purdue game questions

[iubhounds]

I'm having a hard time figuring this game out. I'm glad that I am not placing a bet on it. We all know that Hackey Arena is a different feel for away games. A few 'great' IU teams have lost there. Last year was a disaster starting with HMP's arrest 24 hours earlier. I don't watch hardly any PUke basketball unless they are playing IU but have caught short segments of games this year.

I am not using it as an excuse but I think a factor will be how the game is ref'd. Will the foul be called on IU's layups or end up as "no calls' or legit blocks? How much of purdue's D will be able to grab, hold, forearm check or hack and get away with it. I know the 'new rules' these past two years has hurt purdue's 'agressive' defense.

Will purdue be unconscious from the 3 point line for the first time this year and hit a high percentage of 3's?
Will purdue's D play it's normal weak D against the 3?
Who will guard Rapheal Davis?
Who will have the big game for purdue ... such as an out of body experience, never to play that well again this year?
Will mattyboy go small to match IU's lineup or feed his 7'ers in the lane?

I think if both teams play their normal statistical game ... IU wins 80s to 70s
If purdue D's the 3, forces turnovers and hits their 3's ... it will get ugly, similar to last year.

I can't tell if it will be a close game down to the wire or a blowout game for either team.

my puke game blog post

 

[bsmitty08]

Heart says IU but head say PU. We will struggle defensively and they will guard the arc and force us to drive at there two trees.

 

[simongarf1]

Sounds about right....trouble since they have two bigs to throw at us. Funny thing is Iowa killed PU on the boards last Saturday....just no sure how we will stop their bigs on defense.

 

[IU Scott]

Iowa has alot of size as well


and their big's are more athletic than Purdue's

 

[bsmitty08]

Iowa starts 3 guys 6'9 and above. Then brings another off the bench.

 

[IU Scott]

Olesani(?)

had like 15 rebs with 11 of them on the offensive end coming off the bench

 

[simongarf1]

Didn't say we were going to duplicate what Iowa did....just pointing out that Purdue's bigs did not dominate the boards. There are rebounds to be had with effort, blocking out and positioning.

 

[iubhounds]

But Iowa starts a 7'1 - 6'9 - 6'10

I would certainly hope Iowa killed them on the boards Saturday...they start 6'10 Gabriel Olaseni, 7'1 Adam Woodbury and 6'9 Aaron White.....plus 6'8 Jarrod Uthoff.

Uthoff may be the starter instead of Olaseni...not sure.

That is a little different than what IU starts on the frontline.

This post was edited on 1/27 2:12 PM by iubhounds

 

[simongarf1]

Re: But Iowa starts a 7'1 - 6'9 - 6'10


White was injured and Woodbury in foul trouble most the game. Olaseni did most of the damage ...

 

[IU Scott]

Uthoff


starts

 

[tjreese]

ref "may" be huge? Will it be called for big boys or more touch?

called tight all over...edge to IU
let them play more...edge Purdue
call it tight on perimeter and let them play inside...edge IU
let them guard outside and call it tight inside...edge Purdue

Purdue wants a game where defense is a factor. IU wants to play horse and shoot Ft's

perimeter shooting key for both...IU has many shooters if a couple are off...purdue does not
IU will probably try to get Willimas ball on high post to drive. Out farther, Purdue may help on dribble since he doesn't seem to give it up. Purdue will try to gap Yogi if 3 defenders are close ...probably not help on Yogi as he will find the open spot. If IU places 5 beyond the arc..Purdue cannot guard them with Haas or Hammons...unless Willimas or Holt is on the court.

IU will probably play a lot of zone...feeds tempo Purdue wants if they can score. IU will thrash around inside trying to get calls against Hammons and Haas on Offense. IU could trap or press to try to speed up tempo? Offensive efficiency is crucial for Purdue as missed bunnies and then more perimeter shooting with long bounces feeds IU. will IU guards with off hand when dribbling flail to draw attention to close proximity of defender due to emphasis as of last two years?

