The NCAA isn’t going to have a choice. Players are free to earn their market value. Their market value is whatever someone is willing to pay them. 99.9% of schools don’t have a Charles Koch.
The size of the fan base can’t overcome the product. You have no clue how this will work. And the ncaa will absolutely ring fence this. If they don’t, IU will fall even farther behind.
You should look into the Koch brothers spending at WSU. Greg Marshall was always a top 20 paid coach and they paid 100% of his salary. They offered Thad Matta top 10 pay after Marshall was fired.
As far as size of fan base, we are actually bigger than Kansas. Duke is far and away the biggest college basketball brand right now.
Who gets a better deal from Adidas, IU or KU? Ask yourself why. We aren’t close to Kansas.
It should have little effect on non revenue sports. It may hurt football a bit potentially, but the other sports aren’t going to be impacted much.
I think the question is...can the cash come from boosters and can it be paid directly or only funneled through the AD. Once the rules are finalized then we can figure out who will be doing what under the table.
KU is top 10 for all schools revenue wise and the only basketball school in that strata. IU is fourth or fifth in the BiG. There’s roughly a $3.5M annual difference between us and them.
It all gets homoginized. If I get cash from X for Y I can use frred up $$ for Z. General budgets can be manipulated. IU MBB has high level and high brow exposure and support which drives $$$. IU Football has modest exposure and support but it all ends up in the general budget. Cash from VC and targeted donors is the icing on the cake.
We have already established that athletic revenue has nothing to do with NIL.
sports.usatoday.com
Yes, but no school is paying athletes NIL money, so NIL money is not a factor of an athletic budget. NIL money is paid exclusively by those outside of the school (ie. Boosters and Fans). These are direct payments and do not flow through the school in any way.
If Lily King or Kyle Schwarber can land a deal with a car dealer or gat a stipend...those would be the outliers i would think. I want to see the bidding wars over a QB between Bama and Clemson
The argument is that it goes directly from the booster to the athlete via Venmo, PayPal, or what have you, with no involvement at all by IU. It sounds like the wild wild west, but I guess that's where we are headed.
I am not sure all the rules are in ink at this point so hard to tell where the program ends and the cheatng begins. I suspect this will be fluid for some time.
So if I get a call that says...hey...instead of sending us $10K would you send that to Harry Homeruns via Zelle...again homogenized.
Schwarber wouldn’t have gotten those deals when he was in college. Lily King is in a unique situation in that she is an Olympian on a popular Olympic sport.
They pretty much have to adopt the rules that states are passing. California has already adopted policies allowing student athletes to make money off NIL with no restrictions.
I assure you that if Michigan changes then all the BIG states will follow suit. If AL changes then all the SEC states will follow suit. This will be a massive cluster **** IMHO.
I don't believe he said in basketball. I thought he said "in college sports". That changes things dramatically.
That's one outlier example...and not even necessarily a great one bc covering that salary was done via a donation to the university, which makes it a tax deduction for Koch.
We’ve established no such thing, because it’s ridiculous on its face. Why do you think an international apparel company values KU so much higher than they do IU? What data do you have that they do not?We have already established that athletic revenue has nothing to do with NIL.
Even though it has nothing to do with NIL, your numbers above are incorrect. We are higher ranked in revenue than Kansas.
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Well IU’s deal hasn’t been redone since 2015 and Kansas just had theirs redone in 2019. Regardless, I stated IU was top 5 in the country as far as fanbase size for their BASKETBALL team. That’s a fact. Basketball is the only sport we are discussing. The NIL will likely hurt us in football, but it will be huge in basketball.
Who’s to say he wouldn’t have gotten that kind of deal? And why wouldn’t an alum or booster take a part of his annual giving and reallocate it to a group of players, rather than the athletic department? And that reallocation will likely include something for the parents, too. That’s one of several reasons why IU won’t dominate in this new frontier. They’re much more likely to be overrun.
Again, using Twitter as the method of tallying fan base size is simplistic, at best. Actual data used by multi billion dollar corporations refutes your position.
I'm not saying you're completely wrong about some of your intuitions....but you've come up with some pretty concrete outcomes for something that is all just theory right now and that people who are much smarter about this than you or I have also said 'we don't really know for sure' how this is going to impact things.
There is more than goes into Addidas and other companies models than fanbase size of a specific sport as they are looking for a ROI. There is no ROI when giving money for NIL. IU has a larger basketball fanbase than Kansas. You are delusional if you don’t think this will help IUBB. I know you are just upset because this will hurt your Boilermakers.
It isn’t just a theory. Many states across the country have already passed legislation allowing NCAA students to make money off their NIL. Most of those states passed the legislation with no restrictions on how much an athlete can earn.
Kansas has a larger bandwagon fanbase at the moment, as do Duke and UNC. It will be interesting to see if the larger 2 schools are able to maintain that. UNC is probably still in ok shape either way with a larger alumni base...that is something IU has as well. If Woodson pans out, the support and money will be there.
I understand that....but it hasn't actually happened yet. Athletes aren't getting $ for their NIL yet. So to concretely say how certain schools will be impacted or how the private sector is going to react or spend their money or which schools and why will be most impacted is all just theory.
Ha ha ha ha!!!!! God that’s funny. Drives me crazy when our own fans can’t spell our players names.
