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well I hate participation trophies. Collin sucked at basketball. He made countless mental stupid mistakes. He was an awful shooter, and a horrendous defender. Romeo was the worst 3 point shooter statistically in the history of IU. We didn’t make the tourney hartmans last year or romeos one year. They were failure season and underachieving, just like both of those basketball players.

mentally Hartman is soft as a grape. He thought about quitting but mommy and daddy wouldn’t let him. Hell he wasn’t going to play for crean his last year, which I can’t really blame, but another sign of a mentally weak individual. Soft as hell.
Cavanagh with your attitude and spirit, and bo jackson’s body, you’d be a Sunday night documentary instead of Jordan.
 
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Cavanagh with your attitude and spirit, and bo jackson’s body, you’d be a Sunday night documentary instead of Jordan.

my life would make an amazing documentary. I have had many friends tell me this. The last 10 years or so would be pretty boring. 12-25 though? Oh must watch tv.
 
How do I not read your post and think oh what an assh*#e. I would say you are right up there with the non winners yourself. You are a salty old dude that needs to root for a different team. Unbelievable that you didn’t even get what he was trying to say. But I am sure you are one of the ones he is talking about. Never played college ball or had any high level experience but you can sure cut down people with the best of them. You are one person I don’t mind ignoring. Thanks for finally making me realize you are the loser not Hartman. Why don’t you maybe judge yourself before you judge others.

I am always at the top of my field, no matter if it as telemarketing for the IU foundation, delivering Chinese food, or working in sales. I have always been great at my job.

I have never seen your sn. Glad you have been stalking me for some time and have finally formed an opinion about me. I will forget you in less than 5 minutes.
 
I am always at the top of my field, no matter if it as telemarketing for the IU foundation, delivering Chinese food, or working in sales. I have always been great at my job.

I have never seen your sn. Glad you have been stalking me for some time and have finally formed an opinion about me. I will forget you in less than 5 minutes.
Cool story, bro.
 
12-25 though? Oh must watch tv.
I'm sure this guy would have a lot to say...

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Cool story, bro.

I admit, I do throw out shit out about my life that No1 cares about. It usually is always provoked. I just can’t help myself. One of my many flaws! But being weak mentally, that sure isn’t one of them.
 
I'm sure this guy would have a lot to say...

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I did order 300 worth of porn at my friends houses multiple times in college. They didn’t know I did it, went down to the comcast office to see why they had been charged so much. The lady told him she did not feel comfortable telling him the titles of the shows purchased so gave him a print out.

so yes the sock would be part of the documentary. But just a chapter of many. :).
 
I did order 300 worth of porn at my friends houses multiple times in college. They didn’t know I did it, went down to the comcast office to see why they had been charged so much. The lady told him she did not feel comfortable telling him the titles of the shows purchased so gave him a print out.

so yes the sock would be part of the documentary. But just a chapter of many. :).
Things a douche bag would say?

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damnnnnn Fartman is salty!!!! He sucked his last year here. I mean awful. Made some of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen, and was a horrible statistical season for him. What do you expect out of a guy with multiple injuries tho, we have never been in his shoes. Hell im wasting words right now, literally, well not really, but makes people think they are smart when they say it. Like they just made some drop the mic point.

I try to shy away from critiquing guys for things other than basketball, I mean I could spend hours on how bad Hartman was and this fan base still gushed over him, which is a race thing but hell I don’t have time to go into this!!! Hartman is soft. Very soft. What I get out of that.

Oh and Romeo was bad at basketball his one year here and was a disappointment.

I like a whole lot of players that have played for IU, these two were for sure not on the list from a pure basketball standpoint.
In his defense he had several injuries during his senior year. I don't like giving excuses but I also try to give players an honest evaluation.
 
In his defense he had several injuries during his senior year. I don't like giving excuses but I also try to give players an honest evaluation.

For sure, he was injured way more then most. I can vividly remember him making awful rotations, very bad fouls, and horrible passes. All things a good leader and mental player doesn’t do. Despite injury.
 
Regarding Romeo, I think IU fans expected more because of the hype. It didn't help him that iU fans are starved for a savior to take us back to the promised land. If Romeo had better players around him, his 16 points would have been acceptable, as they would any other freshman with that average. With the players not performing well as a team, fans didn't cut Romeo any slack, especially knowing it would be a one-and-done deal. IU fans are a surly bunch...have been since losing the consistency of Knight, the edge he had over other teams for so many of his years here.

Regarding Hartman, I like the kid and never had any complaints about him. I think he gave it his all. He was never expected to be a star, just a roll player, unlike Romeo.

