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No immigrants from "sh1thole countries"

It’s a cult. People like @dbmhoosier would seriously defend Trump if he shot someone in the middle of the street, just like he said. He gives them an excuse to openly spew their ignorance, and not care if it’s accurate or not. He does it, so why can’t they?

And then if you point out that it’s blatantly false, they whine about the educated elite and being politically correct. And round and round we go…

I have no idea what in the hell you're talking about. I merely said that Trump calling certain countries sh!tholes isn't racist and it's not.
 
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It’s a cult. People like @dbmhoosier would seriously defend Trump if he shot someone in the middle of the street, just like he said. He gives them an excuse to openly spew their ignorance, and not care if it’s accurate or not. He does it, so why can’t they?

And then if you point out that it’s blatantly false, they whine about the educated elite and being politically correct. And round and round we go…

Depends... Who are we having shot?;)
 
I have no idea what in the hell you're talking about. I merely said that Trump calling certain countries sh!tholes isn't racist and it's not.
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I just heard this. He was at a meeting with multiple people.so knew he would be quoted. He sees nothing wrong with talking about people and countries this way. Worst person in the world.
He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?
 
He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?

He said he did not want them because they come from those countries. Why would the conditions of the country matter as to who we should let in?

It fits American history, Germans who lost their unification wars moved to America from their shithole. The Irish famine brought in people from the shithole of their era.

Italians came from the south of Italy in droves after Italian unification and their extreme poverty (southern italy in the late 1800s was a shithole).

It is who we are, not as many people left a comfortable life in a beautiful country to come to America. But again, if he is not casting a value judgement on the individuals why would he not want them here? Sounds personal to me.
 
No, what should sadden every American is to have someone living in the White House with so little respect for the courage of women and men who have been coming here from “shithole” countries for centuries — and who have built the United States into the great nation it is today. The Jews who fled the shtetls, the Irish who escaped the potato famine, the Italians who left hardscrabble farms in Sicily, the Vietnamese who crammed onto rickety fishing boats, the Afghans and Eritreans and Nicaraguans who ran from bloody civil wars — each and every one of them could have been turned back to their “shithole” native lands had U.S. leaders then been as obtuse as Mr. Trump is today.

But they were welcomed, or at least tolerated — and thank goodness, because what they brought with them was far more valuable than what this country gave them, as generous as that often was. What they brought was not, in most cases, college degrees or fat bank accounts. What they brought was moxie and gumption. A refusal to give up. A belief in opportunity and in an American dream that was available to everyone, to black Haitians and blond Norwegians alike.

Shortly after The Post reported Mr. Trump’s comment, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol reminded us on Twitter of Emmanuel Mensah, who immigrated from Ghana five years ago and joined the Army National Guard. He was home in the Bronx last month when a devastating fire broke out in his apartment building; he lost his life as he rescued others. “He brought four people out,” his uncle, Twum Bredu, who lives next door, told the New York Times. “When he went to bring a fifth person out, the fire caught up with him.”

Most Americans understand how fortunate we are to attract such heroes to our shores.
Trump can't die soon enough.
 
This is how ignorant you have to be to call Haiti a ‘shithole’

Haiti was founded Jan. 1, 1804, by people of African descent who were tired of being slaves. They fought and won a revolution against France, ultimately defeating an expeditionary force of Napoleon Bonaparte’s army, then the most powerful in the world.

France fought so hard to keep the colony because it was basically the Saudi Arabia of coffee and sugar at the time, providing the majority of both commodities consumed in Europe. The money it generated fueled the entire French empire. But it was made with blood. The slave regime necessary to produce those crops was so deadly that 1 in 10 enslaved Africans kidnapped and brought to the island died each year. As historian Laurent Dubois has noted, the French decided that it was cheaper to bring in new slaves than to keep the ones they had alive.

