IU football was in a (much) better place when Wilson left than when he took over. That's fact. There's nothing that makes that a botched hire. Sorry.
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IU football was in a (much) better place when Wilson left than when he took over. That's fact. There's nothing that makes that a botched hire. Sorry.
Lol. Lynch went 3-21 in the B10 his last 3 years. He was terrible. He left Wilson devoid of talent and they were the youngest team in the country his first year. IU went to back to back bowl games for the first time in 30 years under Wilson. Not recognizing Wilson as anything other than instrumental to IU’s football program is pure asinine. You’re probably the same blowhard advocating for Pearl or Pitino despite the red flags. Probably the same guy who says IU should have never fired Sampson. But yes, lets shit on Glass.
Enlighten me, why dumb? If you have aspirations of NBA money, why stick around another year with no meaningful development to get your game more NBA 1st round draft worthy. Archie has yet to develop one shooter at IU, not one. He can't even recruit players that already know how to shoot. Guys TJD's size need a reliable midrange to play. Also, physically he'll be disadvantaged in the NBA. If I'm him and i really want to play in the NBA, I'd go somewhere where I can get trained to play in the NBA, that isn't IU right now with Archie.
I agree with you about Wilson.
But not about Pearl. Hire him -- and put him on a leash. I truly think he's one of the very best in the business.
I agree, Pearl, as well as Sampson pound for pound are two of the best coaches in college basketball. But you can’t take that risk. Sampson supposedly had a leash and he set IU’s program back more than a decade. If it happens again, it may be the end of it. Pearl can’t help himself. There’s a huge difference between hiring a dick (and a drunk) and hiring a habitual cheater. IU basketball has done and put up with both. One is defensible, the other isn’t.
Nonsense. There were other coaches available who could’ve done what KW did, and without all of the side issues. You’re making the same argument that people made when Kelvin Sampson was hired, only to be subsequently fired. You know, on the front end, that someone had issues, yet you hire them anyway. Then, when you can longer tolerate those issues, you let them go for reasons that you knew from the start. That’s a failure. That‘s a textbook botched hire. Sorry.
So IU football was in a better place in 2010 when Wilson took over than in 2016 when he resigned? Oh do tell please. I'd love to hear you try and explain this one.
The OSU job wasn't open until after IU hired Archie. Here in Ohio people expected Matta to leave that summer because of his health and were hoping that IU didn't hire Archie because they wanted him. He was OSU fans first choice. He was the only name I heard from OSU fans really. I know I was very happy IU got Miller because I watched a lot of UD ball and loved the way they played. So the point is that I think most people thought Archie was the best choice of the two but no one ever really knows how things will work out. They improved each of the first three years and were in the tournament last year if there was one but I'm disappointed that improvement hasn't been big enough to meet our expectations. And this season has the potential to be a disaster. But it's not over! There are a lot of tough games IU could win too and make this into a good season. I can't see the future either except I know it's 99.9% for sure Archie won't be fired after this season. He will have one more season and if it's not a good one then it will be time to move on then. Until then I'm going to hope some players hit their shots and IU wins every game just like I always do. Even decent shooting really cures our offense problem because the shots are there but they miss them. We're also missing Brunk. Big time.
It hasn't panned out because mid-major coaches flame out at a high rate. Archie was a good hire at the time, but far from home run.
You have any kind of statistical analysis to back that claim? Everyone starts somewhere and 99.9% of the time it's not at an elite job.
A former Indiana player gave my dad some info that with covid going on the budget is tight but we have to cut ties with Archie. Also said Glass won't be hiring next coach. Also said Archie is not a players coach.
Actually I did date a cheerleader in high school it was your mom.
Really? The AD who retired last May won’t be doing the hiring? Earth shattering if true.
Ears perk up expecting something juicy!
Other than Zoom, Amazon, Netflix, and Charmin, whose isn't? That's no revelation.
An opinion that just happens to be shared by at least 80% of those with IU loyalties.
I'd hope not. He retired.