I've always wondered if players read Peegs.com and/or Hoosier.com and how tough it must be to take, if they do. The same goes for their parents...how they must feel, knowing how much their kid has sacrificed all his life for this "moment". That said, it's not any different here than it is any place else of higher caliber basketball tradition. To think it is any worse at IU because Indiana fans are more knowledgeable about basketball is delusional. Basketball is not rocket scientists (sic). It's a recreational game, a battle of physical and mental talent designed to entertain us. For mere fans watching, it accelerates the flow of adrenaline...endorphins, if you will, which stimulates us to newer heights, much like the orgiastic rhythms experienced during a rainy night in Spring with the windows open.

The farther I get away from the coaching days of Bob Knight, the more I realize I just need to let the game unfold as it be, that whatever will be, will be. Why is this so very difficult? It must go back to childhood...my brother and I sitting on the living room floor with our folks behind us, watching the final years of Branch McCracken's 'Hurry'n Hoosiers". It was intense even back then. It must have been that adrenaline rush I enjoyed so much, that stimulation that elevated me above the more mundane existence of just growing up, the days before the nights filled with inklings of desire, unfulfilled.

~Mindless thoughts of 20 Spring Quarantine 20~
aka, The Daze of Lockdown
 
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Regarding Romeo, I think IU fans expected more because of the hype. It didn't help him that iU fans are starved for a savior to take us back to the promised land. If Romeo had better players around him, his 16 points would have been acceptable, as they would any other freshman with that average. With the players not performing well as a team, fans didn't cut Romeo any slack, especially knowing it would be a one-and-done deal. IU fans are a surly bunch...have been since losing the consistency of Knight, the edge he had over other teams for so many of his years here.

Regarding Hartman, I like the kid and never had any complaints about him. I think he gave it his all. He was never expected to be a star, just a roll player, unlike Romeo.

I've always wondered if players read Peegs.com and/or Hoosier.com and how tough it must be to take, if they do. The same goes for their parents...how they must feel, knowing how much their kid has sacrificed all his life for this "moment". That said, it's not any different here than it is any place else of higher caliber basketball tradition. To think it is any worse at IU because Indiana fans are more knowledgeable about basketball is delusional. Basketball is not rocket scientists (sic). It's a recreational game, a battle of physical and mental talent designed to entertain us. For mere fans watching, it accelerates the flow of adrenaline...endorphins, if you will, which stimulates us to newer heights, much like the orgiastic rhythms experienced during a rainy night in Spring with the windows open.

The farther I get away from the coaching days of Bob Knight, the more I realize I just need to let the game unfold as it be, that whatever will be, will be. Why is this so very difficult? It must go back to childhood...my brother and I sitting on the living room floor with our folks behind us, watching the final years of Branch McCracken's 'Hurry'n Hoosiers". It was intense even back then. It must have been that adrenaline rush I enjoyed so much, that stimulation that elevated me above the more mundane existence of just growing up, the days before the nights filled with inklings of desire, unfulfilled.

~Mindless thoughts of 20 Spring Quarantine 20~
aka, The Daze of Lockdown

That made me smile and made this bong hit that much more enjoyable. Thank you.
 
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Because your takes are preposterous and astoundingly bad.

You lost any and all credibility when you called Collin Hartman "soft". You're talking about a guy who suffered multiple season ending injuries, a guy who gave effort every time he was on the court, was asked to play out of position multiple times, did all the dirty work, and most importantly was a leading voice both on the court and in the locker room. Hartman could have very easily mailed it in due to all his injuries or could have grad transferred out of the program during the coaching change. Yet he didn't and gutted it out, that's not "soft" by any means. He's the epitome of a team player and what it means to play for IU. I wish IU had 13 Collin Hartman's on their roster every year.

Your comments about Romeo don't even deserve a response. Bad at basketball? It doesn't even warrant discussion.

I am going to have to dispute your take here...

He lost all credibility when he called Colin, "Fartman" like a little 10 year old.
 
While I agree with the basic gist of what Collin's saying, it doesn't get anybody off the hook -- not the players and certainly not the coaching staff.

He's undeniably right that virtually none of the critics (or the non-critics, for that matter) played the game at the college level. I'd guess that relatively few even played it at the high school level. And I don't think it serves a player's or coach's interest to pay any attention to the technical criticisms of people who couldn't come anywhere close to doing what they do better than they do it.

I'm not a very good golfer. Take a hundred people who play somewhat regularly, and I'm probably around or near the median handicap. Far be it for me as an avid fan of the Masters to tell Jordan Spieth why he infamously put two in the drink on the 12th at Augusta to card a quadruple bogey after leading by 5 on Sunday afternoon or what he could do to avoid ever doing it again.

I'm not qualified to give him that kind of advice. He is not only a much, much better golfer than I am in any circumstance, he also knows what it's like to play it on a Sunday at Augusta. Of course he shouldn't listen to any critic other than those who actually have that rare sort of credibility. If Nicklaus offered him something, I'm sure he'd listen -- and with good reason. Me and millions more like me, not so much.

