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Pelosi is 80, McConnell 78, Trump 74 , Biden 77

Trust me on this - my problem with Pelosi is not her age, and my problem with Pete is not his sexuality.

Just another example where what is considered important these days is not.

The problems in this country which need federal attention are:

1. The failure of The Great Society - and a new approach to creating a safety net without destroying sustainable jobs (which will cure a LOT of other problems too).

2. The protection of the nation from cyber-attacks that can cripple everything from banking to supply chain.

3. A failed public education system which produces "graduates" who are functionally illiterate and without even manual labor skill, and "fixes" the problem by lowering the bar and dragging the ceiling down with it.

Anybody heard these things discussed in Washington lately?

Im all for solutions and I don’t much care where they come from. If the Rs had the answers they’d tell us right? Like their health care plan they’ve had 10 years to work on. Let’s demand a party of ideas.
 
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That is a good sign. I also grew up in Southern Indiana, but have lived in Indianapolis for 10 years. Thank you for sharing stoll. Also just so you know, I am also a CPA, but my career has mostly been in manufacturing and corporate accounting. I did public (auditing) for 2 years and that was enough for me 🙂

You chose the better path. I feel like IU pushed accounting majors towards public accounting. I know what you do is also difficult and stressful.

I’ve certainly been rewarded financially but my physical health has been harmed by my choice. Dealing with so many clients can be challanging at times. In a small community I wear many hats for many clients. As many have questioned my mental health on here, there are days the stress gets to me. LoL.

Although I am a redneck Republican I respect you and your life Neves.
 
CNN ran a story the other night the average age of a U.S senator is 73. Compared our officials to other nations and we are far and away represented by the oldest group of legislators. Biden had so many chances to totally slam Trump last night but by the time he had gathered his thoughts the moment had passed. With age comes wisdom but there is a tipping point where people lose their edge. any thoughts on why our country is being ran by people that in normal careers would have retired at least a decade ago?
When was the last time anyone on this board entered a popularity contest? Because that’s what National politics are right now. Especially the presidency. Seriously, middle school student councils have more substantive debates. Plus the media and your opponents are going to find out about all the shit you’ve messed up, been ashamed of or hidden during your lifetime. Who the hell signs up for that at 50 unless you’re desperate or have a seriously psychopathic personality. Obama went through it and it aged him. Bush went through it and they were pulling up crap from his colllege days. Same for Gore. I can’t imagine folks with any sense want to go through that. So we’re stuck with aging folks who mainly got elected long before the “internet vetting” that goes on currently. Incumbency is a helluva drug.

rant over. I might be slightly intoxicated.
 
I'm just curious why you think it's affected your physical health. Alcohol abuse? Are you a cutter? Hemorrhoids?

Stress caused ulcerative colitis, heart issues and other ailments. Colitis is pain in ass. Lol.
 
CNN ran a story the other night the average age of a U.S senator is 73. Compared our officials to other nations and we are far and away represented by the oldest group of legislators. Biden had so many chances to totally slam Trump last night but by the time he had gathered his thoughts the moment had passed. With age comes wisdom but there is a tipping point where people lose their edge. any thoughts on why our country is being ran by people that in normal careers would have retired at least a decade ago?

those aren't the people running our country.

they are only the figureheads of those running the country.

when govt can be bought, 100% chance it will be.

and it was, and both sides of the isle have been.
 
And Feinstein is 87 . . . it's one thing to maintain one's cognitive functions well into the 80s, but I'd say by 90 most of us are starting to slip a bit . . . and most of those by 85. It's one thing to remain sharp and performing at full capacity like RBG was at 87 - which is relatively rare - but if some one close to you says you're slipping into a fog relatively often when you shouldn't be, you really ought to listen to them when they level with you.

the whole age thing is a credible subject of discussion.

but older people do know a lot about things that even middle aged people don't, and ofter life experience and the accumulation of knowledge trump advantages of youth as to wisdom.

that said, mental impairment isn't the problem with those elders referenced in this thread.

total lack of morals and ethics are.
 
