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Hospice is for anyone with a terminal illness of 6 months or less. They can go on and off the program if warranted. It's 100% covered by medicare. These are benefits we pay for and deserve. Don't hesitate to use them.
Those dying people are all "takers". We need to be all about the "makers".We need to get our fiscal house in order and give more tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. Maybe we can cut this down to 3 months or less instead of 6. We'll reign in spending and, I mean, they're gonna die anyways. What I'm talking about is putting power and choice back in the hands of the American people.
Those dying people are all "takers". We need to be all about the "makers".
Those dying people are all "takers". We need to be all about the "makers".
We need to get our fiscal house in order and give more tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. Maybe we can cut this down to 3 months or less instead of 6. We'll reign in spending and, I mean, they're gonna die anyways. What I'm talking about is putting power and choice back in the hands of the American people.
Even with your stupid snarks, you guys have managed to stumble on to a point with discussing.* Coincidentally, former governor Dick "duty to die" Lamm is retiring and the Denver Post had a piece about him today.
Pull quote:
As he [Lamm] puts it to me on a recent visit to his Denver home, medical ethics lack lateral vision. “When I look at the literature, and there are such things as $93,000 prostate operations at some stage of prostate cancer that might give two extra months of life, it is outrageous.”Seriously, as we seem to be on an irreversible path toward public payment for all health care; all the modulating influences, like insurance contracts and family finances, on the limits of care are morphed into public policy and public budgets. Maybe you think this is a good idea. I have my doubts. In any event, a "duty to die" kind of discussion is necessary and inevitable.
He’s writing a paper with the working title: “Is There a Conflict Between Medical Ethics and Ethical Public Policy?”
“It seems to me that medical ethics drives too much marginal spending,” he says. And that spending is piling on the debt for the next generation, which leads us to another of Lamm’s obsessions.
*A blind squirrel . . . . .well you know.
Interesting that you couch the "moderating (surely you meant that instead of modulating) influences" in purely financial terms. Once again, it all boils down to who can afford the care.Seriously, as we seem to be on an irreversible path toward public payment for all health care; all the modulating influences, like insurance contracts and family finances, on the limits of care are morphed into public policy and public budgets.
Sorry to hear it. My dad stroked and getting him into hospice care was delayed as well due to my mom's inability to face reality. My dad suffered longer than he should have. We do the best we can.I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it.
Very sorry for your loss. Are you sure you want this deleted?I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
Interesting that you couch the "moderating (surely you meant that instead of modulating) influences" in purely financial terms. Once again, it all boils down to who can afford the care.
I'm fully on board with limiting the amount of care and extraordinary measures taken at the end of life merely to increase the length of life without regard to cost and quality. But I sure as hell don't know how that would work in practice. Rationing? Death panels? Too bad those terms have become politicized to the point they can't even be discussed.
I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
TFO was Director of Hospice services for the VNA for a number of years. Your story happens all to often. Doctors wait to refer to hospice, and caregivers wait to take advantage of the service. Many view it as a decision to die rather than as a recognition that it is going to happen.I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
Until such time as the decision to die is viewed as something to be embraced instead of shunned, needless suffering -- and expense -- will be the rule.Many view it as a decision to die rather than as a recognition that it is going to happen.
I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
Well that is something hard to face. My wife just recently had to make that decision and like you she probably waited too long.Sorry to hear it. My dad stroked and getting him into hospice care was delayed as well due to my mom's inability to face reality. My dad suffered longer than he should have. We do the best we can.
Well that is something hard to face. My wife just recently had to make that decision and like you she probably waited too long.
Well that is something hard to face. My wife just recently had to make that decision and like you she probably waited too long.
I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
Sorry for your loss, my Dad died of dementia, luckily he was at home where he wanted to be.I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.
My mom died with dementia, but not from it. It made her last years needlessly difficult for all concerned, and for her most of all. At the end she was a vacant shell.Sorry for your loss, my Dad died of dementia, luckily he was at home where he wanted to be.
I am so sorry that's terrible.I started this thread and will end it. My Dad died. It was prolonged Alzheimzer's. We waited too long for hospice. That's it. COH I wish you no harm. Goat or mods delete this thread. Thanks.