offense without Morgan and Langford
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Inside-Out recruiting, and Inside-Out offense and ball movement. Feed the horses inside to get open looks on the perimeter. Year 3 of Archie's Packline D should mean IU continues to improve defensively, and controlling the tempo of the game offensively with a veteran point guard and limiting posessions, should keep IU competitive in most games.
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The offense is going to struggle again and will be painful to watch at times. I will be happy if they show any improvement (I do think we will be a better rebounding team, which should help). Hopefully, they become one of the elite defensive teams in the country.
Well I've said this before (posted it) ... I never really understood what Crean was doing/saying (his radio show) about the game.
I get CAM...but didn't see it last year. It was baffling and a bit disconcerting.
If we're going to go more to a motion offense. Something every HS bball player from Indiana understands (who lived through the Knight coaching influence)...It will be a bit more fun to watch the games this year. Man did we stand around last year...and I just didn't get it...I felt, forgive me, betrayed watching the games...it just wasn't something I expected from CAM...but something I might have expected from his predecessor...
I get CAM...but didn't see it last year. It was baffling and a bit disconcerting.
If we're going to go more to a motion offense. Something every HS bball player from Indiana understands (who lived through the Knight coaching influence)...It will be a bit more fun to watch the games this year. Man did we stand around last year...and I just didn't get it...I felt, forgive me, betrayed watching the games...it just wasn't something I expected from CAM...but something I might have expected from his predecessor...
I wouldn't expect you to come up with anything else. I don't know why you even use "our" in a reference to IU.
We did nothing to address our shooting needs so I would have to agree. This team will have to win with defense to have any shot at the NCAA.
One good thing is our home non-conference schedule is terribly weak - and the B10 is supposed to be down too...
So we could be a much worse team, but experience much better w/l results. Especially since a 1-12 stretch is almost impossible to experience once...much less two seasons in a row...
So we could be a much worse team, but experience much better w/l results. Especially since a 1-12 stretch is almost impossible to experience once...much less two seasons in a row...
I don’t think Crean ever answered a question with a reasonable response. When he talked it was a lot of just random motivational speech crap. Most times he wouldn’t even be on the topic of the question. Just a bunch of bottom lines, alright’s, and no doubt about its.
Our team is better by losing Romeo. He was a cancer to the team. Doubt he plays more then a handful of games before he goes to the Gleague.
Crazy...blaming an 18 year old...
Romeo did what he was put in position to do by an ADULT making $3.5mil per year. If you dont like the way he was used, that isnt Romeo’s fault.
If Romeo harmed the team as you claim...that is again the fault of the ADULT head coach making $3.5 mil per year.
The adult can't play for him, can't make him try harder, and in todays day an age cant even scold him for doing so.
Langford had a serious attitude problem last year, that’s for sure. But it wasn’t Romeo.
He wasn't a cancer, just I've seen this narrative before when he was named Noah Vonleh (Vonleh was better and still didn't matter).
Seth Greenberg called it before the season. Romeo has motor issues (Greenberg coached him, or was with him in Italy) and it's really difficult to win with one one and done player. There's always jealousy and players have totally different agendas and causes distractions (nevermind the posses, which are distractions).
The one and done is looking at it as an unpaid internship that lasts one summer.
Greenberg believes for a team to win with one and dones you need a gaggle of them, so they relate.
That was his message going into last year and the bald guy was right.
In hindsight it would have probably been better had we gotten Romeo when the foundation was already set instead of year two.
Oh and you guys realize that Romeo took the majority of three's along with Morgan clipping in a bunch for good measure.
When you have 28% three point shooters taking the most three's it's going to make you a poor three point shooting team.
I agree. Unless 2 players can make a substantial jump in ability. For example Justin can shoot, TJD is an exceptional freshmen, Race becomes a force,.....
The schedule is terrible. And outside of the top 3 the Big 10 looks to be really bad. I can easily see this being a 24-25 win team. How much of that is due to an improved team and how much due to the schedule is going to be the question that might be hard to answer.
I am surprised everyone is sleeping on Wisconsin so much (guessing the top top 3 you are referring to is OSU MSU Maryland). Davidson and Trice will be a top 2 or 3 back court, with a Sr. pritzel that I am sure all will shoot close to if not north of 40% from three. REEEEvers will be better than Brunk, for sure, way more skill and ability. they have 2 other 7' Casper looking Luke dudes that I would say are on Brunks level. Kobe could break out this season....
I think the top of the B1G will be strong. I think those 4 teams will be ranked pretty much all year. We could sneak in, PU, MI, ILL, and wait for it wait for it RUTGERS. I said midseason last year that they would make the tourney this year or next. I stand by that, Harper was way under rated, Geo is the shit and will make an all big ten team this year. Losing Eugene to Eugene hurts, but they have a lot of solid players that try hard. Don't sleep on Rutgers!
I'd swap out Maryland with PU, because of the coaches. Turgeon always finds a way to do less with more talent (fall short of expectations), and I expect the same this year. It will be interesting to see how PUke fares this season. Last season Painter deserved an A+ for his coaching, but it's one thing to outperform expectations when everyone is sleeping on a team, and quite another coming off of a very good season like they had last year.
Sure IU did. The two worst volume shooters are no longer on the team. When guys like Romeo and Juwan take the highest volume of three's and miss the highest volume of shots, it is de-facto going to be better. Green is a career 40% 3 point shooter, Durham was a 28% shooter as a freshman who was shooting around 40% from 3 until he dislocated his thumb against MSU, and it's not out of the question to think Phinisee makes a jump similar to Yogi's freshman to sophomore.
