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Victorbmyboy

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The real question is are the permits worth the paper they're triplicated on?

That was my understanding of the Obama permits. Lot's of permission being given for areas that are known for dry holes or only worth it if oil is astronomically high in a market that's proven to be controlled by political/regulatory means rather than actual supply & demand.
 
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The real question is are the permits worth the paper they're triplicated on?

That was my understanding of the Obama permits. Lot's of permission being given for areas that are known for dry holes or only worth it if oil is astronomically high in a market that's proven to be controlled by political/regulatory means rather than actual supply & demand.
Yes they are. The courts have pretty much sided with free market companies. So precedence has been set. How long? Who knows but it’s sure looking good for the industry as a whole. Obama and Biden both know/knew pain at the pump costs votes even though they shouldn’t. Matter of fact his base is starting to complain about him being so obtuse about oil. The greenies are starting to scream.
 
The real question is are the permits worth the paper they're triplicated on?

That was my understanding of the Obama permits. Lot's of permission being given for areas that are known for dry holes or only worth it if oil is astronomically high in a market that's proven to be controlled by political/regulatory means rather than actual supply & demand.
Oh and remember it’s a speculative market. Supply and demand don’t dictate the price completely. It’s driven by thoughts and actions. Not by just policy.
 
Oh and remember it’s a speculative market. Supply and demand don’t dictate the price completely. It’s driven by thoughts and actions. Not by just policy.
My point is if all the new permits are in a general area that has very little oil, let's call it Lackofoil, Alabama, the increase really doesn't really mean anything. The increase in permits also means very little if the regulatory red tape is prohibitive.

Here's a good example of what I was talking about when it comes to regulation and politics. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...n-Halts-New-Oil-And-Gas-Drilling-Permits.html
 
I suspect there is oil in the Gulf, and Biden has really caught hell from environmentalists for this:

There is no guarantee that all the leases will be taken up by oil and gas companies but the Department of the Interior, which oversees public lands and waters, has estimated there is as much as 1.12bn barrels of oil and 4.2tn cubic ft of gas available for extraction. A separate lease sale offered by the government in Alaska’s Cook Inlet will offer up another 192m barrels of oil and 301bn cubic ft of gas to drillers.​

 
My point is if all the new permits are in a general area that has very little oil, let's call it Lackofoil, Alabama, the increase really doesn't really mean anything. The increase in permits also means very little if the regulatory red tape is prohibitive.

Here's a good example of what I was talking about when it comes to regulation and politics. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...n-Halts-New-Oil-And-Gas-Drilling-Permits.html
You aren't saying that gubment would throw some pretty glittery gorilla dust in the air to distract from the fact that they make it impossible or worthless in the down stream process....... That no one ever digs into in this 15 second sound bite world, would ya?

CALL ME SHOCKED
 
My point is if all the new permits are in a general area that has very little oil, let's call it Lackofoil, Alabama, the increase really doesn't really mean anything. The increase in permits also means very little if the regulatory red tape is prohibitive.

Here's a good example of what I was talking about when it comes to regulation and politics. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...n-Halts-New-Oil-And-Gas-Drilling-Permits.html
Oil and gas companies won’t lease on bad ground. They know where the oil is at. Politics are mostly rhetoric anyway. Like trump opening ANWAR. Not one oil company stepped up to apply. It just looked good. So here comes Biden closing those opened federal lands. Had very little affect but looked great to the greenies. The XL pipeline was a politics too. We knew in 2014 that thing wouldn’t be completed.
 
I suspect there is oil in the Gulf, and Biden has really caught hell from environmentalists for this:

There is no guarantee that all the leases will be taken up by oil and gas companies but the Department of the Interior, which oversees public lands and waters, has estimated there is as much as 1.12bn barrels of oil and 4.2tn cubic ft of gas available for extraction. A separate lease sale offered by the government in Alaska’s Cook Inlet will offer up another 192m barrels of oil and 301bn cubic ft of gas to drillers.​

He really has. His base is starting to tell him about it.
 
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Oil and gas companies won’t lease on bad ground. They know where the oil is at. Politics are mostly rhetoric anyway. Like trump opening ANWAR. Not one oil company stepped up to apply. It just looked good. So here comes Biden closing those opened federal lands. Had very little affect but looked great to the greenies. The XL pipeline was a politics too. We knew in 2014 that thing wouldn’t be completed.

You have no idea the level of idiots that live on this board. They think the POTUS is a dictator that rules all energy business across the US.

Record high oil production in US history will occur next year.
 
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You have no idea the level of idiots that live on this board. They think the POTUS is a dictator that rules all energy business across the US.

Record high oil production in US history will occur next year.
Biden has already sent the signal he won’t touch it further. Line 5 is still running and he’s approving leases on federal lands at a pace greater than trump. His comments in the media are all smoke and mirrors. His base is getting pissed at him for it. I ask people if they want socialized energy. They get a confused look. They don’t understand it’s a speculative world commodity.
 
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You have no idea the level of idiots that live on this board. They think the POTUS is a dictator that rules all energy business across the US.

Record high oil production in US history will occur next year.
You're their leader on this board.
 
You have no idea the level of idiots that live on this board. They think the POTUS is a dictator that rules all energy business across the US.

Record high oil production in US history will occur next year.

Banning US entities from buying Russian oil might be good optics, but that's about all it is. Russia is selling oil at a discount, and someone is going to buy it. Then it becomes part of the global supply, and market forces will prevail.
 