I get your point. But Mayor Pete chose to include being gay as part of his political identity. After he dropped out and spoke at the DNC, he chose to include being gay in that speech. Compare Pete to Richard Grenell. I've heard Grenell speak often, including at the RNC. Not once has he ever mentioned being gay. Most people really don't care if Pete is gay. He needs to quit acting as if they do.

You can't compare the two situations. Buttigieg was running for elected office, speaking on policies that directly impact many or some of his constituents. Whenever, Buttigieg speaks on TV in his current role, he doesn't bring up his sexual orientation.

You don't have to like it, but we still live in a country where sexual orientation is discriminated against. Those are things you speak about when you run for public office. Those are things you speak about when you're working in National Intelligence.
 
In my opinion, there should be an across the board cut off age limit for candidacy (for Any office) at age 73 (to run) along with a mandatory retirement age of 81 (to serve)...

This allows the bulk of the high functioning geriatrics to serve a year past 80 while giving the youngsters some slight light at the far end of the tunnel to get in and make their contributions...

I only went with the high number because both my mother and father were in their mid-80's when they passed and were both still much sharper mentally than most on here... (which I suppose is a rather low bar...)...

I'd lower it. If we can have an age floor to run for President, we can have a ceiling for federally elected offices. I'd say no older than 65 in the year of the election - President, House, Senate. State offices too.

Local? 75 years old should be the cut off.

We also need term limits for legislators. Six terms for the House, four for Senate. If you're good in the House for 10-12 years and can move on to being a Senator, that's still plenty of time to be a career politician.
 
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You can't compare the two situations. Buttigieg was running for elected office, speaking on policies that directly impact many or some of his constituents. Whenever, Buttigieg speaks on TV in his current role, he doesn't bring up his sexual orientation.

You don't have to like it, but we still live in a country where sexual orientation is discriminated against. Those are things you speak about when you run for public office. Those are things you speak about when you're working in National Intelligence.

I’m not talking about gay rights and neither was Pete. He used his orientation as an accoutrement. His point was “look what I have done and I’m gay, I’m really special”.
 
I’m not talking about gay rights and neither was Pete. He used his orientation as an accoutrement. His point was “look what I have done and I’m gay, I’m really special”.

Good lord, everything doesn't need to be viewed through an old, white conservative lens.

Pete got some fanfare for being a publically outed candidate but the only time he would really talk about it was in regards to how important our government is to protect human rights...like what's going on right now. His marriage is on the line. Yours isn't, but his is thanks to narrow-minded thinking like you in a position of power.

Pete was and is extremely professional about his personal life like how Obama was about his 'blackness'.

It's a part of who they are and they aren't going to suppress it because of old, white dudes like you think they have to act white....but to say that they used it as the core of their political identity is flat out wrong.

You probably wouldn't have even known he was gay by the way he acted, like many did for over thirty years of his life when he was in the closet.

This type of political typecasting has been going on forever. Remember when JFK had to overcome being a Catholic?

Wait a second, maybe that should immediately disqualify ACB because she so flaunts her catholicism and obviously bases every decision on it. We obviously can't have that. Lol
 
I’m not talking about gay rights and neither was Pete. He used his orientation as an accoutrement. His point was “look what I have done and I’m gay, I’m really special”.

You don't need to embellish what he said or meant. He never said or implied he was really special. Whether you want to think it matters or not, his candidacy was unique.

Breaking barriers will evoke those types of discussions, and white people, especially older ones, who resist will just have to get over it. There is no question he referred to gay rights, or at least representation in our government and not just by gay candidates.
 
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I’m not talking about gay rights and neither was Pete. He used his orientation as an accoutrement. His point was “look what I have done and I’m gay, I’m really special”.
This is yet another example of you being a douchebag. Pete's accomplishments in business, the military, and in politics stood on their own.
 
