Big Chief Triangle?So hire Red Auerbach? John Wooden? What's your suggestion?
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Big Chief Triangle?So hire Red Auerbach? John Wooden? What's your suggestion?
That Duke hire came with the personal recommendation and insight from RMK. Even though he struggled.....Duke stayed with him. Who is that wise legend that will make a recommendation to IU? Can't think of one.It's been a while since I've studied logic and the causal fallacies....so I could be wrong. But I think the Latin term for this one is cum hoc ergo propter hoc.
Duke hired an up-and-comer back in the early 80s. He kept coming and upping -- until he became, arguably, the most successful college basketball coach in history. But, then, we hired an up-and-comer 4 years ago and he did a rather spectacular faceplant for all of us to witness.
You never know.
I'll get back to you ....They either have to fire Archie or extend him after this year. He will be fired barring a huge run in the next few weeks.
I like Oats. I'd be worried about his Alabama work being a mirage, but he did well at Buffalo too.It's hard to continue to support Archie after last night's pitiful performance and I do too believe a new coaching search will be on the horizon sooner than later. However, I think people are going to be disappointed. Call Billy Donovan and Brad Steven's all you want, it's not happening. Chris Beard isn't leaving West Texas any time soon. John Beilein isn't coming out of retirement to deal with this circus fan base either.
As it stands, Thad Matta is likely the one big name candidate IU has any realistic shot of landing. Currently unemployed living an hour north in Indy isn't a tough sell. How much desire Matta has to coach at a program like IU is another thing.
After Matta, I think there's two primary candidates IU should entertain. One is Scott Drew down at Baylor, the other is Greg McDermott at Creighton. Both of those would be outstanding hires in my opinion. Nate Oats down at Alabama has caught my eye as well, but tough to tell how good Alabama really is considering how bad the SEC is this year.
Don't get anyone in that group then yes I think you need to look at Dane Fife (who likely is the heir apparent to Izzo), someone like Travis Steele at Xavier who is an Indy native, or the next hot shot up and comer from a strong mid-major.
I didn't include Pearl, Pitino, Sampson, whatever other outlandish candidates have been mentioned that are and have been under the NCAA microscope for years because its NEVER going to happen.
I figure that all depends on whether some donor wants to pay for it. The buyout is huge at this point...like 15M. End of next year it drops to 6M, iirc.I'll get back to you ....
No way he's fired this year..
Covid has wreck the cash flow at Indiana..
No way in hell it happens this year..
That Duke hire came with the personal recommendation and insight from RMK.
I never had any personal dealings with Kelvin Sampson. But I had a number of personal dealings with Bruce Pearl when he was at USI. If his positivity and enthusiasm is an act, he's a fantastic actor who has never, in my experience, let the act down.
Let me put it this way, last March USI celebrated the 25th anniversary of his 1995 National Championship team during a game. Auburn also had a game that day -- against Kentucky. Big game. And Kentucky ended up winning. Shortly after the tough loss, Pearl hopped on a plane and flew back to Evansville to take part in the celebration with his old team. And it was all smiles and hugs. Virtually the entire roster made the effort to be there along with their former coach.
It's no act. He's the real deal. But, yeah, he does have a casual relationship with the rules -- and that's ironically always been what has kept him from reaching his true potential. Because he really is a terrific basketball coach.
Pearl 1st choice, then Alford. All in. 3rd choice keep Lil Archie mAfter reading about several possible candidates suggested on here, it appears Indiana should choose the new coach from the following list:
Brad Stevens
Mark Few
Billy Donovan
Chris Beard
Rick Pitino
Steve Alford
Rick Barnes
All excellent choices IMO (Pitino is a bit sketchy though but who really cares) and all would likely jump at the chance to come to Btown. It's like what @Courtsensetwo always says: who in their right mind wouldn't jump at the chance to come to the most picturesque campus in the country? A place where big dreams come to fruition and magic fills the air.
Personally, I think we should sign Mark Few or Beard...hell maybe even Phil Jackson. As my man Hoss @Cavanagh said, "time to start a new streak!"
Keep the faith people
-The Buford
This is the only name mentioned that could happen. The others mentioned are never going to happen. Alford for fu$& sake....Nate Oats - formerly of Buffalo, now in 2nd year at Alabama. Doesn't have the pedigree of the names mentioned above, but is an up and comer. I know, I know everyone thought that about Archie too. The key difference is he is in a big boy conference now. Also, he's used to coaching at a football school.
Go watch Alabama play today's type of basketball.