Ears flop down in disappointment....like when I was in the basement with my girlfriend and I heard my mom walking down to....er...see if we wanted something to eat.
Your dad needs to get a better inside source, nd!!
In other breaking insider news - water is wet.
The amazing part in all of that?
Davis was 9-2 against Purdue. He was beating Keady like a drum. Admittedly, those Purdue teams were about as inept as this IU program under Archie.
Bite the bullet: Rick Pitino. He would leave Iona. Pricey, though.
Evidently a lot of people. Several people said no before we even got to Sanctions.
Anyone in their right mind would avoid Indiana like Covid. They know how toxic the gig is now, and we can't use the "it's hard to follow the legend" excuse anymore. We farked the job up, and we're never getting back.
But he did botch the extension. While we made 2 out of 4 NCAAs (and one NIT), our program was pretty anemic. We fluked to the one conference title when JBJ got hurt mid-conference, improving our defense dramatically (and Yogi played like the man he was recruited to be three years earlier). But all in all, we were a mess.
People tend to forget Herbert was the IU President then and clearly was in Davis' corner. This was not a cut and dried situation. Public perception may agree with you, but it certainly wasn't a sure thing.
Two totally different situations. Would be interesting if we ever get to hear Wilson's point of view of how things went down.
That's clever. I'll have to remember that one. It still doesn't change the fact Davis was not fired from IU and stepped down on his own accord. As I replied above, with Herbert around at that time, MD may have lasted another season or more, despite what the fans wanted or believed.
He stepped down — but not on his own accord.
If the PTBs of that time had said “Mike, we know it’s been rough going. But we have total faith in you and want you on the sidelines next year,” I’m sure that MD would’ve gladly complied.
One way or the other, his days at IU were over. The “walk the plank” analogy isn’t just clever, it’s applicable.
I wouldn't expect someone who just yesterday openly bragged about paling around with Armon Bassett, who last I heard was on trial for dealing narcotics, possessing a firearm illegally, and beating the absolute piss out of his baby mama in front of her child, to understand either. Glad your 7 year joy ride on mommy and daddy's dime earned you a degree, but you're a flat out embarrassment to Indiana University.
Listen shit stain. I paid for every dime of my college, I have been working since 12, and am sick of old white racist POS like you.
Crean in the stretch of 3 years had around 10 player incidents resulting in arrest. Every other week on ESPN.com was another headline of IU players getting arrested. Hanner got arrested multiple times, once for driving the wrong way down Kirkwood while absolutely hammered and could have killed your grand daughter. Emmit and Davis played drunk frogger on 17th street and they were close to killing one another while drunk. Hanner after getting kicked out, came back and continued to party with the new recruits (TB) and got arrested again. How bout the WHITE EYE that Crean left? Where is the rage over that?
Not one ****ing arrest under Sampson. You think we aren't gonna read about Hanner getting deported soon? Bassett went down the wrong road AFTER he left IU, while he was here he got high and won basketball games. Didn't undermine his coach, that were the players under Crean. Like your captain (yogi) trying to get in to Kilroys underage little 5 week. NO RESPECT for the university or coach.
Where is your rage for the thugs under Crean you racist POS.
I'm glad this thread got turned into a racist argument. Great job to all of you! Let's get back to coaching candidates.
Doesn't warrant a response, this is as little as you're going to get.
Good riddance, Sean. Your originality never ceases to amaze me.
That's an interesting pair of sentences to be put into the same paragraph.
That title is for someone deserving of respect. You aren't worth the charmin extra soft I wiped my ass with this morning.
A homophobe calling someone a racist while being openly racist is so 2021. What did you expect?
I could have spelled it out more I guess. Older white people that are racist towards blacks I believe deserve to die.
That way you cant take it as being racist against old white folks. but lets be real, when people do what you are doing it is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stretch to try to act like hypocrisy. They are just getting away from the point at hand, and this is there way of arguing it. Really dislike this play, and happens a lot today.
We all know you wear depends and haven't used TP in years. Nice attempt at a joke though.
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