While everyone was distracted, the much bigger news story was Trump caving on tiktok. No surprise, but one of his largest donors will now make billions off of tiktok. China our #1 geopolitical opponent is mining data on hundreds of millions of americans, including minors. Trump feigns interest, but caves as soon as his crony can make a buck. If his supporters would research more than an inch deep they would understand the sham that is taking place. Whatever happened to Huawei again? What an outrage.
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As I tried to find something positive about the Donald presidency, I was encouraged that he was going to take a tougher stance on China & these type issues. Shame on me for thinking he would be successful on any level...
It's comical that people think TikTok and WeChat pose such threats to the Republic, but put Google and Amazon and Microsoft and Apple up there with apple pie and the flag.
I absolutely view foreign companies differently than domestic, but there you go being disingenuous again...
Yea, except no one is in love with them. Maybe apple has its fan boys. Don't think anyone is in love with the others. Same privacy concerns, but those aren't based in China. I would break up all of them. Moreover from the little reading I've done, the amount of data the tiktok takes in is even obscene by facebook standards and there is even less disclosure.
I absolutely view foreign companies differently than domestic, but there you go being disingenuous again...
And you'll be just fine with the EU telling Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft et. al. that they need to sell their European business? Those are foreign businesses there.
I find it hard to equate Western-domiciled companies with those of a communist regime known for its theft of IP and encouragement of hacking.
Anyone thinking this has anything to do with data privacy or national security is an idiot. This is Trump putting on a tough guy show, nothing more.
You’re right, I’m sure no foreign governments would gather info on users to try to influence anything. Never mind....
🤣😆😃I absolutely view foreign companies differently than domestic, but there you go being disingenuous again...
Facebook says it gave Huawei and other Chinese firms access to user data
Facebook says it has a deal to share user data with Huawei, a Chinese smartphone maker that US intelligence agencies have described as a security threat.
money.cnn.com
The Tik Tok issue is hardly a one party, or one person event. Many Dems have jumped on the Tik Tok bandwagon, going as far as mandating all staffers of Biden's campaign MUST remove Tik Tok not only from their business phones, but also their personal phones. There have been many dems urging investigations into Tik Tok. Why you would say something like you did is beyond me.
So no one should be concerned about where their data goes? Are you contending that it’s no more dangerous in the hands of foreign entities, or are you contending FB should be held accountable? If the latter I agree... 😅 😅 😂😂🤣🤣😃😃😄😄🤣😆😃
Facebook says it gave Huawei and other Chinese firms access to user data
Facebook says it has a deal to share user data with Huawei, a Chinese smartphone maker that US intelligence agencies have described as a security threat.money.cnn.com
Then they're idiots too.
The only thing that even approaches actual data security is end to end encryption, and the Israelis will be happy to crack that for a price.
If I was concerned, I'd be more worried about Google or Amazon handing over my shit to the Feds over what the Chinese might get from my TikTok app. I guess everyone has forgotten what Snowden revealed.
That the Feds will intercept all your traffic and then lie about it. National security!!!
When it comes to information mining and hacking, why would business entities backed by a communist regime be more competent than a Western company ? Who knows, we might be better at mining and hacking then they are.
Unfortunately, however, an authoritarian country such as China has tighter control over its people and businesses. This could very well give them a competitive edge.
What scares me about China, is that it is now graduating more engineers and scientists than we are. Also producing more scientific papers.
I don't know about national security concerns, but the biggest threat to our personal privacy is not the government (even China), it's private industry. FB is the least of my concerns, anyone who uses it (I don't) should understand their business model is to sell what you post.
Here are the data brokers quietly buying and selling your personal information
I'm way more concerned about these companies tracking where and how I use my credit cards.
What are the goals of the domestic parties vs those of the foreign parties? To look at the what but not the why is stupid. That’s not to say that the motives of the people domestically are pure, but I would contend are less nefarious & dangerous than foreign entities. Besides, I’ve got nothing to hide...
Let's say I post some "seditious" stuff privately. Something like "too bad that ricin didn't make it through to the White House". Who should I be most concerned about, the Feds or the Chinese? Who is more likely to show up at the trailer park, the FBI or the CCP?
Well, if you've followed me at all, you know that I am 100% behind trying to attract and retain collegiate graduate talent from other countries in the U.S. So, to that end, I hope we can gain societal understanding that we need immigration, including skilled immigrants.