Lmao.Pearl 1st choice, then Alford. All in. 3rd choice keep Lil Archie m
I know they’re not coming, but you basically offer Brad Stevens and Mark Few a blank check. UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky all went out and landed their big fish. They paid a ton of money but none of them regret it.
When they say no, IU should target Beard, Matta, and Beilein. If you can’t hire any of those three, go digging for the hidden gem in our own state and let Greg Tonagel return us to the promised land. It worked for Wisconsin!
I guess I don’t really understand the Mark Few chatter.
Try again....Duke did hire Coach K on Knight's advice. Its a fact.Nope.
Although RMK had nice things to say about Coach K during his hiring process for the Duke job, it was AFTER he was asked about him by Duke AD Tom Butters. Knight actually was pushing for K to take the Iowa State job.
You need to read John Feinstein's The Legend's Club.Try again....Duke did hire Coach K on Knight's advice. Its a fact.
I know they’re not coming, but you basically offer Brad Stevens and Mark Few a blank check. UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky all went out and landed their big fish. They paid a ton of money but none of them regret it.
When they say no, IU should target Beard, Matta, and Beilein. If you can’t hire any of those three, go digging for the hidden gem in our own state and let Greg Tonagel return us to the promised land. It worked for Wisconsin!
What has changed with Brad Stevens that wouldn’t result in a “no” like last time? It’s not about the “blank check” for him.
It's not $$$. COVID has not wrecked IU's ability to fire/buyout AM. What it has wrecked is the ability to get a good coach that wants to take this on. We're at ground zero again. Thanks Fred, at least AM sucks bad enough an extension won't be in play, and it might be better to start fresh with an actual coach than try to just not finish last in conference every yearI'll get back to you ....
No way he's fired this year..
Covid has wreck the cash flow at Indiana..
No way in hell it happens this year..
As painful as it might be, the smart money is to give Archie one more year. Firing him now will trash the program to the same degree we saw when Sampson was fired and Crean hired. Especially with the immediate transfer policy the NCAA has embraced. We might very well be better off in the long run but we will likely be completely noncompetitive for two years. Use next year to do a thorough search if Archie struggles again (likely) and re-evaluate if an experienced team markedly improves and it looks like IU and Archie have turned a corner (not highly likely but not out of the realm of possibility). It's also worth mentioning that Archie is a pretty honorable guy. I think if next year is not a huge jump over the first four it's highly likely that he resigns. That makes it a smoother and quicker transition, increases the likelihood of retaining players, and doesn't disrupt recruiting to the same extent. In my mind, that option puts us no further behind than the abrupt canning of a coach at the end of this season.It's not $$$. COVID has not wrecked IU's ability to fire/buyout AM. What it has wrecked is the ability to get a good coach that wants to take this on. We're at ground zero again. Thanks Fred, at least AM sucks bad enough an extension won't be in play, and it might be better to start fresh with an actual coach than try to just not finish last in conference every year
I guess I don’t really understand the Mark Few chatter. He’s coaching the #1 team in the country. When was the last time IU was better than Gonzaga? No idea why he’d come. At least with Brad there’s the Indiana connection so I get the thought process.
I really like Chris Beard. I think John B is a little old and would take some time, and our fan base doesn’t have a ton of patience. By the time he built IU up he may be retiring. Matta is a total wild card with his health and all. If he’s healthy and willing he could do some great things. I’d personally like to see Bruce Pearl but don’t see any way IU would hire a guy with his track record. Love him as a coach tho.
We had a good coach 40 miles away. His name was Chris Holtman.
Pearl is a basketball philanderer......he can't resist the urge to step over the line when it bites him.Bruce Pearl is the ultimate salesman. Every interaction with Pearl is transactional and he is bigger than life - but a total scumbag ethically. And not a great coach. Good to great recruiter. He got fired from Tennessee for lying straight up to his employer and at Auburn they don’t give a crap what he does Chuck Person, Auburn assistant arrested in the FBI sting. Auburn protects him. He’s staying where he can be safe.
As painful as it might be, the smart money is to give Archie one more year. Firing him now will trash the program to the same degree we saw when Sampson was fired and Crean hired. Especially with the immediate transfer policy the NCAA has embraced. We might very well be better off in the long run but we will likely be completely noncompetitive for two years. Use next year to do a thorough search if Archie struggles again (likely) and re-evaluate if an experienced team markedly improves and it looks like IU and Archie have turned a corner (not highly likely but not out of the realm of possibility). It's also worth mentioning that Archie is a pretty honorable guy. I think if next year is not a huge jump over the first four it's highly likely that he resigns. That makes it a smoother and quicker transition, increases the likelihood of retaining players, and doesn't disrupt recruiting to the same extent. In my mind, that option puts us no further behind than the abrupt canning of a coach at the end of this season.
