them for their help and ask for them to look for more embarrassing info on Clinton?
 
I’m just happy we have Trump as president. One of the benefits is it upsets smug idiots like yourself. Couldn’t make me happier.

So how are you feeling about the leaks reporting that Trump is not happy with the IG's report? Were you one of those somehow thinking it was going to blister people like Comey,McCabe,and Strzok which it doesn't do. Instead, the "criminal referral" is for an obscure ex-FBI lawyer named Clinesmith for altering a document. Findings that the Russia Investigation and the FISA warrant on Page were all justified...

Trump's going to try and spin it, but it completely repudiates his claim that the FBI targeted him for political reasons. So much winning for Team Trump and his allies...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/politics/russia-investigation-inspector-general-report.html
 
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The fact that Trump and other Republicans continue to go on television and blast these conspiracies is mind boggling. Trump is stupid enough to believe them. The others know them to be false, but they just think their base is stupid enough to believe them. And sadly, many are.
 
And anyone that doesn’t think Putin had plenty of things to leak on Trump isn’t living in reality. I’d be willing to bet RNC servers were hacked too, but they chose not to release those. But even if not, one doesn’t have to dig too deep to find Trump dirt. My guess is there are other GOO involved too, as we found out about Nunes.
 
Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.

Sounds like Horrowitz's report disagrees with your final paragraph...


"The much-anticipated report due out Dec. 9 from Inspector General Michael Horowitz will allege that a low-level FBI lawyer inappropriately altered a document that was used during the process to renew a controversial warrant for electronic surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser, the officials said. The inspector general referred that finding to U.S. Attorney John Durham, and the lawyer involved is being investigated criminally for possibly making a false statement, they said.

The Justice Department inspector general faults low-level FBI lawyer for altering document

But Horowitz will conclude that the application still had a proper legal and factual basis, and, more broadly, that FBI officials did not act improperly in opening the Russia investigation, according to the officials, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive report."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...2f51de-0d48-11ea-97ac-a7ccc8dd1ebc_story.html
 
The fact that Trump and other Republicans continue to go on television and blast these conspiracies is mind boggling. Trump is stupid enough to believe them. The others know them to be false, but they just think their base is stupid enough to believe them. And sadly, many are.
Says the idiot house mom who pushed the Russian collusion hoax for three years. May just want to pipe down when trying to grill others on “conspiracy theories.”
 
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Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.
You genuinely are deplorable.
 
Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.

People liked this unhinged rant? I know things are tough for the Party of Trump these days, but it appears things are close tho the breaking point.
 
Blindly stupid...let's be clear about what else Ms. Hill had to say that blinkered partisans like Rockfish choose to ignore:

The goal of the Russians was really to put whoever became the president, by trying to tip their hands on one side of the scale, under a cloud,” she said.

“They seed misinformation, they seed doubt, they have everybody questioning the legitimacy of a presidential candidate, be it President Trump or potentially President [Hillary] Clinton, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other,” she said.


The Russians essentially bet on both sides, hoping whoever won the presidential election in 2016 “would also experience some discomfort, that they would be beholden to them in some way, that they would create just the kind of chaos that we've seen in our politics.” And she warned against giving the Russians “more fodder that they can use against us in 2020.” Hill said continued efforts to paint Trump's 2016 win as illegitimate played into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands.
Which side was it that has been pushing this "election was rigged" theory for 2 years? Very respectfully, every single one of you with this deplorable Republican sh-t can politely f-ck right off if you were at any time pushing the narrative that Ms. Hill speaks of. Furthermore, you divisive ass holes on this thread and the party you follow continue to advance these fake ass narratives and conspiracy theory bull sh-t on a daily basis. First it was the Russians, that did not work so it becomes the Ukrainians, all the while ignoring that the Steele dossier was Russian Intel and Hillary's campaign was all up in Ukraine's ass trying to get a leg up in the election. There was talk of a "Resistance" before Trump even took the oath of office and promises of impeachment. You all think you are so smart, calling for ending the electoral college, stuffing the Supreme Court (all things that your new flavor of the month the oh so smug Mayor of South Bend has endorsed), lurching from investigation to investigation with impeachment seeking a charge, all of you morons are the useful idiots of the Russians.

So again, this "deplorable" would like to extend his middle finger in your direction.
The only reason anyone is talking about packing the court is because Mitch stole a seat. But I bet you were fine with that. Of course people were talking about impeaching before he was even sworn in. Everyone with half a brain cell knew he was a criminal and that he wouldn’t suddenly change his ways at the age of 70. He’s actually much stupider and much more corrupt than even the most skeptical of us could have expected. And the only reason he’s getting away with making us an international laughingstock is people like you who rationalize away his actions. I’m glad I’ll be on the right side of history when this era is looked back on. The how did America let this happen tale will be discussed for decades.
 
You genuinely are deplorable.
Bumper stickers currently available. It isn't that we disagree with each other...really, on the issues we don't. Rather the real operative fact of our times is the degree to which we simply hate each other. Of course that hatred is itself the product of marketing and propaganda by those who actually disagree with almost ALL of us on the issues. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/negative-partisanship-explains-everything-215534
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The only reason anyone is talking about packing the court is because Mitch stole a seat. But I bet you were fine with that. Of course people were talking about impeaching before he was even sworn in. Everyone with half a brain cell knew he was a criminal and that he wouldn’t suddenly change his ways at the age of 70. He’s actually much stupider and much more corrupt than even the most skeptical of us could have expected. And the only reason he’s getting away with making us an international laughingstock is people like you who rationalize away his actions. I’m glad I’ll be on the right side of history when this era is looked back on. The how did America let this happen tale will be discussed for decades.
Mitch didn’t steal a seat. He was following precedent. How triggered are you gonna be with RBG leaves and we put another conservative justice on the bench? Lol.

