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I enjoy seeing the FL pipeline IU has created under Coach Allen.
Good to see him come on board and I hope he starts a trend for coming to IU for better players.
Amare has real chance to contribute early great pickup for Hoosiers!
A 4 star from Florida? Allen can recruit!
The talent level in FL. He's the 72nd ranked player just in the state, yet he's a 4 star? It's crazy.
With the current rules of passing, are the DBs more important than LBers?
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IU football recruiting: Hoosiers pick up a commitment from 2023 safety Amare Ferrell
Indiana has a defensive commit in the 2023 class after highly-rated Florida-based safety Amare Ferrell pledged to the Hoosiers. The Columbia H.S. (Lake City, Fla.) product announced the news on his…
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2023 Florida DB Amare Ferrell commits to Indiana
One week after making an official visit to Indiana, 2023 safety Amare Farrell announced his commitment to the Hoosiers.
Florida DB Amare Ferrell commits to the Hoosiers
Three-star Florida defensive back Amare Ferrell has committed to the Indiana football program.
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Welcome Amare. Keep the Florida pipeline going!
Having beaten F$U out for him is impressive indeed...
I wonder if he has friends to bring with him?
Exactly my first thought. Solid pickup for sure.
Love the pickup, the recruiting defensive players these past three cycles has been phenomenal. Love that we are able to pull so many talented kids out of Florida but wish we could own our own state a little bit more, Ik the state of Indiana doesn't have a ton of talent, but I would like to see us get at least an OV from nearly every in state kid that's talented enough to get an offer from Indiana if possible.
We just added 3 instate 4-stars in the class of 22. We aren’t going to get everybody.
Indiana kids see IU differently than out of state kids do. Players in Indiana see going to out of state schools as a step up and don't value IU or PU the same way. It is what it is and recruiting in areas where IU coaches have a connection is the best way to improve IU football IE bringing in a Texas connection with coach Henry on the staff.
Your putting too much of an optimistic spin on it. From a recruiting standpoint, 2022 seems like the outlier, we're never going to get a Dasan McCullough again and even w/o him committing under very unique circumstances, we had just come off our best season in two decades, I think that largely attributed to OC and DJ Moore's commitments. IU has never been able to consistently land or even compete for the top talent in Indiana, go look at the last 5 state of Indiana rankings and look at how many 4 or 5 stars we get. Outside of 2019 and 2022, Indiana has been an afterthought to every 4+ star in the state. They either go to ND or they leave the state, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska even, they don't have that issue. If they want an in state kid they can compete with damn near every program in the country to get them(Xavier Nwakpa just last year, but if you want I can name 5+ hyper talented guys in the last 3 recruiting cycles that opted for their in state school over better programs). We just need a little more sustained success so our program doesn't have the affiliation of a bottom tier P5 program, because CTA is a solid recruiter, but the pitch can only go so far when your team isn't delivering on the field.
Agree that they see it differently than OOS kids, but there's a reason for that. They grow up in an area where IUFB is an afterthought, as in, everyone just scoffs at them and they aren't even taken seriously. If IU(or PU for that matter) had 3-5 years of solid success(8+ win seasons) that perception would go away(now, 2 years of 3 or fewer wins and that perception would come right back but...). It's all about perception, again I cite Wisco, Iowa, and Nebraska as good examples. They are not great programs nationally, but they are in the hunt for anyone that comes out of their respective states. I don't think it's too high a bar for us to be that way with Indiana kids. We don't need to land all of them, but we should at least be on their radar. Relying on connections is fine in the short term, but it's not sustainable, Henry could leave for another job next year, so could everyone not named CTA.
I love that Allen has been able to consistently land some decently talented kids out of Florida, but they aren't landing top 100 recruits out of FL, mostly high 3 star-low 4 stars who have not been heavily pursued elsewhere. IMO, the only realistic way for them to land top 100-150 kids, would be to land the best talent out of Indiana. On field results are important and obviously have to change if we want to be taken seriously on the trail(needless to say I'm not holding out hope on any 2023 kids after the season we just had), but I want to see CTA+staff fight tooth and nail for any in state kid they want to see in an Indiana uniform, no matter who is going after them. You won't get all of them, but even 25% and your landing a 4 star every year, and maybe you'll evenutally land a top 100 kid and inject this program with some real talent(I don't really count Dasan, because he committed under unusual circumstances). Just show that having that Indiana written on your uniform really means something and isn't just there for show.
