Penix

[CC Mac]

So I guess it’s safe to say they have taken the redshirt option away?
I know he can play in 4 games but I doubt they would have played him in game 1 if they were considering it but what do I know?

 

[Indianaftw]

At this point I don't care if they red-shirt him or not. He looks way to comfortable and composed. I may be in the minority but he looks fine.

A better question is who are we looking at for a QB this cycle and when can we expect a commit. Most QB's would have chomped at the bit watching our offense Saturday.

 

[Al Bino]

At this point I don't care if they red-shirt him or not. He looks way to comfortable and composed. I may be in the minority but he looks fine.

A better question is who are we looking at for a QB this cycle and when can we expect a commit. Most QB's would have chomped at the bit watching our offense Saturday.

But is a top QB prospect going to want to commit to IU with Penix having the possibility of four more years?

 

[CC Mac]

But is a top QB prospect going to want to commit to IU with Penix having the possibility of four more years?

That’s a good and fair question.

 

[Fro]

The discussion may be moot since I think Penix has the potential to be a guy who leaves early for the NFL after 4 years in college (even if he red-shirted).

 

[travlinhoosier]

Or sooner.

 

[Indianaftw]

But is a top QB prospect going to want to commit to IU with Penix having the possibility of four more years?

I would think a good QB will want to come in and compete. You look at alot of schools and they get a solid QB every cycle

 

[Hoosier009]

So I guess it’s safe to say they have taken the redshirt option away?
I know he can play in 4 games but I doubt they would have played him in game 1 if they were considering it but what do I know?

Yes I think the moment that Dawkins walked the red shirt thoughts went out the door. The only way I would see a red shirt is if he would get injured. Hopefully that will not be the case.

 

[Stlgator2223]

Ask Tronti if he wishes he had stayed or they can pick Michigan or a place like Clemson to watch history repeat itself .When you play QB the best guy plays until he can’t or he gets hurt that simple .Hope kids and their parents start studying the past before jump to QB graveyards.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Doubtful we can redshirt him but I don't think it means anything that he played in game 1.

They would probably want to get him game experience in one of the easier games so he gets that experience before he may or may not be forced into a game of much bigger magnitude. If Penix is forced into a game, better that he have that experience than to be coming with first game jitters.

Plus, maybe they used it as a way to see what they have in Penix and what he needs to work on. Looks like they played a lot of players that first game to see them in action and probably helps get a baseline for where each player is in their development.

 

[Sope Creek]

Yes I think the moment that Dawkins walked the red shirt thoughts went out the door. The only way I would see a red shirt is if he would get injured. Hopefully that will not be the case.

Penix is too good to let languish on the bench. I'd guess he'll get chances against teams that have much better talent than IU has just to give IU a small window of opportunity to win, even if Ramsey becomes an entrenched starter against more pedestrian teams.

I like both of those guys. It's a great situation for IU, in comparison to the last couple of years. And having Reese as insurance - he ain't gonna be red shirted this year, unless he gets hurt - is sweet as well.

 

[Hoosier009]

But is a top QB prospect going to want to commit to IU with Penix having the possibility of four more years?

Yes...Btw injuries, transfers, early entry to NFL or disciplinary issues (Ellison) you will get your shot if you have the talent. I believe all programs need to recruit a quality QB each cycle.

Look at our RB situation we are down are top two RB's as of a couple of weeks ago. I'm fairly confident that Stevie Scott never imagined he would be getting the amount of carries he did during his first college game.

 

[YOTHN]

So I guess it’s safe to say they have taken the redshirt option away?
I know he can play in 4 games but I doubt they would have played him in game 1 if they were considering it but what do I know?

I think they played him in the first game because a live game with no blue jersey on can provide different outcomes. It was obvious to all of us that the battle is pretty close and they want Ramsey to play with the confidence of being THE guy. I think you see a lot of Penix this year just because we have seemingly had our starting QB go down most every year. I think we are better off keeping Penix in the mix as we go on so our season isn't reliant on just one guy. Even if its only for a series or 2 a week.

Here's the reality. If Penix doesn't play much this year, do you think we choose him over an even more seasoned 4th year junior Ramsey next year? How about the next year with 5th year senior Ramsey? Penix will get his share of the workload because that is truly how he will have the opportunity to progress. Nothing will be given to him but both players will have an opportunity to improve.

 

[travlinhoosier]

We should play Penix as needed; who knows how many years we’ll have him.

 

[Larryismyname]

I think they played him in the first game because a live game with no blue jersey on can provide different outcomes. It was obvious to all of us that the battle is pretty close and they want Ramsey to play with the confidence of being THE guy. I think you see a lot of Penix this year just because we have seemingly had our starting QB go down most every year. I think we are better off keeping Penix in the mix as we go on so our season isn't reliant on just one guy. Even if its only for a series or 2 a week.