As soon as Haiti was free, the world’s most powerful empires did everything they could to undermine it. France refused to acknowledge the new nation existed. In the United States — then the only other independent country in the Americas — President Thomas Jefferson, a slaveholder, was uninterested in seeing a free black nation succeed nearby. The slaveholding powers refused to set up official trade with Haiti, forcing the country into predatory relationships. Haiti’s independence remained a cautionary tale U.S. slavers used to counter abolitionists until the Civil War.

France finally offered much-needed diplomatic recognition in 1825, at gunpoint. King Charles X demanded the Haitian government pay restitution of 150 million gold francs — billions of dollars in today’s money — to French landowners still angry about the loss of their land and the Haitians’ own bodies in the war. If they didn’t pay, he would invade.

Haiti’s leaders agreed. They spent the next decades raiding their own coffers and redirecting customs revenue to paying France for the independence they had already won, ravaging the economy. By the 1880s, Haiti had paid what France had wanted. But now it owed huge sums to foreign banks, from which it had borrowed heavily to make ends meet. In the early 20th century, much of that debt belonged to banks in the United States. Americans had also established extensive business interests in Haiti, exporting sugar and other commodities.

The United States, meanwhile, was looking to expand. Starting in 1898, we began using our military to secure new territory and markets overseas. By 1914, we had annexed the Philippines, Hawaii, Guam and other islands in the Pacific. In the Caribbean, we had Puerto Rico and a permanent base in Cuba at Guantanamo Bay. The Marine Corps had also helped carve out a new Central American country, Panama, in exchange for rights to dig a canal providing a trade route to Asia — and the United States invaded Nicaragua, Honduras, Mexico and elsewhere.

Haiti was next. Haiti’s politics, roiled by the economic turmoil caused by the debt, were in a tailspin. Presidents were repeatedly assassinated and governments overthrown. The banks demanded payment; U.S. businessmen wanted more security and control. Newspapers had been paving the way for U.S. public opinion — a New York Times dispatch in 1912 declared, “Haitians acknowledge the failure of a ‘Black Republic’ and look forward to coming into the Union.”

In late 1914, U.S. Marines came ashore in Port-au-Prince, marched into the national reserve and carried out all the gold. It was hauled back to the National City Bank in New York — known as Citibank today. Months later, declaring his concern that European powers, especially Germany, might gain a foothold in the Caribbean (even though they were all busy with World War I), Wilson ordered an invasion, then a full occupation.

The U.S. flag was run up Haiti’s government buildings. The Haitian government and armed forces were dissolved. For the next 19 years, the United States ruled Haiti. U.S. Marines fought a bloody counterinsurgency campaign to stamp out resistance. The Haitian government, constitution and army were disbanded and replaced with new U.S.-friendly ones. Intending to embark on a major public works program, the Marines instituted a system, drawn from Haitian law, called the corvée, in which peasants were essentially re-enslaved. Many of the occupation’s leaders were explicit white supremacists who used lessons they had learned instituting Jim Crow at home to create new, American forms of discrimination in Haiti. One major organizer was Col. Littleton W.T. Waller, a child of antebellum Virginia who assured his friend Col. John A. Lejeune — the future commandant of the Marine Corps: “I know the n—– and how to handle him.”

Not all Americans were fans of the colonial regime in Haiti. Anti-imperialist lawmakers, journalists and organizations including the NAACP protested, held hearings and wrote screeds against the occupation. But most Americans, then as now, were essentially unaware. As reports of massacres and other abuses mounted, though, embarrassment grew. Franklin D. Roosevelt, who had served in the occupation of Haiti as assistant secretary of the Navy, came to office promising to end U.S. imperial policies in this hemisphere. The occupation ended in 1934. Haiti had some new roads and buildings, a legacy of scars and abuse and a new U.S.-made economic and political system that would keep wreaking havoc over the decades to follow.