This is yet another example of you being a douchebag. Pete's accomplishments in business, the military, and in politics stood on their own.

He talked about all of it. It's all part of who he is as a person and a candidate. People who have a problem with any of it are injecting their own prejudices into the situation.
 
could eventually be the downfall of our system , to me far and away the most impressive guy in the dem debates was mayor Pete , but he chose to be gay which ended his hopes. Hard to imagine going from the mayor of south bend Indiana to president of the united states. with no stops in between
I think he was polling at 1% in the South Carolina primary. Somewhat ironic but he realized he was not going to get any of the black vote.

But no, he did not choose to be gay. It's the way that God made him.
 
Good lord, everything doesn't need to be viewed through an old, white conservative lens.

And quit acting like this is an old white conservative lens. Being gay is not special to millions of people including me. While I didn't hear everything Gov. Polis said during his campaign, I never heard him use his orientation as Pete did. Many politicians use headwinds in their backgrounds as resume enhancers in the sense of they are special for what they have overcome. Trump does that with his "no president should endure what I have endured" schtick. I don't particularly like any of that either.

and white people, especially older ones,

You can knock off that stupid racist old white people crap anytime. It's really a dumb point and argument. All you are doing is avoiding substance.

Pete's accomplishments in business, the military, and in politics stood on their own.

Indeed, and I totally agree. I am much more impressed with those who don't mention their sex, orientation, race, humble backgrounds, or other personal characteristics as a resume enhancer. Speaking about accomplishments is much more influential with me. If Pete ever becomes POTUS, he will do it based upon factors other than being the "first gay president".
 
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I’m not talking about gay rights and neither was Pete. He used his orientation as an accoutrement. His point was “look what I have done and I’m gay, I’m really special”.
You really think that was his point in running for president? Really?
My take away from him what is that he was quite often the brightest guy in the room. He looked at issues objectively and his point of view was explained concisely and fairly. And he always attempted to educate and motivate prospective voters.
Personally I thought he should have left his husband out of the political discussion. I wish all of them would leave their spouses out of campaigning.
 
You can knock off that stupid racist old people crap anytime. It's really a dumb point and argument. All you are doing is avoiding substance.

I never implied racism. I used the word prejudice in this topic. If you don't know the difference, just bow out.

What substance? Your beef is Buttigieg talked about being gay, and you compared him to someone who doesn't speak on a campaign trail or have a voter constituency.


Have you ever supported a non-white male candidate?
 
I never implied racism.

You used "white" to describe people and an argument. That's an argument based upon race.
you compared him to someone who doesn't speak on a campaign trail or have a voter constituency.

Do you know who Polis is?

our beef is Buttigieg talked about being gay,

Not a beef. I didn't criticize Pete for talking about being gay. I criticized him for implying that his accomplishments are enhanced because of that.
 
And quit acting like this is an old white conservative lens. Being gay is not special to millions of people including me. While I didn't hear everything Gov. Polis said during his campaign, I never heard him use his orientation as Pete did. Many politicians use headwinds in their backgrounds as resume enhancers in the sense of they are special for what they have overcome. Trump does that with his "no president should endure what I have endured" schtick. I don't particularly like any of that either.



You can knock off that stupid racist old white people crap anytime. It's really a dumb point and argument. All you are doing is avoiding substance.



Indeed, and I totally agree. I am much more impressed with those who don't mention their sex, orientation, race, humble backgrounds, or other personal characteristics as a resume enhancer. Speaking about accomplishments is much more influential with me. If Pete ever becomes POTUS, he will do it based upon factors other than being the "first gay president".

References to a humble background isn't just a politician thing.

During my business years references by successful business leaders to their humble roots was a common theme.
 
You really think that was his point in running for president? Really?

No.

My take away from him what is that he was quite often the brightest guy in the room.