Here's the reality. If Penix doesn't play much this year, do you think we choose him over an even more seasoned 4th year junior Ramsey next year? How about the next year with 5th year senior Ramsey? Penix will get his share of the workload because that is truly how he will have the opportunity to progress. Nothing will be given to him but both players will have an opportunity to improve.

Penix won’t redshirt and, down the line, his potential is much greater than Ramsey’s.

 

[h20pls]

So I guess it’s safe to say they have taken the redshirt option away?
I know he can play in 4 games but I doubt they would have played him in game 1 if they were considering it but what do I know?

I may be in the minority here...but I expect Penix to be our starter by year's end. If he can learn to make the kinds of decisions that PR makes...he is going to be incredible.

 

[Larryismyname]

I may be in the minority here...but I expect Penix to be our starter by year's end. If he can learn to make the kinds of decisions that PR makes...he is going to be incredible.

I think Ramsey’s ability to stay healthy will be a major issue this season.

 

[IUCol]

If Ramsey stays healthy, Penix will redishirt. Stupid not to do so under those conditions. If an injury to Ramsey comes late in the season after they have used up Penixs 4 games...imo they will go to Reese and save Penix.

And why...why before Penix is a junior would you want another top QB...other than its always nice to have one....to start a controversy???

You know...IU fans have done without for so long...they don't know what to do when they do....vbg

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

"Best man plays"

Yes, trying to redshirt Penix to "stretch out" the amount of future time we have a good QB one way to look at it. Very tempting. "If we can win without playing XYZ, do it."

BUT - a coach needs to win THIS YEAR. He owes it to this team, this staff, this season, to play the best player at every position - put the best team you can on the field every time.

No question that Penix already has shown a superior arm. But arm alone is not enough. He needs to learn the whole playbook, get right with his receivers, learn clock management, etc. Until then Ramsey is the guy who gives us the best overall chance - so he starts.

Plus, as Penix gets better, so will Ramsey.

Gonna be great to watch.

 

[Bowlmania]

If Ramsey stays healthy, Penix will redishirt. Stupid not to do so under those conditions

I don't think you can make that blanket statement. It's critically important that IU wins now. We need to get to a bowl and maintain recruiting momentum. If Ramsey isn't getting it done (and I'd be surprised if that happens but you never know), then you go with the next guy who gives you the best chance to win. That's Penix. There's no point in "saving" him for the future if we need him now. This is particularly true in today's environment, since there's always the possibility that a star player will bolt for the NFL before he's used up his eligibility.

And you can never have too much QB talent on a college football roster. It's an injury-prone position. An abundance of QB talent doesn't have to spell controversy if it's managed well by the staff and expectations are clearly set.

 

[oldcougar77]

I think they played him in the first game because a live game with no blue jersey on can provide different outcomes. It was obvious to all of us that the battle is pretty close and they want Ramsey to play with the confidence of being THE guy. I think you see a lot of Penix this year just because we have seemingly had our starting QB go down most every year. I think we are better off keeping Penix in the mix as we go on so our season isn't reliant on just one guy. Even if its only for a series or 2 a week.

Here's the reality. If Penix doesn't play much this year, do you think we choose him over an even more seasoned 4th year junior Ramsey next year? How about the next year with 5th year senior Ramsey? Penix will get his share of the workload because that is truly how he will have the opportunity to progress. Nothing will be given to him but both players will have an opportunity to improve.

Very good points. If Ramsey were in his third year of eligibility it would make the most sense to try to redshirt Penix and have him for 3 years after Ramsey. As it stands now, if Penix is the real deal he isn't going to be content to wait through this year and two more before he plays.

IMO, better to play both and let them continue to compete. Along the way we hopefully find unique strengths of each and use them accordingly. Hopefully both stay healthy but if not we still have a QB with experience to be "the guy" for the next 3 seasons.

 

[Larryismyname]

Very good points. If Ramsey were in his third year of eligibility it would make the most sense to try to redshirt Penix and have him for 3 years after Ramsey. As it stands now, if Penix is the real deal he isn't going to be content to wait through this year and two more before he plays.

IMO, better to play both and let them continue to compete. Along the way we hopefully find unique strengths of each and use them accordingly. Hopefully both stay healthy but if not we still have a QB with experience to be "the guy" for the next 3 seasons.