But that doesn't mean it wasn't easy for me to see -- and say -- that he blew it.

To that extent, Collin is right. But that doesn't mean that fans (or boosters) who couldn't play or coach basketball or any other sports as well as the guys who do it should just write their annual checks, buy their season tickets, hotdogs, and team swag, and shut their pieholes when their favorite teams are producing poor or middling results.

I've become pretty critical of Archie Miller. That's not because I think I'm better qualified than he is to, say, design and execute a half-court offense or determine optimum player rotations. It's because it's his job to produce results at a level we can and should expect -- or at least demonstrate sufficient progress towards that goal in a reasonable amount of time.

And I don't think he has. Him saying "you couldn't do it any better, Mr. Armchair Quarterback" would obviously be correct. But, then, I never applied for his job and wouldn't have been hired if I had.

While I don't necessarily agree with your thoughts on Miller's progress, this may be the most rational post I have seen on this board in maybe 10 years...

and as such, it has no place here anymore ;)
 
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well I hate participation trophies. Collin sucked at basketball. He made countless mental stupid mistakes. He was an awful shooter, and a horrendous defender. Romeo was the worst 3 point shooter statistically in the history of IU. We didn’t make the tourney hartmans last year or romeos one year. They were failure season and underachieving, just like both of those basketball players.

mentally Hartman is soft as a grape. He thought about quitting but mommy and daddy wouldn’t let him. Hell he wasn’t going to play for crean his last year, which I can’t really blame, but another sign of a mentally weak individual. Soft as hell.

He didn’t think about quitting, he thought about transferring somewhere with less unreasonable fans. You call him soft, I’d bet a big talker like you couldn’t have fought through half the shit he did. You wanna argue about skill, ok, but to call him soft is stupid. Almost as dumb as your insistence in picking out one aspect of Romeo’s game to zero in on & presume to be smarter than all of the scouts in the NBA. You really are a tool...
 
Genuine question, do you feel the same way about Eric Gordon? He too played at IU for one year, didn't leave a lasting impact, played for a program riddled with scandal yet is universally loved by just about every IU fan I know? I don't get the angst many have towards Romeo? Did people really expect him to stick around all 4 years? Did you really expect him to put IU on his back and take them to a F4? Hell the top two players in Romeo's class (Zion and Barrett) couldn't even do that at Duke.

Reality is that Romeo didn't play on a very good IU team. After you got past Juwan Morgan and Romeo, not only the talent, but the experience level dropped off significantly. Coupled that with a team still trying to find their way with a second year coach implementing a completely new system and a lot of key injuries during crucial parts of the season, you saw the result. Obviously missing the tournament was frustrating and should have never have happened, but think it's entirely ridiculous to pit IU's struggles on Romeo. He has become the scapegoat for that season. And that's exactly what Collin Hartman is echoing in his interview.

I do not feel the same about Gordon. I thought Gordon had every reason to leave and he was a big time player and a big time winner. I still think that about him.

I do not blame Romeo for being a freshman or for being injured or being human. I didn't expect him to be the vocal leader or be the most consistent every game. I don't blame him for anything other than possibly skipping the NIT and leaving his team behind. And I don't even know if that is true. But his legacy as a Hoosier is really low on the list despite the immense talent he had. Romeo left without really scratching the surface of the player he could have become at IU.

Romeo at IU was about like what Ricky Davis was to Iowa.
 
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Unfortunately, based on pictures, he has Danny DeVito’s body...
He didn’t think about quitting, he thought about transferring somewhere with less unreasonable fans. You call him soft, I’d bet a big talker like you couldn’t have fought through half the shit he did. You wanna argue about skill, ok, but to call him soft is stupid. Almost as dumb as your insistence in picking out one aspect of Romeo’s game to zero in on & presume to be smarter than all of the scouts in the NBA. You really are a tool...

He thought about quitting 100% Archie’s first year, and said he would not have played if crean was the coach.

How about romeo did not give 100% effort, he jogged back on defense constantly. He routinely went into the corner on offense and just stood there for multiple Seconds. You think that was part of Archie’s offense? I never heard of him putting in extra work getting better, hell I’ve heard more about AL’s work ethic. But let’s be real romeo was no vic, not in the same ballpark work ethic wise.

Danny d huh? He is fat and small I’m just 5’9. If you would like, I’ll whoop your ass in any athletic competition. You can choose. I’d like to box tho. Let me know fruit cake!
 
IU fans are largely clowns. They put unrealistic expectations on kids all the time. Romeo was just the latest victim. If they’re not National POY and win a title then they’re a bust.

Meanwhile they’ll give average coaches 10 year passes before seeing the light. It’s embarrassing really. It’s hard to even tell people you’re an IU fan these days because people associate you with all the clowns.

I am really concerned about your mental state and the embarrassment inflicted on you so...