In 1957, a U.S.-trained physician, François Duvalier, came to power. Known as Papa Doc, he was a black nationalist who positioned himself in part as an heir to the Haitian Revolution and an opponent of U.S. imperialism, but he also knew how to manage a nearby superpower. U.S. presidents gave him, and his son who succeeded him, support at key moments (when they weren’t trying to sponsor coups against him), until the dictatorship ended in 1986.​
 
He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?
He’s saying that the people there are bad and shouldn’t ever be welcomed.
 
Here’s who — and what — America wouldn’t have had without Haitians

In 1787, the same year the Constitutional Convention took place in Philadelphia, an enslaved immigrant from Haiti named Pierre Toussaint arrived in New York. He was the sort of person you dream of meeting: empty of resentments, boundlessly resourceful, endlessly generous and kind.

Toussaint eventually secured his freedom and became one of New York’s first celebrated hairstylists. With the proceeds from his successful business, the entrepreneur became an admired philanthropist. Toussaint fed orphans, sheltered refugees, tended the sick and helped to build New York’s first cathedral. In 1996, Pope John Paul II advanced him along the path to sainthood.

While he was an apprentice hairdresser, in 1803 another Haitian immigrant arrived in the United States, where the author of the Declaration of Independence lived in the White House. The idea that “all men are created equal” did not capture the unique brilliance of John James Audubon, who brimmed with the unclassifiable genius that has always found rich soil and warm light in America.

Audubon was a frontiersman, a naturalist and an artist of such creativity and power that his signature work, a first-edition set of “The Birds of America,” commanded $11.5 million at auction in 2010.

More than one of President Trump’s golf courses — including his beloved Trump National at Bedminster, N.J., where he spends so many restorative hours — boast of their partnerships with the Audubon Society.


Getting back to history: Audubon’s worldwide fame overlapped the spectacular rise of Louis Moreau Gottschalk, a piano prodigy from Louisiana whose debut in Paris was praised by both Chopin and Berlioz. The son of a Haitian immigrant, Gottschalk became one of the greatest American composers of his time, infusing European ideas with ingredients from the West Indies, Cuba and New Orleans. The story of jazz, one of America’s great art forms — one of the world’s great art forms — can’t be told without his pioneering contributions.

At the height of Gottschalk’s fame, in 1868, a baby was born in Great Barrington, Mass., named William Edward Burghardt Du Bois, whose father was an immigrant from Haiti. This young man grew up to be a seminal figure of the 20th century. W.E.B. Du Bois was the first African American to earn a doctorate from Harvard University, a founder of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, a researcher who documented the realities of black life, and an author whose works influenced liberation movements from the American South to the colonies of Africa. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. honored him in 1968 on the 100th anniversary of his birth: “Dr. Du Bois recognized that the keystone in the arch of oppression was the myth of inferiority, and he dedicated his brilliant talents to demolish it.”

The highest honor of the American Sociological Association — a field he pioneered — is named for W.E.B. Du Bois.

As Du Bois was dying, a movie studio in Hollywood was preparing to release the 1963 film “Lilies of the Field,” an important milestone in American culture. For his starring role, Sidney Poitier become the first black man to win the Academy Award for Best Actor. Though he was born in Miami and grew up in the Bahamas, Poitier’s French surname marked him as the descendant of Haitian slaves.

And because the most important color in Hollywood is green, Poitier’s accomplishment in 1967 was even more significant than his Oscar. He starred in three films that year — “To Sir, With Love,” “In the Heat of the Night” and “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” — and all were hits, making him the top-grossing star in the industry.

Poitier had as much to do with changing attitudes about civil rights as any figure on the evening news. As Norman Jewison, who directed “In the Heat of the Night,” a Best Picture honoree in 1968, observed in Vanity Fair: “It’s a remarkable year for Sidney. All three films are carried by his presence, and they’re all battering against discrimination in some way, in some form.”