The biggest issue you run into is allocating practice time to each of them when the position is shared. With a limited number of hours permissible under the current rules, dividing practice reps can be detrimental to the position.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I don't think you can make that blanket statement. It's critically important that IU wins now. We need to get to a bowl and maintain recruiting momentum. If Ramsey isn't getting it done (and I'd be surprised if that happens but you never know), then you go with the next guy who gives you the best chance to win. That's Penix. There's no point in "saving" him for the future if we need him now. This is particularly true in today's environment, since there's always the possibility that a star player will bolt for the NFL before he's used up his eligibility.

And you can never have too much QB talent on a college football roster. It's an injury-prone position. An abundance of QB talent doesn't have to spell controversy if it's managed well by the staff and expectations are clearly set.

That's the "easy" call.
If Ramsey isn't getting it done, of course you play No. 2 - and that's Penix.

But what if Ramsey IS winning?
Say you're up 28-0 when the 4th quarter starts Saturday night?
Play Penix? Give him some reps? Or play No. 3 and take the risk?
THAT is the hard call.

 

[h20pls]

I think Ramsey’s ability to stay healthy will be a major issue this season.

Injury to a QB is always a threat...I hope Ramsey stays healthy...I think Penix will win the job this year.

 

[IU Scott]

If Ramsey stays healthy, Penix will redishirt. Stupid not to do so under those conditions. If an injury to Ramsey comes late in the season after they have used up Penixs 4 games...imo they will go to Reese and save Penix.

And why...why before Penix is a junior would you want another top QB...other than its always nice to have one....to start a controversy???

You know...IU fans have done without for so long...they don't know what to do when they do....vbg

No way they would put Taylor in instead of Penix because you put your best player in there no matter what.

 

[turney333]

That's the "easy" call.
If Ramsey isn't getting it done, of course you play No. 2 - and that's Penix.

But what if Ramsey IS winning?
Say you're up 28-0 when the 4th quarter starts Saturday night?
Play Penix? Give him some reps? Or play No. 3 and take the risk?
THAT is the hard call.

That is the hard call IF the coaches are still contemplating saving his RS. My guess is that the decision has already been made to burn it so as not to have to waste the time/energy during games going through the mental calculus of such a decision.

The coaches shouldn't be in a position where they hesitate at a decision to play Penix if Ramsey needs to come out in a tight game in the middle of the season.

If Ramsey needs to come out, I want Penix to be as prepared as he possibly can be, so he needs to play whenever possibly regardless of his RS status

 

[Indianaftw]

Anyone see the fsu game last night? I was thinking if Penix was there he would prolly be starting.

 

[IUCol]

Penix has arm strength...that is only one a several critical characteristics for the coaches matrix on who is best. Penix was off on almost every throw he made. Not a lot but one pass could have been intercepted had the back turned around. Ramsey was accurate and tight...looked good.

Why you would not want to put a extra years between Ramsey and Penix? Its kind of an insult to Ramsey, like its 100% guaranteed he will take the job.

I don't see that. I have seen hot shot QBs fizzle out here too many times. IF Ramsey keep winning, Penix will only see spot time from here until Ramsey graduates. Come on...If ...if Ramsey has a great season, Penix can wait. IF he cant wait he is not a team player.

Injury is the real wild card. Ramsey will improve the rest of the season and Penix will chase him. Tough to be a freshman...I dont even like freshmen playing. I believe in education first. But if Ramsey gets hurt, Penix will get his chance. The B10 is tough to start as a freshman...ask Ramsey. Lets hope it doesn't happen and we have Penix for 4 years after this one...imo

 

[Bowlmania]

That's the "easy" call.
If Ramsey isn't getting it done, of course you play No. 2 - and that's Penix.

But what if Ramsey IS winning?
Say you're up 28-0 when the 4th quarter starts Saturday night?
Play Penix? Give him some reps? Or play No. 3 and take the risk?
THAT is the hard call.

I wouldn't want to see either Ramsey or Penix in a game where the outcome is no longer in doubt. We need both those guys healthy and strong for later in the season. In your hypothetical, I'd go with No. 3.

 

[Stlgator2223]

Ask Tronti if he wishes he had stayed or they can pick Michigan or a place like Clemson to watch history repeat itself .When you play QB the best guy plays until he can’t or he gets hurt that simple .Hope kids and their parents start studying the past before jump to QB graveyards.

 

[IUCol]

No way they would put Taylor in instead of Penix because you put your best player in there no matter what.

I said if his 4 games were used up. If we were playing for something that really matter, sure, you go with your best. But under normal circumstances for us? No...no way...total waste for what reason???

All IM advocating is saving his season so we can get 4 more...money in the bank!