As for Brad Stevens, I wouldn't hold my breath that a blank check will motivate him. He doesn't operate that way. He doesn't care about ludicrous money and his ego doesn't need him to be the highest paid coach. He's made NBA money for a few years now and he's a shrewd money manager who doesn't live a lavish lifestyle. More importantly, he hates recruiting with a fiery passion. I know because I heard him say it personally. After his first year in Boston, I was with a friend who lives next to Butler's campus and is a Butler grad and longtime booster. We were walking my buddy's dog on campus and ran into Brad who was on a jog. He stopped to chat and my friend asked him about his first year. His exact words were that he was sorry their season ended so soon ( I don't think they made the playoffs or maybe they got swept the first round) but that he was thrilled that for the first time in a long time he wouldn't be spending his summer chasing 18-year-old kids around the country and sitting through AAU tournaments all summer.
His outlook might have changed after a few years of the NBA travel grind and dealing with player egos, but I'd take him at his word if he said from the get-go he had no interest. My hope would be that Beard could be lured by the prospect of easier recruiting and a higher profile at IU than TT. He might be of the mind that he could have a perennial power here with less effort attracting players. Then again, maybe not. I also have no idea what the terms of his contract might be - including the possible buyout. I think the Alabama coach (former Buffalo guy) is intriguing as well.
I'm disappointed as hell because I think Archie is a damn good coach and a good man. I still think he was the right hire at the time without the benefit of hindsight. Unfortunately, he can't seem to attract top-flight talent or get consistent effort out of the guys he has. If I was running things, I'd still give him one more year to be certain given the expense and disruption of making the change this year.
Id be on the Brad Stevens bandwagon! He could show IU the Butler way! Hek, even Lavall Jordan maybe! Butler is having a down year, not as bad as IU even though IU beat them, Butler still remains competitive in every game! Given his coaching style, he’d atleast have this team ready to play alot more than CAM has! Its too bad he went to Bahston before we could get rid of Crean
Home run hires.
Chris Beard
Bruce Pearl
Thad Matta
John Belien
Greg Marshall
is this the same Mark Few that Rick Greenspan asked to interview and was told "No thanks"?After reading about several possible candidates suggested on here, it appears Indiana should choose the new coach from the following list:
Brad Stevens
Mark Few
Billy Donovan
Chris Beard
Rick Pitino
Steve Alford
Rick Barnes
All excellent choices IMO (Pitino is a bit sketchy though but who really cares) and all would likely jump at the chance to come to Btown. It's like what @Courtsensetwo always says: who in their right mind wouldn't jump at the chance to come to the most picturesque campus in the country? A place where big dreams come to fruition and magic fills the air.
Personally, I think we should sign Mark Few or Beard...hell maybe even Phil Jackson. As my man Hoss @Cavanagh said, "time to start a new streak!"
Keep the faith people
-The Buford
Firing him now will trash the program to the same degree we saw when Sampson was fired and Crean hired.
Especially with the immediate transfer policy the NCAA has embraced.
...I think Archie is a damn good coach
....he can't seem to attract top-flight talent or get consistent effort out of the guys he has.
If I was running things, I'd still give him one more year to be certain given the expense and disruption of making the change this year.
I considered the transfer rule actually helping with a rebuild. But I have a sense that nearly every player would leave and I don't have confidence that someone could build anything close to a competitive roster by successfully finding 13 new players. I'm skeptical that a new coach could land 7 or 8 quality transfers.You’re not the only one who has said this. But it’s totally unsupported. This is more of an irrational fear than something grounded in history or evidence.
I’d actually say this rule favors a coaching change....especially when (as you correctly say) we have a shortage of talent right now.
This rule gives a new coach a rare opportunity to reset his roster faster than he otherwise would.
I’d say the danger, with this rule, is having a lame duck coach. With that much roster flux, who’s going to transfer to a guy who probably won’t be there much longer?
If the first statement were true, the second and third wouldn’t be the case. But they are the case.
Archie Miller is not a damn good coach. He’s a failure - at least at this level.
1) I’m glad you’re not running things.
2) The expense of firing him is the only sensible reason not to. Every single other factor favors cutting bait.
3) There’s nothing left to be uncertain of. His teams — all four of them — have been average to below average. There’s nothing left to see, there will be no payoff.
This whole thread is fantasy.It's pure fantasy lacking a single grain of reality.
Few will never leave Gonzaga for another college coaching position. He most likely will never leave Gonzaga for any other job.