While Poitier was working his magic on screen, in the Bronx a boy named Reginald Fils-Aimé was growing up, the son of Haitian immigrants. If you’ve noticed the economy chugging along lately, he is one of the people you can thank. As president of Nintendo of America, “the Regginator” (as he is known in gaming circles) delivered “Super Mario Odyssey” to a waiting world in October. Within three days, the game sold more than 2 million copies.


I could go on, and on, and on. The Johnson brothers, James Weldon and John Rosamond, pillars of the Harlem Renaissance. Susan Fales-Hill, lead writer and producer of the groundbreaking TV series “A Different World.” Alvin Poussaint, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Jason Derulo — if you don’t know, ask a teen.

The president asked the other day, “Why are we having all these people from,” well, places like Haiti “come to America?” The answer is simple: From the founding to the present day, they and their descendants have made us a better country.
 
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This is how ignorant you have to be to call Haiti a ‘shithole’

Haiti was founded Jan. 1, 1804, by people of African descent who were tired of being slaves. They fought and won a revolution against France, ultimately defeating an expeditionary force of Napoleon Bonaparte’s army, then the most powerful in the world.

France fought so hard to keep the colony because it was basically the Saudi Arabia of coffee and sugar at the time, providing the majority of both commodities consumed in Europe. The money it generated fueled the entire French empire. But it was made with blood. The slave regime necessary to produce those crops was so deadly that 1 in 10 enslaved Africans kidnapped and brought to the island died each year. As historian Laurent Dubois has noted, the French decided that it was cheaper to bring in new slaves than to keep the ones they had alive.

As soon as Haiti was free, the world’s most powerful empires did everything they could to undermine it. France refused to acknowledge the new nation existed. In the United States — then the only other independent country in the Americas — President Thomas Jefferson, a slaveholder, was uninterested in seeing a free black nation succeed nearby. The slaveholding powers refused to set up official trade with Haiti, forcing the country into predatory relationships. Haiti’s independence remained a cautionary tale U.S. slavers used to counter abolitionists until the Civil War.

France finally offered much-needed diplomatic recognition in 1825, at gunpoint. King Charles X demanded the Haitian government pay restitution of 150 million gold francs — billions of dollars in today’s money — to French landowners still angry about the loss of their land and the Haitians’ own bodies in the war. If they didn’t pay, he would invade.

Haiti’s leaders agreed. They spent the next decades raiding their own coffers and redirecting customs revenue to paying France for the independence they had already won, ravaging the economy. By the 1880s, Haiti had paid what France had wanted. But now it owed huge sums to foreign banks, from which it had borrowed heavily to make ends meet. In the early 20th century, much of that debt belonged to banks in the United States. Americans had also established extensive business interests in Haiti, exporting sugar and other commodities.

The United States, meanwhile, was looking to expand. Starting in 1898, we began using our military to secure new territory and markets overseas. By 1914, we had annexed the Philippines, Hawaii, Guam and other islands in the Pacific. In the Caribbean, we had Puerto Rico and a permanent base in Cuba at Guantanamo Bay. The Marine Corps had also helped carve out a new Central American country, Panama, in exchange for rights to dig a canal providing a trade route to Asia — and the United States invaded Nicaragua, Honduras, Mexico and elsewhere.

Haiti was next. Haiti’s politics, roiled by the economic turmoil caused by the debt, were in a tailspin. Presidents were repeatedly assassinated and governments overthrown. The banks demanded payment; U.S. businessmen wanted more security and control. Newspapers had been paving the way for U.S. public opinion — a New York Times dispatch in 1912 declared, “Haitians acknowledge the failure of a ‘Black Republic’ and look forward to coming into the Union.”

In late 1914, U.S. Marines came ashore in Port-au-Prince, marched into the national reserve and carried out all the gold. It was hauled back to the National City Bank in New York — known as Citibank today. Months later, declaring his concern that European powers, especially Germany, might gain a foothold in the Caribbean (even though they were all busy with World War I), Wilson ordered an invasion, then a full occupation.

