According to the 247 site
This isn’t suppose to be a big class, so not surprising to see a small first initial group in.
This isn’t suppose to be a big class, so not surprising to see a small first initial group in.
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He sure looks young but that indicates he hasn't hit his top level and will do so in college. I hope the OL does much better this year or I fear coach Hiller can't develop OL players.
Hiller has sent a guy, and sometimes two, to the League what five out of the last five years? The NFL must think his "development" skills are solid enough.. They don't throw their money around on guys they believe to have no chance to pan out, solid prior coaching has a lot to do with those projections...
We had a garbage O last fall and the OL was a big part of that (and no one is happy about it including me) but let's not forget the progress we had made up to that point...
I expect a return to solid execution this Fall and have no reason to believe that won't be the case...
The key, of course, won't have a single thing to do with Any of the coaches but with the Leadership on the Offensive Line during summer workouts...
If we have last summers leadership we'll have last Fall's results, in my opinion... Let's hope the lightbulbs have switched on and the leadership is happening as we type... I can't believe any serious Competitor would allow themselves to be embarrassed to last Fall's degree for second season consecutively...
Let's hope our guys have the kind of Heart I think they have...
//*//This post isn't meant to go after you V but I've tired of the "can't develop" narrative (from others) because it's simply not accurate... I'm too lazy to link all of Hillers recent NFL linemen so I've just linked his current bio... :
- Football Coach - Indiana University Athletics
*looks like they left off several Free Agent signees*
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We can agree to disagree on his success sending players to the league. I don’t think he is seen as the “NFL whisperer” yet.Hiller has sent a guy, and sometimes two, to the League what five out of the last five years? The NFL must think his "development" skills are solid enough.. They don't throw their money around on guys they believe to have no chance to pan out, solid prior coaching has a lot to do with those projections...
We had a garbage O last fall and the OL was a big part of that (and no one is happy about it including me) but let's not forget the progress we had made up to that point...
I expect a return to solid execution this Fall and have no reason to believe that won't be the case...
The key, of course, won't have a single thing to do with Any of the coaches but with the Leadership on the Offensive Line during summer workouts...
If we have last summers leadership we'll have last Fall's results, in my opinion... Let's hope the lightbulbs have switched on and the leadership is happening as we type... I can't believe any serious Competitor would allow themselves to be embarrassed to last Fall's degree for second season consecutively...
Let's hope our guys have the kind of Heart I think they have...
//*//This post isn't meant to go after you V but I've tired of the "can't develop" narrative (from others) because it's simply not accurate... I'm too lazy to link all of Hillers recent NFL linemen so I've just linked his current bio... :
- Football Coach - Indiana University Athletics
iuhoosiers.com
*looks like they left off several Free Agent signees*
I also think given he has been here same as Allen, his track record is not stellar. Okay have not seen IU getting closer to looking like we are developing lineman like an Iowa or Wiscy who do not get all 4-stars, and our pass pro and running game have been B- at best, C more likely.
I do think Allen having to “give back” salary on Sheridan may have caused him not to do same ax to Hiller. Though their close relationship has been reference as well.
I think Hiller may be on last year of contract. That may be the time for a fresh start. To me, but if line does better this year, how much will be on new OC helping mask it, or direct involvement even?
Im clearly not a fan, but hope they are better as a semi productive offense could mean a great season for IU as I believe the defense is going to be very solid this season (until or unless wheels come off offense like last season, which OL was a big contributor to that.)
Just look how good players looked in the first season and then when they are 2nd or 3rd season. The NFL is about size and take a chance, how many IU OLs have made it in the NFL for the OL Hiller brought in, not IU OL players. Just look at the good OL players brought in by Hiller and see how many haven't moved up to starters. I hope this year the OL improves a lot or Hiller needs to go despite the help he got from coach Bell and coach Allen; does that say Hiller is getting the job done? I want IU football to have very good assistant coaches to help IU win so I hope Hiller coaches up OL players like you think, but focus on the ones Hiller has recruited not inherited.Hiller has sent a guy, and sometimes two, to the League what five out of the last five years? The NFL must think his "development" skills are solid enough.. They don't throw their money around on guys they believe to have no chance to pan out, solid prior coaching has a lot to do with those projections...