Not so hot take: IU shoots a MUCH better percentage from 3 this year at an efficiently much better pace.
Romeo rarely had a strong scoring first half and did seem to let others do the scoring unless he got a steal and an easy layup. He scored a lot of points in the second half from the free throw line.
I suppose It is better to have a strong finish, but I always wanted to see him play in the first half like he did in the second. I don't think he was a cancer. A cancer wouldn't have come back to campus all summer and sleep on Phinisee's couch. He wasn't a leader. A leader is what we were lacking the most.
He led us in scoring, but I will always wonder what a more selfish and aggressive Romeo would have done to prevent our slow starts. The worst of those was getting down 22 - 0 at UM.
Romeo's best attribute was that he could drive to the basket, draw fouls, and scored from the free throw line. He was a capable defender and rebounder. Green can do all these things. Green may not do everything as well, but he can knock down the 3 much better.
Durham and Phinisee can increase their scoring this year. I expect Green will increase his scoring the most. I'm not worried about scoring. I expect to score the same or a little more. I would be pleased if our defense continues to improve so we don't have to score more points.
I'm expecting our guards to still rebound, but we shouldn't need guards crashing the boards to make up for a lack of size and length on our front line. I would expect this to help prevent run outs and help us get organized earlier on defense.
Our front line without Morgan is where the team could really change. Some of my favorite IU basketball was the way Jeffries and Newton worked together inside on both ends of the floor. One would guard the post player and the other would come block the shot. On offense, they were always looking for each other if a double team left the other open. We had Odle and Leach backing them up. This year we have Thompson, Davis or Brunk, Smith, and possibly Hunter that can play inside. Hunter may be the best off the bench if he doesn't start with an ability to play on the perimeter or inside based on Archie's comments.
An advantage of Brunk starting is the chemistry he and TJD might have from working out together while Joey was at Butler. It isn't too hard to imagine a combination of TJD and Brunk/Davis equaling or surpassing the scoring and rebounding totals of Morgan and Smith from last year.
Having a stronger front line will allow our shooters to get the ball from inside and in position to shoot. We were taught the triple threat position for a reason. It is harder to turn, catch the ball and square up to shoot the ball. Catching the ball from the post ready to shoot will raise our shooting percentage, guaranteed!
Really good stuff. I remember playing the college basketball video game and Leach was a cheat code player. Best blocker on the game.
I loved that team, might be my favorite ever. Probably because I was friends with a guy whose family was for sure “a friend of the program” and those guys were always at his house and the ewwww weeeee was being passed around 24/7.
That team had players that understood their roles better than most. I credit Moye as the emotional leader and hardest working player, Fife as the defensive leader, and Coverdale for their leadership. It is hard to give Mike Davis credit for creating this situation. I believe we had strong minded players that would have been successful for any coach but were very good together.
Hunter will help a lot . Also expect increased efficiency from Green (who shot quite well last year), Durham & Rob
Disagree, our two worst jump shooters are gone, Hunter should be able to make shots, and more post depth that will require defensive attention will all improve our shooting this year. Green shot ut well much of the year and RP and AD were much better prepared injury than season numbers would end
I agree. Relying on Devonte Green to be your leading scorer is a scary thought. They need to ugly the game up and play great defense.
Not necessarily. Green and AD will be very good and they will get more looks. I also believe RP is going to shoot very well from 3. If we stop Smith from shooting them, bang. Our 3pt shooting gets better. Honestly, we had guys shooting who just couldn’t shoot very well. We also took some awfully ill advised long bombs. Smarter offense alone will prove a few points better.
Morgan was an absolute beast. But he was one man and undersized. His motor is what made him so good. We will be better up front this year, I have little doubt. That’s despite the loss of Morgan.
Do you wanna wager on what Romeo does this year for the Celtics? I’ll gladly bet Carson Edwards has more points or minutes played for them.
If not that, I’ll bet you he plays in the G league at some point this year or next.
He was highly overrated and the Celtics should not have taken him in the lottery.
Shocking you call me full of it, and when I back my statement up with money you disappear like a little B. Least you stay true to form! Was this statement dumb enough for you sweetheart?
G-League doesn’t signal a bust. Thomas Bryant is a poster child for that. Some players take longer to develop. Others are who they are. (Good or bad)
Be careful what you wish for. Romeo’s game might actually be much better suited to the NBA than college game. Run outs with those long arms and mid range shots, and posting shorter guards and getting to the line could all be his bread and butter. I think he fits very well with the Celts. And Brad Stevens would seem to be the perfect fit for him as a mentor and coach. BTW-I think I’ll go with the judgement of Ainge and Stevens rather than yours regarding picking him in the draft. (And that was a pretty stupid put down saying that Edwards would have more points and minutes than Romeo. Who cares?)
A year older..A year better..They may not set the world on fire ..But I cold see it being somewhat better..
My early thoughts are still 6-8 th in the Big..Slide into the dance as a fairly high seed..But a couple injuries and it'll be a crap season..
If Hunter / TJD or anyone blow's up...Well have a surprisingly good season..
Go Hoosiers !!
My early thoughts are still 6-8 th in the Big..Slide into the dance as a fairly high seed..But a couple injuries and it'll be a crap season..
If Hunter / TJD or anyone blow's up...Well have a surprisingly good season..
Go Hoosiers !!
Well they are on the same team, both guards, and Edwards got drafted after him. I was making a point he will be better.
It signals bust way more than not. Look at lottery players that have went to the Gleague. You will find over 75% are busts. TB didn’t get drafted until mid second round.