I have no fascination with landing the in-state kids. Build your teams from kids out of state and if you are successful, they might take notice. Other than that, most of them are overrated by 1 star compared to Florida.
It’s up to the head coach to change the way Indiana kids see the state’s flagship university and IUFB and to create and see value in it from their perspective. We’ll be fortunate to get two of the ten best players in the state this recruiting season, and most will not have given us serious consideration when evaluating their potential schools. And those are all kids who could help us be better. No reason for us to not be better at home for the very best kids.
Go Hoosiers.
I agree with you about needing on field results to change the attitude of kids in Indiana. Until that happens, the quality of athletes in other states will to leave and come to IU is better than bringing in lower rated players from Indiana. My point is the best way to build the program until they get into the top two or three in the B1G.
The reality is that there are usually between 5 to 8 potential Big Ten starter level prospects coming out of Indiana on average (although I've seen year or two where those numbers were higher)... I've always been a recruit Indiana first guy but once you've given them the Offer, aside from the usual contact, there's little to be done to keep them in Indiana...
In my opinion, simply based on the fact that they have Spring Football in Florida (and put much more time in year around) they have a more prepared, if not a better quality, player coming from that state... I don't have any details as to why the quality of football is better in Texas but it's simply my impression that it is (probably because they historically put more emphasis on it)..., and for reasons unknown there historically seems to be a lot more guys with serious speed at their respective positions coming from other southern states... We have a few guys with serious quicks but FL, LA, GA, AL, MS, and TX clearly have more...
These days I'm All for offering the top Indiana guys first but if they're not all in early, moving on from them and recruiting the states listed above with the very high probability that we'll eventually end up with an equal or greater talent coming in from those states...
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But are they really that good? Honestly, we’ve seen many kids from the state, all in the top 15, float through IU and very few pan out. Many move on to other schools for playing time. I remember when Wilson pulled off what was a big coup at the time and landed 3 kids from the state (all 4-star). and the only thing to come from it was one of them setting up a budding drug empire.
I don’t get the obsession with getting kids from in-state to come here. There is no overwhelming loyalty from in-state recruits to play for the glory of old IU.
Obsession is a bit of a mischaracterization, my point is we should make more of an effort than we have for the C/O 2023 and go after top 200 kids in the state of Indiana. Not that we need to fill our class with half Indiana kids just because we're their home state. IMHO Mickens and Gilbert look like great athletes, we should make more of a push to get kids like that to come to their in state school.
Development is a different issue entirely, the defensive line development has been brutal the last few years, IU has produced one above average B1G D-linemen in three years, so when we cite guys like Beau Robbens who have yet to produce, I feel like we need to cut him some slack considering the defensive line has been a total shitshow all the way around from a development standpoint. It was masked by creative scheming in 2019-2020, but our former D-line coach really didn't show he knew how to develop D-linemen. I will agree that I'm always going to prefer southern QB's to northern ones, I swear the speed of P5 football turns so many midwestern 4+ star QBs into busts, we'll see how Brady Allen and Tayven Jackson do, but I thought Josh Hoover was a better pickup than either of the 4 stars from Indiana last year, it's too bad we couldn't keep him in the class.
Kentucky adopted Spring practice not long after I moved to Louisville. It didnt increase the numbers there much. Too little population.
It has become my opinion that the no. 1 factor in getting kids who are ready to play/learn to play in college is the quality of high schools coaches. They determine whether a kid will UNDERSTAND, and if the kid cant, his talent is a cruel joke on everybody.
Its why DiNardo toured the state. Its why OOS schools hit the same places over and over.
Find a teacher. Take his kids.
Here’s how our efforts have materialized going back a full recruiting cycle.:
- Kristian Pechac- committed, decommitted, never played. Disappeared.
- Madison Norris - IU’s next 220 lb defensive end wound up at EKU, lost weight and now is a 214 lb linebacker.
- Reese Taylor - decent player who was overshadowed by better talent from the south. Took his LEO game to Purdue.
- Jordan Jusevich - our first recruit of the 2018 class never saw the field and is now at Indiana State.
- Sampson James - fiddle-farted around with his commitment to IU, Overrated 4-star who didn’t start.