The U.S. flag was run up Haiti’s government buildings. The Haitian government and armed forces were dissolved. For the next 19 years, the United States ruled Haiti. U.S. Marines fought a bloody counterinsurgency campaign to stamp out resistance. The Haitian government, constitution and army were disbanded and replaced with new U.S.-friendly ones. Intending to embark on a major public works program, the Marines instituted a system, drawn from Haitian law, called the corvée, in which peasants were essentially re-enslaved. Many of the occupation’s leaders were explicit white supremacists who used lessons they had learned instituting Jim Crow at home to create new, American forms of discrimination in Haiti. One major organizer was Col. Littleton W.T. Waller, a child of antebellum Virginia who assured his friend Col. John A. Lejeune — the future commandant of the Marine Corps: “I know the n—– and how to handle him.”

Not all Americans were fans of the colonial regime in Haiti. Anti-imperialist lawmakers, journalists and organizations including the NAACP protested, held hearings and wrote screeds against the occupation. But most Americans, then as now, were essentially unaware. As reports of massacres and other abuses mounted, though, embarrassment grew. Franklin D. Roosevelt, who had served in the occupation of Haiti as assistant secretary of the Navy, came to office promising to end U.S. imperial policies in this hemisphere. The occupation ended in 1934. Haiti had some new roads and buildings, a legacy of scars and abuse and a new U.S.-made economic and political system that would keep wreaking havoc over the decades to follow.

In 1957, a U.S.-trained physician, François Duvalier, came to power. Known as Papa Doc, he was a black nationalist who positioned himself in part as an heir to the Haitian Revolution and an opponent of U.S. imperialism, but he also knew how to manage a nearby superpower. U.S. presidents gave him, and his son who succeeded him, support at key moments (when they weren’t trying to sponsor coups against him), until the dictatorship ended in 1986.​
Well ok. But Haiti is a legit shithole. That’s not a reflection of her people.
 
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He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?
Van, surely you understand that it's the people that emigrate, not the country. He says he doesn't want people from the shithole countries. And you make excuses for him. I expect it from you, but it's sad, nonetheless. One of these days, I expect you to actually act like a Christian. I keep getting disappointed.
 
Van, surely you understand that it's the people that emigrate, not the country. He says he doesn't want people from the shithole countries. And you make excuses for him. I expect it from you, but it's sad, nonetheless. One of these days, I expect you to actually act like a Christian. I keep getting disappointed.
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He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?
Trump's base, the so called evangelicals just today had to make excuses for their leader paying off a porn star and a racist, hateful comment denigrating whole countries and their peoples. In one day. It has to be exhausting for these people going against their morals and values that they used to have every single day. To sell your soul for a man like Trump is honestly about the saddest and most pathetic things I can think of. I almost feel bad for them. To give up everything you ever held dear for this man.....just shaking my head. Edit: he also lied and said he didn't say it. So 1: horrible, vile mean spirited comment in bi partisan group, 2. lying,3. paid off a porn star right before the election. My kind of Christian.
 
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Trump Slams Protections For Immigrants From ‘Shithole’ Countries

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...b94e4b04df054f757a0?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

President Donald Trump slammed the idea of restoring protections for immigrants from “shithole” countries in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday, sources told multiple news outlets.

Trump then said the U.S. “should have more people from places like Norway,” sources told NBC News.​
could it be because the countries are sh1tholes?
 
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He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?
Preach the truth! Christians are to avoid the poor widow and and fatherless child in their shit hole for they deservingly inherited the sins of their fathers... #RepublicanJesus
 
He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?

"Revenge, lust, ambition, pride, and self-will are too often exalted as the gods of man's idolatry; while holiness, peace, contentment, and humility are viewed as unworthy of a serious thought."

Charles Spurgeon
 
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could it be because the countries are sh1tholes?
Again, he said he doesn’t want any of the people from there. Even though a significant chunk of the people who come here from there end up getting college degrees and are legitimately hard workers.
 