We had a garbage O last fall and the OL was a big part of that (and no one is happy about it including me) but let's not forget the progress we had made up to that point...
I expect a return to solid execution this Fall and have no reason to believe that won't be the case...
The key, of course, won't have a single thing to do with Any of the coaches but with the Leadership on the Offensive Line during summer workouts...
If we have last summers leadership we'll have last Fall's results, in my opinion... Let's hope the lightbulbs have switched on and the leadership is happening as we type... I can't believe any serious Competitor would allow themselves to be embarrassed to last Fall's degree for second season consecutively...
Let's hope our guys have the kind of Heart I think they have...
//*//This post isn't meant to go after you V but I've tired of the "can't develop" narrative (from others) because it's simply not accurate... I'm too lazy to link all of Hillers recent NFL linemen so I've just linked his current bio... :
- Football Coach - Indiana University Athletics
*looks like they left off several Free Agent signees*
Once again I'm not trying to "go at you" here but I have to respond...
Just off the top of my head...; Bedford has started almost since day one at multiple positions... (and is listed by the pro sites as a probable draftee), Katic started until injured, Benson was expected to seriously compete for a starting spot until injured, Haggard came in and started on coaching technique alone as an underweight LT, Holz was on track to be in regular rotation at G until he was injured...
I don't see how Hiller can be blamed for a lack of "development" if a guy is injured..., which appears to be the overriding factor holding those guys back...
Once again.., I didn't like last Fall's results either.., but I don't believe they're indicative of the complete demise of the program, or the definitive end of an otherwise solid coaching career...
I trust Allen's judgment on this one... He knows what actually went wrong and why last Fall and moved to fix the problems... Not sure we could ask much more than what's been done to date...
The mob isn't always right...
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Can't teach 6/7 290! Can't have too many big OL.
I lay lots of blame/responsibility/accountability on Sheridan for each position group on offense. He wasn't organized enough, detailed enough or experienced enough to manage position coaches and staff. There was a disconnect that grew larger every couple games. Maybe, maybe it affected Hiller more than we know. It sounds like Bell pays considerably closer personal attention to organizing the offense and check marking details. Better competency being fulfilled in that area puts the program ahead of last year.
Go HOOSIERS!!
Gotta like that length. Hope like hell he has nimble feet and a bad ass attitude. Nasty sonsabitches up front win the LOS, hands down, guaranteed.
Go HOOSIERS!!
He plays Lacrosse... Anyone who plays Lacrosse well has a bit of a "mean" streak... 😉😎
I like him..., and hope he likes INDIANA...
I definitely saw an often chaotic sideline, with late play calls from the pressbox resulting in rushed signaling into the quarterback. We also had trouble sometimes getting certain formation groups on the field quickly enough, which suggested dysfunction among the coaches. On the actual sideline, Hiller and DMac ran almost everything, with almost no involvement from Tom Allen, and there were signs of tension between coaches and players as the season wore on.
Interested what other things you saw that showed Sheridan to not be organized enough, detailed enough or experienced enough to manage position coaches and staff. Thanks.
Go Hoosiers.
You've pretty much put a blanket on them. But those observations only hint there were large/larger negatives taking place away from our view. My personal evaluation as a fan only is NS could not manage people/staff successfully. So consequently everything starts sliding if only in fractions concerning team cohesion. His own area of expertise, QBs, slid the most. In 2020 the D and a shortened season kept his chestnuts out of the fire. You probably know more than I know. Bottom line his lack of experience as an OC buried him, the QBs, the offense and the team. In the end though Allen took the bullet. Even though not knowing much about Bell I'd bet sizable $ we don't observe chaos on game day this year. No doubt Allen did that due diligence before Bell was hired.
Go HOOSIERS!!!