- Cameron Williams - limited play. Transferred to nowhere.
- Beau Robbins - limited playing time. Jury still out.
- Larry Tracy - transferred to Illinois State.
- David Baker - may become a contributor this year.
- Caleb Murphy - may contribute in next couple of years.
- Luke Wiginton - TBD
- Cameron Knight - TBD
- Ty Wise - non-contributor, transferred to Miami OH.
- Randy Holz - TBD
- Donovan McCulley - recruited as a QB and now a WR.
- Cooper Jones -TBD
- Aaron Steinfeldt - TBD
- Josh Sales - TBD
- Vinny Fiacable - TBD
- Dasan McCollough - TBD
- Omar Cooper - TBD
- DJ Moore - TBD
Obviously, the first portion of the recruiting cycle has resulted in very little impact from this state. Still time for the second group to salvage something but the results don’t endorse emphasizing the state of Indiana.
You left out plenty of Indiana players who are making meaningful contributions for other programs. That’s the point - we haven’t created a program that is attractive enough to keep the best in-state kids at home. Thats always been the point. We just make excuses for why those kids go elsewhere.
Go Hoosiers.
When I was in HS a kid moved here from Texas. He said the big difference is that in Indiana a kid is judged by his peers on weather they can make a free throw. In Texas they are judged by weather they can throw a good down field block. Speaks to the difference.
Weren't we told right here that Reese Taylor was the last BIG impact player IU got from the state and he decided to upgrade to PU and IU would not have a shot at today if he were still in HS?
I believe so. He has a chance to conclude his career there with a bowl game and a win. It is considered an upgrade over IU by anyone who knows the state of the two programs.
Have stopped counting the over-hyped Indy-area high school greats.
Until I see them on the field in competition, all recruits are now considered equally unproven.
You never dissapoint. Ordy will be proud.
Again you're missing the point, 90% of these guys that you are citing are mid-low 3 stars, I'm NOT talking about the mid three stars that get offers from other lower level P5 schools, I'm talking about about the four stars we didn't heavily recruit; Mickens, Gilbert, and Lauck being examples this cycle, all of whom have considerably better offers and film than the kids we're recruiting for those positions.
The four stars we've landed from the state haven't exactly torn it up, but Sampson James could have definitely been a solid RB if Mike Hart hadn't left and DMC didn't recruit Stephen Carr over James. He looked great as a freshman and who knows, if we actually had a decent offensive line maybe he could've been something. Cam Williams hasn't had the opportunity to play because we had better upperclassmen above him on the DC at the LB position his entire time in B-town, it does seem quite odd to me that he still hasn't announced a new school so I'll give you that one. Robbins is one of the many defensive line recruits who didn't develop at all under the previous D-line coach, I blame the coach more than I blame Robbins being from Indiana as a reason for his lack of development. McCulley being the final one whose actually played a full season, it was rough no doubt, but if there's one positive takeaway from last season, it's that McCulley is definitely a B1G level athlete, give him a year or two in his new position and he'll show why he was a four star.
How do you know we aren’t heavily recruiting Gilbert and Mickens? We didn’t even have a shot with guys like Caden Curry coming off the best season IU has had in 50 seasons in 2020.
It’s not that IU doesn’t try, it’s just not appealing to kids that are high end and have a ton of choices.
Did we or did we not get an OV from Caden Curry? Rumors were that we were Curry's second choice because the staff actually tried with him. Either the staff didn't try or the staff just sucks at recruiting because if you can't convince in state kids to even take an OV to your school, especially with the level of schools that are going after Mickens+Gilbert, than you are just not good at your job. Purdue got an OV from Gilbert, and is likely to get one from Mickens unless he changes his recruitment timeline. I don't want to hear all this "the staff did their best and these kids just hate their in state school" nonsense, it doesn't hold weight at any other P5 program in the country(outside of maybe Kansas), and clearly the other in state school isn't having those issues with the very kids I am referring to. Those kids aren't looking at IU because the staff isn't pushing hard for them to look at IU.
Well maybe…..but Purdue and IU are on completely different trajectories. There is a reason they are looking seriously at Purdue. It’s like when Joe Tiller was there. IU doesn’t develop it’s recruits like Purdue does. Same reason Hagan keeps going back there.
That's BS and I'm pretty sure you know it. Quit being a contrarian just to be a contrarian.
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