Several officials that attended yesterday’s meeting in the Oval Office now say Trump did not say Shithole and went on to basically call Durban a liar, saying he has a history of misstating meetings in the White House for political reasons. It took 24 hours for the Republicans to get together on this response after earlier comments from the same individuals were more to the “I didn’t hear the President say that”. It’s obvious these people, including two Republican Senators, are lying. They don’t care. It’s more important to them that they do whatever they can to prevent passage of a bipartisan bill on DACA. Think about that. The far right of the Republican Party doesn’t care if the majority of the country sees them as liars. They only care that about their supporters, both those that write checks and those that vote in their state. We could very well see a shutdown of the country this month. And there will be one party responsible.
 
He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?
Geez you are dense. The emphasis here is that not only is he using gutter language to describe those countries, but he is saying that he has no wish to help their refugees.

What did Jesus say about people that acted that way?

"Depart from me. I never knew you."

Yeah..... that.
 
Geez you are dense. The emphasis here is that not only is he using gutter language to describe those countries, but he is saying that he has no wish to help their refugees.

What did Jesus say about people that acted that way?

"Depart from me. I never knew you."

Yeah..... that.

We need more Christians like you and less like Van and Roy Moore.
 
You got divided progressives on your hands. Some, the smart ones like you, are working or at least thinking on practical approaches to try to win an election. Others, numbered carefully from zero to minus 30 here are so eaten up with hate that spewing hatred toward all things not progressive hatred of anyone not in lockstep with them is all they are capable of. They have no idea about how to take a practical approach to politics. They just scream and demand that their party trash even liberals who disagree with them on single points. They demand lockstep marching to the extremists' tune and have no way to change. They think you are crazy as a bed bug for your post and they hate me and think I'm crazier than you are.

Because you never spew hatred
 
He is speaking about the conditions of the countries in question not the people themselves. Even Democrats tell us that we can't deport these people because their countries are not fit to live in. Didn't they say this about the Dreamer kids? There is war, poverty etc and we can't send those kids back there. Well isn't that basically saying the same thing as the President?

You’re actually arguing the opposite of what your pious president is saying in order to justify what your pious president is saying.
 
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So much to unpack!


Like his brothel-owning grandfather?



Do you love people talking about themselves in the 3rd person? And thank god Presiden Trump came along and reversed that fake post-2008 recovered that the Kenyan that was going on for years -- 40% unemployment.

I am almost positive he writes that and then, his tiny hands wrap around his tiny penis ... and reads it back to himself for 5 seconds. Splash.
 
Geez you are dense. The emphasis here is that not only is he using gutter language to describe those countries, but he is saying that he has no wish to help their refugees.

What did Jesus say about people that acted that way?

"Depart from me. I never knew you."

Yeah..... that.

Looks to me like Trump never said “shithole countries”. Nobody corroborated Durbin on this quote. This is not the first time Dublin made up stuff like this. Durban has done enormous damage. Somebody should introduce a resolution to expel him from the senate.
 
Looks to me like Trump never said “shithole countries”. Nobody corroborated Durbin on this quote. This is not the first time Dublin made up stuff like this. Durban has done enormous damage. Somebody should introduce a resolution to expel him from the senate.

CoH. I get it now. You are related to Trump?

Otherwise, for a man who has spewed out likes like they are confetti....

Central Park 5. Kenyan/Muslim. Trump University. Wiretapped. Ted's dad/JFK Assassination. Mexican paying for the wall. No Russian interference. The loser in the 'biggest' tax cuts. Unsubstantiated voter fraud allegations. Biggest landslide victory ever. Signed most legislations than anyone since Truman. Highest taxed nation. Crowd size. Carrier. Sweden massacres. Highest murder rates in 47 years. Women support. Debunked stories of the women he groped. .... just to name a few.

… hmmm.... I think will take my chances with Durban.

btw. Are you the judge sister?
 
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