Could be. But he takes ignornant positions on the role of government. I don't think he fully understands the concept of limited government established by the Constitution.
And he always attempted to educate and motivate prospective voters.

Yeah, he was a little preachy. Many politicians are like that.
Personally I thought he should have left his husband out of the political discussion. I wish all of them would leave their spouses out of campaigning.

That didn't bother me. I read somehting his husband said about him. I was impressed. I have never read anything similar in a same sex relationship except in fiction.

Do you really want Biden out there without Dr. Jill? Hell there would be an Amber Alert out for him if he were left on his own.
 
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You used "white" to describe people and an argument. That's an argument based upon race.


Do you know who Polis is?



Not a beef. I didn't criticize Pete for talking about being gay. I criticized him for implying that his accomplishments are enhanced because of that.

You realize that lefties substitute semantics for everything?

Only the labels matter.

Calling increased poverty and prison "The Great Society" gives them orgasms.
 
You realize that lefties substitute semantics for everything?

Only the labels matter.

Calling increased poverty and prison "The Great Society" gives them orgasms.

Aren't you supposed to be getting ready for a football game, in about 90 minutes?

Here's a label : Loser (aka - Nittany Lions)
 
You used "white" to describe people and an argument. That's an argument based upon race.

Am I wrong with whom has the most issues with gay, black and/or female candidates? I didn't direct at you. You took exception with it though and made it something it wasn't. So here we are.

Do you know who Polis is?

I don't, but I looked him up.

Gay, Jewish, Democrat. Let me guess, you voted for him.

Not a beef. I didn't criticize Pete for talking about being gay. I criticized him for implying that his accomplishments are enhanced because of that.

He didn't do that. He certainly do that in regards to him as a candidate. You inferred it.
 
Am I wrong with whom has the most issues with gay, black and/or female candidates? I didn't direct at you. You took exception with it though and made it something it wasn't. So here we are.



I don't, but I looked him up.

Gay, Jewish, Democrat. Let me guess, you voted for him.



He didn't do that. He certainly do that in regards to him as a candidate. You inferred it.
You have a history of exaggerating “old white guys” as you did with same somehow being threatened by blm in your sports attendance response. It’s dumb.
 
And quit acting like this is an old white conservative lens. Being gay is not special to millions of people including me. While I didn't hear everything Gov. Polis said during his campaign, I never heard him use his orientation as Pete did. Many politicians use headwinds in their backgrounds as resume enhancers in the sense of they are special for what they have overcome. Trump does that with his "no president should endure what I have endured" schtick. I don't particularly like any of that either.



You can knock off that stupid racist old white people crap anytime. It's really a dumb point and argument. All you are doing is avoiding substance.



Indeed, and I totally agree. I am much more impressed with those who don't mention their sex, orientation, race, humble backgrounds, or other personal characteristics as a resume enhancer. Speaking about accomplishments is much more influential with me. If Pete ever becomes POTUS, he will do it based upon factors other than being the "first gay president".

Agreed, the old white man bullshit is way old.
 
Agreed, the old white man bullshit is way old.
It’s idiotic. I deal with old white guys all day. None are threatened. More accurately they are selfish and don’t give a shit. they don't give a shit about blm. they don't give a shit about gays. They care about money money money money money. ive spent my entire adult life working in two industries dominated by old white men. they. do. not. care. threatened is a joke
 
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Am I wrong with whom has the most issues with gay, black and/or female candidates?

Yes, you are way wrong here. If you want to play this demographic game, white liberals have the most issues with black conservatives. No other comparison comes close.
 
It’s idiotic. I deal with old white guys all day. None are threatened. More accurately they are selfish and don’t give a shit. they don't give a shit about blm. they don't give a shit about gays. They care about money money money money money. ive spent my entire adult life working in two industries dominated by old white men. they. do. not. care. threatened is a joke

So what you’re saying is that old white guys are scared. But instead of caravans, Antifa and socialists, theyre really scared of having their taxes raised. I actually agree.
 
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