Anecdotally, the native Indian and Korean students in business school possessed far more ingenuity than their native Chinese counterparts. No question it's a "scary" in a sense given we are adversarial and fundamentally disagree on many concepts, but I'm less concerned than most.
FWIW, most of the Chinese people I have interacted with have been quite friendly.
Yeah, I don’t post dumb shit like that so thato not a concern to me. I’m more concerned about Russians & Chinese influencing elections. By your account, you’re more worried about a police interrogation than what has happened with Trump or the racial discord & unrest. You’re paranoid about the micro, I’m paranoid about the macro...
The Russians and Chinese are influencing our elections using good ol' American companies to do so. Who do you think owns Facebook and Twitter and Google?
It’s not just about ownership, it’s about who’s running them as well what their goals are, which I asked earlier & got no answer. Let’s just say the goals are the same, to control & influence people. To what end would the Chinese & Russians be doing so as opposed to domestic entities?
Whooaaaaa, internet tough guy here. Lol😂😂😂😂
Zuckerberg wants to make money. But he'll hand over your shit to the Feds at the drop of a hat. The Feds will then do whatever they want with it. In the meantime, Zuckerberg will allow the Russians and the Chinese to use his platform to do whatever they want too.
All I'm getting at is the notion that the Chinese affiliated social media platforms are more malevolent than their US based counterparts is silly. They all suck, and the US government will take advantage of Facebook or Twitter in exactly the same way as will the Chinese with TikTok or WeChat. If the Feds want your shit, they'll get it from Facebook or Twitter. If the Chinese want your shit, they'll get it from TikTok or WeChat. There is no fundamental difference.
Non-responsive. If the US takes the position that we can force transactions like this on foreign-owned companies it absolutely opens up US-domiciled companies to the same.
You keep avoiding the real question. Absolutely they all want it, but why do they want it? What does success for the Chinese look like for us vs what success for our government look like? I’ve asked this question multiple times, the fact you won’t answer is likely telling...
China has long barred the US (and possibly EU and others) from owning majority stakes in Chinese-domiciled entities. If you are going to play the EU card, that would be the equivalent of the US forcing BMW, Mercedes, etc to sell off US stakes.
I think it is a very serious issue. I also think he's right about the tough guy act. Trump did this with both Huawei and now this sham of a deal. He acts tough to his supporters, but when they aren't looking he agrees to a deal under the rug. That's exactly what this deal is and Bytedance is laughing in our faces. Mnuchin and Trump threw a bone to their donor at Oracle. It's the exact opposite of nationalism and America first, but his supporters are rubes. He ****ed us over to give his donor and pal a buck. To the best of my knowledge, Huwawei continues to receive the components they were supposed to be banned from receiving. It's the same crap with the wall. A bunch of talk and about 12 miles built. Repair previously constructed fence isn't a wall. Trump is all shit and no action.
Some thing with H1bs... he pretends to do smth, but doesn't actually do anything. His immigration Tsar is a former India first H1B lobbyist. Everything with Trump is a charade, but he has the most ignorant supporters on Earth.
I wouldn't force a transaction, I would just ban the app on national security grounds, if legitimate grounds existed.
Would you rather the Russians knowing every intimate detail of your life and possessing nude photographs of you or the Americans?
The main problem is we have a Congress that no longer exists and has ceded all authority to the executive. There is no legitimate purpose of Congress at this point.
A working congress would release the hounds and investigate the practices of the 3 named companies from about 12 different angles. anti-trust, privacy concerns, perhaps criminal investigations for enabling the electoral terrorism that took place in 2016.
But hey, i've long been in favor of the govt taking a much more active role in media enforcement.
The Russians pose less of a threat to me personally than does the US government.
So you don’t believe they influenced the election in 2016? You don’t believe they are flaming social unrest in the US? You don’t agree with your comrade TMP( as I do in this instance) about how atrocious it is that the Russians put bounties on our soldiers’ heads & we do nothing about it? Small minded.
what are you hiding that makes you so afraid of the boogeymen in black suits?
You're either trying way too hard to start an argument where there is none, or you just suck at reading comprehension.
what threat do any of them pose to you? do you have child porn on your computer? absent that what should anyone worry about? i know you're a computer guy so can you explain in reader's digest version what any of this stuff means to the dumb people like myself that don't understand any of it? i just assumed it's to sell our tendencies for marketing purposes or fear of getting my identity stolen/credit card info. i guess more simply why do i care if fb, instagram, or any of them have my info?
Any reason you won’t just answer the questions, we’ll except the last one which apparently would force you to incriminate yourself?
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