Banning US entities from buying Russian oil might be good optics, but that's about all it is. Russia is selling oil at a discount, and someone is going to buy it. Then it becomes part of the global supply, and market forces will prevail.
This…..people don’t understand oil companies/refineries buy futures/contracts. It’s like going to the store and buying toilet paper on sale for a month/year supply. You speculate the price will go up on that product.
 
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Now watch the idiots come out of the woodwork. People wanted Russian oil off the market. Sometimes you get the opposite of what you wish for. Any takers on who the Gas companies get it from? I bet it still ends up on our shores as other products and gasoline imports with higher global oil prices. $5 gas average coming and people still won’t understand why.
 
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Now watch the idiots come out of the woodwork. People wanted Russian oil off the market. Sometimes you get the opposite of what you wish for. Any takers on who the Gas companies get it from? I bet it still ends up on our shores as other products and gasoline imports with higher global oil prices. $5 gas average coming and people still won’t understand why.

This reads as a reasonable take to me:


In the U.S., meanwhile, it’s unclear how much of a practical impact Biden’s newly announced ban will have, given that many Western companies were already shunning Russian oil, after concluding that buying it wasn’t worth the legal and publicity risk. The European oil giant Shell was a major exception. But after coming under heavy public fire for deciding to purchase Russian crude at a discount—it promised to donate its profits from the transaction to Ukrainian humanitarian aid—the company announced on Monday that it would stop purchasing oil from the country and shut down its service stations there.
It’s possible that this sort of self-sanctioning has already halted the flow of most Russian oil into the U.S.—and maybe even all of it. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s preliminary data, imports from the country fell to zero during the last week of February.* In short, Biden might simply be turning an unofficial embargo into an official one.
 
“U.S. crude futures fall over $3 to $106.28 per barrel”

Iran bombs Iraq… crude falls… Russia has a tank roll through an abandoned Ukraine village, $127 pop…
 
While people are suffering with inflation and high gasoline prices, Pelosi is eating her expensive ice cream that she keeps in her $20,000 refrigerator and freezer.
 
A classic buy the rumor, sell the news pricing move....

Oil peaked the day the embargo was announced. Down to $94 this AM.
Oil down $40 in less than a week and market down in that time frame.

It’s almost as if someone with a huge wallet had 20%+ of oil futures to sell…
 
Banning US entities from buying Russian oil might be good optics, but that's about all it is. Russia is selling oil at a discount, and someone is going to buy it. Then it becomes part of the global supply, and market forces will prevail.
Russian imports had already dropped to near zero in Feb due to corporate actions. (per CNN). This was an optical illusion.
 
Do we remember the old saw about the weather, everyone complains about the weather but no one does anything about it? I wonder if oil prices are similar. I did some traveling this past weekend. If anyone is following those old rules about how to improve gas mileage (drive the speed limit, don't do jackrabbit starts and stops) I sure didn't notice it.

Driving habits can have a major influence on an individual's fuel economy. According to EPA estimates, driving aggressively (for example, rapid stops and starts or weaving in and out of traffic) can reduce gas mileage by 33% at highway speeds and 5% on city roads.​
Imagine that, we have the ability to somewhat determine how much we spend on fuel. And if millions of Americans did that, the price of fuel would also drop as less would be used. But driving 70 instead of 85 is too big of a sacrifice to make.
 
LMAO

this thread brings up the "what planet have you guys been living on for the last 60 yrs" thing.

the US govt doesn't dictate anything to big oil.

big oil dictates policy to the US and state govts.
 
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I know people keep saying how unfriendly Biden is to production. He’s doing the same thing Obama did. He’s actually appealing to his base but if you actually dig into the data he’s actually approved more permits than trump did and it’s not even close. Get ready for another boom.

And, 2021 domestic production was slightly higher than 2020 but.....demand is much higher now as we get back to semi-normal after the 2-year pandemic
 
I ask people if they want socialized energy.


despite a giant media/social media campaign of epic proportions against socializing energy, put it to a referendum and it would pass overwhelmingly.

gas could sell based on the cost of production, or a fraction of what it now does.

like Alaskans now do, everyone would get a oil dividend check every yr for any excess exported every yr.

we wouldn't need to import any oil from the middle east or Russia or anywhere else offshore, or only a pittance is any.

and if you want any drilling done in unpopular areas, or fracking, give the financial incentive to the citizenry rather than the big oil execs, politicians being paid off by the oil execs, the mega hedge funds, and the citizenry can decide what risk is and isn't in their best interests.

yeah, good thing we don't have that.

capitalism, $4 gal gas, middle east wars, being cucks to the POS Saudi royalty who then buy up our real estate, is really great.
 
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“EU leaders are expected to agree that filling of gas storage tanks should begin immediately in order to prepare for the coming winter”
 
despite a giant media/social media campaign of epic proportions against socializing energy, put it to a referendum and it would pass overwhelmingly.

gas could sell based on the cost of production, or a fraction of what it now does.

like Alaskans now do, everyone would get a oil dividend check every yr for any excess exported every yr.

we wouldn't need to import any oil from the middle east or Russia or anywhere else offshore, or only a pittance is any.

and if you want any drilling done in unpopular areas, or fracking, give the financial incentive to the citizenry rather than the big oil execs, politicians being paid off by the oil execs, the mega hedge funds, and the citizenry can decide what risk is and isn't in their best interests.

yeah, good thing we don't have that.

capitalism, $4 gal gas, middle east wars, being cucks to the POS Saudi royalty who then buy up our real estate, is really great.
And, 2021 domestic production was slightly higher than 2020 but.....demand is much higher now as we get back to semi-normal after the 2-year pandemic
But our production is back to capacity. It’s the rest of the oil countries that aren’t going back to ore pandemic levels. OPEC still drives this bus.
 
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