I think you should, I urge you to, I BEG you to find another school to root for, another team follow, another board to be a dick on.

TIA.
 
He thought about quitting 100% Archie’s first year, and said he would not have played if crean was the coach.

How about romeo did not give 100% effort, he jogged back on defense constantly. He routinely went into the corner on offense and just stood there for multiple Seconds. You think that was part of Archie’s offense? I never heard of him putting in extra work getting better, hell I’ve heard more about AL’s work ethic. But let’s be real romeo was no vic, not in the same ballpark work ethic wise.

Danny d huh? He is fat and small I’m just 5’9. If you would like, I’ll whoop your ass in any athletic competition. You can choose. I’d like to box tho. Let me know fruit cake!

So just a mental midget then...carry on, internet tough guy :rolleyes:
 
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So just a mental midget then...carry on, internet tough guy :rolleyes:

Saying I will whoop your ass in real life is the exact opposite of internet tough guy. You, pussy cat are the internet tough guy. We can have sports for everyone on this board. I’ll tape me beating the pulp out of you. You game internet tough guy? Or you can just carry on being a lil bitch hiding behind your keyboard. I don’t hide :).
 
He didn’t think about quitting, he thought about transferring somewhere with less unreasonable fans. You call him soft, I’d bet a big talker like you couldn’t have fought through half the shit he did. You wanna argue about skill, ok, but to call him soft is stupid. Almost as dumb as your insistence in picking out one aspect of Romeo’s game to zero in on & presume to be smarter than all of the scouts in the NBA. You really are a tool...

And again, my point is, while rabid and loyal, I think IU fans are actually very reasonable. AH is still sold out for most big games, despite almost 20 years of mostly mediocre bball. I went to an IU UNC game at the Dean Dome, after a 2 year swoon and it was 70% full. Attendance at Mackey had fallen to around 7-8K and they cancelled Midnight Madness during their swoon. I don't think any other program would have maintained the support IU has through the last 2 decades. So, yeah, there's a downside to it and some "fans", short for fanatics, who go overboard, but go play at UK and see what unreasonable fans are. Of course, he could have always transferred or signed with S Miss to play bball... but then he wouldn't be capitalizing on his affiliation with a huge twitter following, to land jobs, radio interviews and talk on message boards from Southern Miss, now would he?
 
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And again, my point is, while rabid and loyal, I think IU fans are actually very reasonable. AH is still sold out for most big games, despite almost 20 years of mostly mediocre bball. I went to an IU UNC game at the Dean Dome, after a 2 year swoon and it was 70% full. Attendance at Mackey had fallen to around 7-8K and they cancelled Midnight Madness during their swoon. I don't think any other program would have maintained the support IU has through the last 2 decades. So, yeah, there's a downside to it and some "fans", short for fanatics, who go overboard, but go play at UK and see what unreasonable fans are. Of course, he could have always transferred or signed with S Miss to play bball... but then he wouldn't be capitalizing on his affiliation with a huge twitter following, to land jobs, radio interviews and talk on message boards from Southern Miss, now would he?

No chance in hell I’d hire him after reading those quotes. That attitude does not get it done in the real world. If this was a guy from UK and said the same shit, 95% of this board would rip him and say he’s a whiner. Since he went to IU tho, people think man what a warrior he was for sticking it out. Give me a break. Dudes soft as a grape.
 
He's exactly the kind of guy Hartman was talking about. He's the kind of guy that stalked and tweeted at Romeo while in high school begging him to attend IU. He's the kind of guy that showed up at his announcement ceremony and waited in line to take a picture and receive and autograph so one day he could tell all his friends how they were "boyz". And he's most definitely the type of guy who completely gaslighted Romeo because he feels entitled to IU's success.

He's the jack of all trades. A grade A tool bag.

missed this gem yesterday. I have tweeted at one HS prospect to come to IU, Christians brother. Only reason is because I actually met him and remember him eating nachos at the hall with cheese all Over his face.

I never follow Hs players, just read about them and if they commit to IU then I will start watching YouTube clips. TJD romeo and lander I never saw any tape in until they committed to IU.

any grown man that stands in line to get an autograph of a HS has problems. I’ll take a selfie with a former player if they are sitting courtside next to me like TB was at the Maryland game this year. I was friends with Hulls older brother so got some inside access when jordy was here to take pics and meet those players, but hell they were only 4-5 years younger than me at the time. I actually took a class with the ex north basketball coach, history of Indiana basketball, had the entire team in class with me. Elston, t pritch, hulls, creek, Bobby cappppppooabionko.

so any other made up shit you would like to talk about me?
 
Well that's not hard to do seeing as I currently don't make any money.

I'm retired.

ahh gotcha. So I’m arguing with a 75 year old. Thank you for the info. Now I will be much nicer to you, and treat you like org.
 
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