 

[IUCol]

Hypothetical for anyone...if Ramsey is having a great season, that iconic 7-8 win season...exactly where do you replace him with Penix? If your answer is often and every chance, are you really just advocating a 2 QB system?? If so, why? When your 1st string QB is winning games now??

Just curious...

 

[fkfootball]

We have to recruit a QB in every class. We need 2 or 3 competent QBs every year.

 

[YOTHN]

I may be in the minority here...but I expect Penix to be our starter by year's end. If he can learn to make the kinds of decisions that PR makes...he is going to be incredible.

If this happens, is it because Ramsey failed, injury or because Penix played so well?

 

[Crimson Crush]

Penix has arm strength...that is only one a several critical characteristics for the coaches matrix on who is best. Penix was off on almost every throw he made. Not a lot but one pass could have been intercepted had the back turned around. Ramsey was accurate and tight...looked good.

Why you would not want to put a extra years between Ramsey and Penix? Its kind of an insult to Ramsey, like its 100% guaranteed he will take the job.

I don't see that. I have seen hot shot QBs fizzle out here too many times. IF Ramsey keep winning, Penix will only see spot time from here until Ramsey graduates. Come on...If ...if Ramsey has a great season, Penix can wait. IF he cant wait he is not a team player.

Injury is the real wild card. Ramsey will improve the rest of the season and Penix will chase him. Tough to be a freshman...I dont even like freshmen playing. I believe in education first. But if Ramsey gets hurt, Penix will get his chance. The B10 is tough to start as a freshman...ask Ramsey. Lets hope it doesn't happen and we have Penix for 4 years after this one...imo

Yeah....we debate arm strength on this board a lot but if you can throw a 25 yard ball accurately, you’ve got enough to move an offense IMO. The Ramsey TD to Hale was on a dime. Ball placement is important. Penix had a long ball to a wide open Timian that was overthrown by 10 yards. You have a QB who can sling it long, need the accuracy too. But, Penix also had some fantastic short throws.

 

[h20pls]

If this happens, is it because Ramsey failed, injury or because Penix played so well?

I believe that Penix will play that well.

I think B1G defenses are going to be geared to "box" us in, shorten the field...making it difficult to run and problematic to complete 5, 10, 15 yard passes such that we can reliably "move the chains"...I think Penix has the arm to lengthen the field a little. Defenses are going to have to respect him a little further down field...

 

[IU Scott]

Penix has arm strength...that is only one a several critical characteristics for the coaches matrix on who is best. Penix was off on almost every throw he made. Not a lot but one pass could have been intercepted had the back turned around. Ramsey was accurate and tight...looked good.

Why you would not want to put a extra years between Ramsey and Penix? Its kind of an insult to Ramsey, like its 100% guaranteed he will take the job.

I don't see that. I have seen hot shot QBs fizzle out here too many times. IF Ramsey keep winning, Penix will only see spot time from here until Ramsey graduates. Come on...If ...if Ramsey has a great season, Penix can wait. IF he cant wait he is not a team player.

Injury is the real wild card. Ramsey will improve the rest of the season and Penix will chase him. Tough to be a freshman...I dont even like freshmen playing. I believe in education first. But if Ramsey gets hurt, Penix will get his chance. The B10 is tough to start as a freshman...ask Ramsey. Lets hope it doesn't happen and we have Penix for 4 years after this one...imo

That is called a back shoulder pass and the defensive back does not know the ball is coming.

 

[IU Scott]

I said if his 4 games were used up. If we were playing for something that really matter, sure, you go with your best. But under normal circumstances for us? No...no way...total waste for what reason???

All IM advocating is saving his season so we can get 4 more...money in the bank!

Say we red shirt him this year and then the next two years he blows up and becomes a high draft pick. Since he red shirted then played two years then he could leave for the draft so you really just got two years out of him. If he is that good and you play him this year so you can maximize the amount of games you have with him.

 

[TominDallas]

That is called a back shoulder pass and the defensive back does not know the ball is coming.

The announcer commented how it was a perfectly thrown pass.

 

[mobilehoosier]

I don’t expect to red shirt Penix any longer. Dawkins didn’t provide insurance I expected. I do believe as some have already posted that Michael is the real deal and would forgo a 5th year anyway. He’s not waiting. I say enjoy him while we can.
I also think Peyton played very well and I expect that to continue. We need more 4* QB’s. Difference is huge between 4’s and 3’s at QB.
One final thought: coach DeBoard is really good. All the haters who called him too old and outdated should take notice. He now has QB’s that fit his IU offense. I reference IU offense because our line needs a moble QB. We don’t recruit well enough to dominate B1G east on the O line.
Go Hoosiers!
Very excited about this team. I hope I still am after Virginia. Big grin!