I think it is easier to coach from Crean's chair than Painter's due to rule emphasis of two years ago. Big guys for Purdue cannot guard in space...IU can double down on big guys and possibly beat a few down the court.

If cold shooting for both teams...advantage to Purdue. If hot shooting for both...advantage IU

IU plays from the outside in and Purdue from the inside out. Iu can take a close game and blow it open in two minutes. Purdue can hit dry spells for several minutes.

Earlier in teh year when Purdue was playing some zone...I saw this game as one to use some zone since IU isn't really a post play team the zone could extend and reduce some of the space to cover. today, I see a some switching by some Purdue players...and by a lot if mot all the players "if" Haas or Hammons are not playing..

for most of our lives I would give the edge to Purdue between these two teams, but with the rule emphasis to a more offensive game two years ago I give the edge to IU. When IU shot close to 70% for the three against Maryland?...that would have resulted in more points than possible for the same shots taken if only two points were awarded.

Those old enough to have seen quite a few games...know nothing will surprise us. That was quick...IU doesn't seem to get rattled for the youngsters playing. Hartman, Yogi and blackman understand this game as does Davis, Thompson, Stephens,Scott, Smotherman and Hammons. This is a game that Taylor and Simpson could really be valuable for Purdue...whoever wins and whoever loses there is at least one more meeting and many or other games that add to the total wins in the Big...

 

[bsmitty08]

Re: ref "may" be huge? Will it be called for big boys or more touch?


Why are the rule emphasis only an issue for PU? Its called the same for both teams and all teams in the country.

 

[mike41703]

Who is Simpson?

"This is a game that Taylor and Simpson could really be valuable for Purdue..."

 

[tjreese]

had the heart condition that prevented him from playing

Painter thought he was the most talented player he had last year and certainly one of the more skillful...6'10" that lost some weight and was getting in good shape and then went down. Feel for any athlete that has that much potential, but he is alive and that is more important.

 

[tjreese]

I thought you were involved in coaching at Tipton?

Do I really need to spell out how certain rule interpretations hurt one team more than another...especially when all rules are subjective? Really? Tell you what...Let Purdue guard them like the 1975/1976 teams of IU and see if you complain. IU does not want a get dirty game and Purdue wants to embrace the physicality of the game.. Aren't you involved in coaching at tipton or is that someone else? If you like the way the game is called today...that is your opinion, but I saw four people from IU last year run away from a person driving so they wouldn't get called for a foul and I think THAT is horrible,

I cut my teeth on The Butler Way back in 1961 and until the last couple of years teams could guard the other team....better than today.

Sooooo, if you still don't get it...let's have a blood bath all over the court and see who that favors? THAT wouldn't be right either. I just don't want fouls that have no effect on anything or fouls for breathing to close to get called. Now...aren't you helping Brad at tipton?

 

[bsmitty08]

Re: I thought you were involved in coaching at Tipton?


I prefer games not to be in the 50's and 60's like PU. My point is that the rules are the same for everyone in the country and PU is not the only program who claims to play defense. Virginia, Lousiville, Duke, UK are all great defensive teams and officiating hasn't hampered them. Also no you are thinking of my brother...

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

Re: I thought you were involved in coaching at Tipton?

What's different is that IU is a drive and dish team. Most of your offense is on the dribble. That leads to a lot of tricky tack fouls on the perimeter. Purdue is a team with set plays that feed the post a lot. We aren't going to get the nickel dimers on the perimeter. The bad thing with the new rule changes is how differently its called on the perimeter as opposed to the post. Haas and Hammons get killed in the post, but nothing is called. If the same contact was out on the perimeter, it would be called all the time. That's how its different for different teams. The new rules help smaller, perimeter oriented teams, and they hurt the more traditional teams.

 

[bsmitty08]

Re: I thought you were involved in coaching at Tipton?


I understand the difference, my point is it seems other "traditional" teams have adapted to the rules.

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

Re: I thought you were involved in coaching at Tipton?

