Pretty much what most thought (JG)

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IU basketball: Jordan Geronimo “working on my guard skills” to expand role in junior season

With Trayce Jackson-Davis and Race Thompson back, and promising 5-star freshman Malik Reneau on board, minutes won’t be easy to come by in Indiana’s frontcourt. Junior forward Jordan Ge…

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[IU FAN IN W. NC]

Love this kind of talk and attitude. Love JG

 

[Jssanto]

I have always hoped he could be a three.
My fantasy dream he is a 2.

 

[TomEric4756]

Bobby Wilkerson was a 2.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Bobby Wilkerson was a 2.

and Quinn was a 1.

neither could shoot.

our elite shooting was at the forwards on those teams, and Benson was a scorer at the 5.

the game has changed.

i think much of that change has been the rules. ie 3 point shot, jump stop on the 2nd step not being traveling, (done to minimize ankle sprains i think on that one), dropping/fumbling the ball and picking it up not counting as a dribble, taking a step after catching a pass not being traveling..

and just as much or more so, on just not calling floor violations any more.

palming, travel, 3 steps off the dribble, all happen literally every possession now. even multiple times every possession often.

we see big guys playing out on floor now we didn't in the past, because they would have been called for floor violations all the time then, but now aren't.

 

[kkott]

and Quinn was a 1.

neither could shoot.

our elite shooting was at the forwards on those teams, and Benson was a scorer at the 5.

the game has changed.

i think much of that change has been the rules. ie 3 point shot, jump stop on the 2nd step not being traveling, (done to minimize ankle sprains i think on that one), dropping/fumbling the ball and picking it up not counting as a dribble, taking a step after catching a pass not being traveling..

and just as much or more so, on just not calling floor violations any more.

palming, travel, 3 steps off the dribble, all happen literally every possession now. even multiple times every possession often.

we see big guys playing out on floor now we didn't in the past, because they would have been called for floor violations all the time then, but now aren't.

you guys are going back 45 years! It's a different game today Bro!

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

you guys are going back 45 years bro! It's a different game today Bro!

sure is...if we haven't learned anything over the past 10 yrs, it's this- if you can't shoot from the perimeter, you're not going to win as many games as your fan base expects you to win.

Go watch an old game on the B1G network from the early 80s...watching the ball on the perimeter, guys looking to enter into the post, not even looking at the rim. No shot clock, no sense of urgency, no panic, no chucking up a contested 20 footer. The lane was packed full of big guys. Now it's often 5 out. It feels weird just watching the old games. That's actually era I played in, but it looks strange watching it today.

 

[kkott]

sure is...if we haven't learned anything over the past 10 yrs, it's this- if you can't shoot from the perimeter, you're not going to win as many games as your fan base expects you to win.

Go watch an old game on the B1G network from the early 80s...watching the ball on the perimeter, guys looking to enter into the post, not even looking at the rim. No shot clock, no sense of urgency, no panic, no chucking up a contested 20 footer. The lane was packed full of big guys. Now it's often 5 out. It feels weird just watching the old games. That's actually era I played in, but it looks strange watching it today.

Me too, and I don't totally like it, but it is very different. Maybe it's because I was never a great shooter and was a "scrapper" but you've got to have shooters on the floor. NBA teams seem to be able to live with 1 non-shooter as a screener, rebounder, rim protector, but they want their perimeter players and 4s generally to be able to shoot.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

what we also have to realize with the pro game today, is that while the NBA was lax on traveling and palming back in the day, calling floor violations out on the floor is almost non existent today in the NBA.

this has allowed bigs who couldn't play out on the floor in the past because they couldn't handle the ball well enough, to do so today because floor violations are no longer called.

this has led to there being 4 guys who can play way above the rim on one team being on the court at the same time.

meaning 4 guys per team on the floor at once who can also defend the rim like Bill Russell.

tougher to score inside, when the other team has 4 guys who can all defend the rim on the floor at once, thus forcing a bigger percent of the scoring to come from outside..

on a side note though, guys like Drew Timme and Luka Doncic, show having "old guy at the Y" offensive skills inside, still has a place in both college and the pros.

yeah, maybe both can shoot outside, especially Doncic, but inside, they both still go "old guy" skills to score.

 

[kmathum]

Bobby Wilkerson was a 2.

and played the point, brought the ball up court, jumped center and was a smothering defender.

 

[kmathum]

and Quinn was a 1.

neither could shoot.

our elite shooting was at the forwards on those teams, and Benson was a scorer at the 5.

the game has changed.

i think much of that change has been the rules. ie 3 point shot, jump stop on the 2nd step not being traveling, (done to minimize ankle sprains i think on that one), dropping/fumbling the ball and picking it up not counting as a dribble, taking a step after catching a pass not being traveling..

and just as much or more so, on just not calling floor violations any more.

palming, travel, 3 steps off the dribble, all happen literally every possession now. even multiple times every possession often.

we see big guys playing out on floor now we didn't in the past, because they would have been called for floor violations all the time then, but now aren't.

no one could shoot against them either

 

[steelyvan]

Would Quinn see the floor in todays game?

 

[kkott]

Would Quinn see the floor in todays game?

See the floor? Yes, without a doubt. How much would probably depend on the talents of the rest of the roster. If they could get consistent shooting and scoring from other team members, I don't think it would be that different in terms of minutes, but if not and he had a backup that could score and shoot, I'd guess he might see fewer minutes. It seems to me that most teams (NBA or college) can hide at least 1 guy on the floor who isn't a great shooter or scorer if they can provide other benefits like PG/scoring opps for others, or outstanding defense.

Honestly, I think most players of Quinn's talent would also be working on and improving their offensive game, where that wasn't so stressed back in their day maybe and they were more accepting of a non-scoring starter.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Would Quinn see the floor in todays game?

Yeah and all the arguments about why Kopp is playing over others would be repurposed to ask why Buckner gets so much PT.

FWIW, I'm not comparing Kopp to Buckner, just the situation.

 

[MG80]

See the floor? Yes, without a doubt. How much would probably depend on the talents of the rest of the roster. If they could get consistent shooting and scoring from other team members, I don't think it would be that different in terms of minutes, but if not and he had a backup that could score and shoot, I'd guess he might see fewer minutes. It seems to me that most teams (NBA or college) can hide at least 1 guy on the floor who isn't a great shooter or scorer if they can provide other benefits like PG/scoring opps for others, or outstanding defense.

Honestly, I think most players of Quinn's talent would also be working on and improving their offensive game, where that wasn't so stressed back in their day maybe and they were more accepting of a non-scoring starter.

From his Celtics experience, Larry Bird has said that Quinn was the best leader on the court that he has played with.