I don’t know about you, but I’m so happy Brett Kavanaugh is on the bench. This good man was wrongfully accused and proven innocent.
 
Nah. My posts just further proves how bad people like yourself really are. And I mean honestly bad people. But, it’s because of POS’s like yourself why we have Trump.
Yeah that makes sense
 
The important point we have reached is that both Trump and the entire GOP are now actively colluding with Putin. Putin's authoritarian ethnic nationalism is consonant with their own political objectives here. The deeper truth is that the postwar consensus that united both parties prior to Trump is rapidly disappearing before our eyes. Nato, Free Europe, democracies are Trump and the GOP's enemies.
 
The important point we have reached is that both Trump and the entire GOP are now actively colluding with Putin. Putin's authoritarian ethnic nationalism is consonant with their own political objectives here. The deeper truth is that the postwar consensus that united both parties prior to Trump is rapidly disappearing before our eyes. Nato, Free Europe, democracies are Trump and the GOP's enemies.
That seems objectively deplorable to me.
 
Bumper stickers currently available. It isn't that we disagree with each other...really, on the issues we don't. Rather the real operative fact of our times is the degree to which we simply hate each other. Of course that hatred is itself the product of marketing and propaganda by those who actually disagree with almost ALL of us on the issues. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/negative-partisanship-explains-everything-215534
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The dictionary definition of “deplorable” is “deserving strong condemnation.” It requires no hatred to hang that word on a not-racist spouting Russian disinformation in support of a corrupt unfit disloyal cartoon character while giving libs the finger.
 
The dictionary definition of “deplorable” is “deserving strong condemnation.” It requires no hatred to hang that word on a not-racist spouting Russian disinformation in support of a corrupt unfit disloyal cartoon character while giving libs the finger.
Well, objectively speaking, trying to shame people into better behavior doesn't work all that often and always produces the impulse on their part to raise a middle finger.

I totally concur that everyone should stop voting for the GOP until this anti-democratic ethno-nationalist affinity for dictators is disappeared. I recommend this behavior as worthwhile for all of us and in our individual and collective interests.
 
Well, objectively speaking, trying to shame people into better behavior doesn't work all that often and always produces the impulse on their part to raise a middle finger.

I totally concur that everyone should stop voting for the GOP until this anti-democratic ethno-nationalist affinity for dictators is disappeared. I recommend this behavior as worthwhile for all of us and in our individual and collective interests.
I’m not trying to shame the Trumpbots. They’re beyond shame. I’m just a guy on the internets making objectively correct points.
 
I’m not trying to shame the Trumpbots. They’re beyond shame. I’m just a guy on the internets making objectively correct points.
moral claims are, in my opinion, never objectively correct. Logical/mathematical claims can be objectively correct, empirical claims can have more or less strong support but moral claims can only be asserted.
 
I’m not trying to shame the Trumpbots. They’re beyond shame. I’m just a guy on the internets making objectively correct points.
You seem insecure. My guess is it’s your own failures in life leading to you lashing out at random people on the internet.
 
Growing up in the 80s, it’s astounding to me to see a Republican Party so in the bag for Russia. If Reagan rose from the dead, he would be completely flabbergasted. While we don’t yet know the exact reason, I believe their is something there explaining Trumps behavior. But the entirety on the party? That is one I simply cannot understand.


"it's good that you're backing Putin Donald, it's real good.

that's a real, real, good thing you did there, isn't it everybody"

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Trump conferring with GOP leadership and his national security team at a White House strategy session..
 
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I’m just happy we have Trump as president. One of the benefits is it upsets smug idiots like yourself. Couldn’t make me happier.
But Trump has offered no proposals for two years to improve things he specifically has claimed he is working on.

Healthcare
Drug prices
More tax cuts/tax reforms.
Lower gun violence
Highways and infrastructure

Trump's attacks don't make your world any better. Is that why you voted for him, to attack?
 
Which also seems objectively deplorable.
And evangelical pastor says that Trump's opponents are "satanic"
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelica...ic-says-president-messing-satans-plan-1471298
I think he means us.
I have watched on twitter as folks like Max Boot respond...
"I prefer to be known as the spawn of satan".

I mention this because there seems to be a natural reaction to moral fingerpointing which is to effectively celebrate the label as Boot does. It is just a pretty human response.
 
But Trump has offered no proposals for two years to improve things he specifically has claimed he is working on.

Healthcare
Drug prices
More tax cuts/tax reforms.
Lower gun violence
Highways and infrastructure

Trump's attacks don't make your world any better. Is that why you voted for him, to attack?
Nope. But he’s done a host of other things that he said he would when he was running for president. Plus, with how far left the Dems have gone, there isn’t a chance in hell I would vote for any of them.
 
And evangelical pastor says that Trump's opponents are "satanic"
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelica...ic-says-president-messing-satans-plan-1471298
I think he means us.
I have watched on twitter as folks like Max Boot respond...
"I prefer to be known as the spawn of satan".

I mention this because there seems to be a natural reaction to moral fingerpointing which is to effectively celebrate the label as Boot does. It is just a pretty human response.
It’s a wonder how they managed to be small before there were people like me to blame for it.
 
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