What do you considered "adapted" to it? A top 5 team? If that's the case, then I guess a fair question is why hasn't IU "adapted" to it?

 

[tjreese]

then you won't complain if the refs swallow the whistles?

...and in a few years...it probably won't bother Purdue other than to diminish the game to a fraction of what it once was. Any purist can see how the game is today, few are purists...

Offense used to be half the game...and your brother's AD could tell him how I pushed the D...before horse....

 

[chris007]

Yes will they call the hand check when Yogi has the ball or not

that will be huge. For one of the better players in the conference he doesn't seem to get many calls.

 

[tjreese]

the hand check doesn't bother me as much as

players "dribbling" and in many cases jumping into defenders and waiting for the refs to bail them out. If a player is actually altering physically (not acting as such) a player's shot or affecting a scoring play that is a concern. If a person touches or hand checks...it is not something I prefer to see called, but can live with that being called. It is the fouls called on dribbling while ignoring all teh other areas of the games. I don't see much change in shooting fouls...not a whole lot inside changed..a slight shift to more blocking fouls than years ago and the screening fouls are less away from the ball since there are fewer off ball screens than a few years ago.

The big change are the fouls called while dribbling...which increases scoring...which the casual fan likes and helps pay the bills for the expansion of the athletic budgets. I think it will swing back some in a year or two...but it is what it is today...

We must remember that the shot clock took out a lot of coaching and that was for the casual fans that don't appreciate so many other phases of the game either.

Pretty soon we might as well have the three point shooting and dunk contests ...

 

[bsmitty08]

Re: the hand check doesn't bother me as much as

My brother's AD is my AD as well. I coach at Tipton just different sport. And korey says there is no D in Shoot! Lol. Listen I hate ticky tack fouls but I also hate when guys get mugged and no call is made. I also think the officiatif has hurt the BIG over all. Games are called so differently at home and away for teams and makes it very difficult to win on road. Good teams find away but it has hurt the Conferences seeding come tourney time.

This post was edited on 1/27 5:17 PM by bsmitty08

 

[tjreese]

That is "Kory Reese Fernung"

Notice his middle name...

truth is, the foul situation needed cleaning up...no problem with me, but the pendulum has swung way too far the other direction. Also understand that Kory average 31.8 his senior year and he had the green light. If the three point line was in effect back then ...we still might be playing as we averaged about 85 points and 7 turnovers...

I don't want the mugging, but I want to include half the game...

Kory will tell you that although I worked with him on his shot and such...I stressed D

...and Brad was a very good players as well...

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Very simple

If Painter is allowed to play hack-a-Hoosier again this year then they have a huge advantage. If they call it close he may be in deep trouble quickly as the game will hinge IMO on Williams ability to work the baseline.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

Re: Iowa has alot of size as well

I'd agree with the exception of Woodbury. He is stiff and not very athletic with a poor vertical jump. The others are athletic big guys though.

Originally posted by IU Scott:

and their big's are more athletic than Purdue's

 

[kkott]

so to summarize:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!


I've never seen a fanbase complain so much about refs as PU. The (cow) chip on some Boiler's shoulders is Bunyonesque (Babe The Blue Ox?). BSmitty is right, Louisville plays as physical a D as any team going now, except for UVA maybe, and has somehow adapted. same with Duke and UK. The NCAA has "points of emphasis" every year, and it's up to coaches to determine how much it will be called and impact their team and adjust accordingly. I'd agree, they are calling hand checks and grabs tighter now, but as long as it's called the same both ways, it's fair and can hurt or benefit each team equally based on how they play.

This post was edited on 1/28 8:47 AM by kkott

 

[baileyiu]

Tricky tack fouls? You got to be kidding - when a player starts to drive

and is bumped that is not ticky tack. In the post, lack of calls is always the advantage to the bigger, stronger player - big men on offense foul as much if not more than the defensive player.

pu is known as a grab & hack team as the typically lack the foot speed to defend with their feet and body.