Tai Ray from Apopka played with the state runners up this last fall (8A the largest class in FL). They were a run oriented offense. The school has a good program. They lost to Venice High that has a great program. An IU coach visited the spring practice of Venice High to look at a couple of players.
Hiller is a dud and he needs to stop being defended. Putting the icing on Greg Frey and Kevin Wilson's cake a couple times does not mean he has proven he can consistently develop Offensive Linemen, at least not at the P5 level. I still vividly remember Luke Haggard being bull rushed into Penix against IDAHO. No stunts, no switching, just your starting left tackle not being able stop an FCS player. But don't worry, I'm sure the D-II O-lineman Hiller brought in over the offseason would've fared better, right? The entire O-line was a disgrace last year and they were only semi-functional the year before against a bunch of unprepared defenses. Even in 2020, we literally could not run the ball at all against OSU, and with any QB other than Penix every drive would've ended in a sack. If not for Penix being a miracle worker against OSU(and all season for that matter), we would've finished with 7 points, not 35. 2019 was clearly more Kalen Deboer being an outstanding OC than anything Hiller did, as Deboer quickly became HC at a better program than Indiana, that's w/o mentioning Hiller still had a bunch of starters who developed under the previous O-Line coach.Hiller has sent a guy, and sometimes two, to the League what five out of the last five years? The NFL must think his "development" skills are solid enough.. They don't throw their money around on guys they believe to have no chance to pan out, solid prior coaching has a lot to do with those projections...
We had a garbage O last fall and the OL was a big part of that (and no one is happy about it including me) but let's not forget the progress we had made up to that point...
I expect a return to solid execution this Fall and have no reason to believe that won't be the case...
The key, of course, won't have a single thing to do with Any of the coaches but with the Leadership on the Offensive Line during summer workouts...
If we have last summers leadership we'll have last Fall's results, in my opinion... Let's hope the lightbulbs have switched on and the leadership is happening as we type... I can't believe any serious Competitor would allow themselves to be embarrassed to last Fall's degree for second season consecutively...
Let's hope our guys have the kind of Heart I think they have...
//*//This post isn't meant to go after you V but I've tired of the "can't develop" narrative (from others) because it's simply not accurate... I'm too lazy to link all of Hillers recent NFL linemen so I've just linked his current bio... :
- Football Coach - Indiana University Athletics
*looks like they left off several Free Agent signees*
It's evidently clear to the people that don't have their head in the clouds, now that Hiller has all of the guys he had to recruit and develop himself, he's proven that he is not a P5 level O-line coach. You can go off the ridiculous IU stats page saying 22 former players have made the NFL(btw that counts guys being invited to a rookie camp and cut after a week, which is most average starters at P5 programs), but you are simply confirming your own belief that he's a phenomenal coach who should never be criticized, because Allen still has confidence in him.
I won't lie, he had a decent resume when he got to Indiana, but so did Archie Miller. Sometimes things just don't work out, the O-line was dysfunctional to the point where the offense had no chance to score in Sheridan's schemes. McCullough saw the writing on the wall and fled, as did Heard. The only one who hasn't seen it yet is CTA, and ofc the few people on these message boards that defend CTA's every decision even when his team goes 2-10 and Indiana has their worst season in over a decade.
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Jaylen Aborom never made it to campus... he committed to Mississippi State over the weekend which wasn't a huge surprise.
I just look at the OL and the players 1-16 or how many. I just don't see younger players developing to be very good OL players the way Wisconsin does or some other teams like Iowa that brings in recruits similar to IU. With Hiller here, our OL have underperformed and I think it is clear coach Allen has seen coach Hiller needs help because the OL hasn't improved.
Andrew Ivins, who is really tied into the southern recruiting scene for 247, gave us a crystal ball for this young man today. He's supposedly close to choosing a school.
Plus the kid that was committed to Baylor that is visiting this weekend supposedly really likes us.
He's supposed to be our top WR target for the staff.
Wouldn't be surprised if he popped on or soon after his visit.
Ferrell would be a good get for our DB room but those coaches have been do great the past few years. It is fun to seen better recruits still looking at IU.
